United to introduce a wage structure capped at 200k per week

[Revan]

I think it is a totally terrible idea. Our problem was paying over odds for average players (or even bad ones), not a wage cap. Even with the wage cap, we would still be overpaying in Maguire, Shaw, Williams etc. And for those we overpaid above the wage cap, there was no need to give 350k to Sancho, 250k to Martial, or pay De Gea twice as much as the next highest paid keeper.

We should consider salaries in individual basis. If we can sign Mbappe and pay him 600k/week, so be it. But that doesn't mean that we should pay Fred or Lindelof 120k/week, or Jones 75k/week (when we could have had a pay as you play) or 90k/week to AWB, or 120k to Henderson.

 

[acnumber9]

So again - I didn’t say you can’t. You giving me an outlier makes no odds to me. And actually telling me hazard is on shit tons more than anyone else proves my point - he shouldn’t be. Neither should Bale. I’m not saying you shouldn’t pay big money - I’m saying if I’m building a team first ethos where no player is bigger than the club signing Kylian mbappe for 800k a week when the next highest earner is on 250k a week isn’t something I would be doing.

It’s not an outlier. Every top team in the world always has and always will have players earning way more than others in their squads. It hasn’t proven your point at all because it’s evidence you can build a successful and harmonious team while paying players hugely different salaries.

You made two points. One was that paying huge salaries isn’t the way to build a team. You’ve been proven wrong. Two was that you shouldn’t pay anyone double what you pay somebody else. When it was pointed out that was fecking stupid, you claimed you didn’t say it. You’ve had a mare.

 

[wangyu]

Good news but we’re also going to be less competitive in the market now. We have a hard time signing world class players without wage cap so it will be even harder with one.

 

[Dannn411]

While the spirit of the initiative is good, I find it difficult to see how they will implement this in practice. You are essentially cutting yourself off from access to the very top players should they become available. It's also going to be difficult to keep the very best players already in the team when its time for them to renew.

In my opinion the problem is not with compensation for the very top players, it is with the rest of the squad who are paid like star players without anywhere near the same pevel of output. For those guys, even £200k is too much. But for the true superstars, you'll surely have to give some concession. Players below absolute top class level should have their salaries pegged to market at the maximum.

 

[justsomebloke]

You shouldn’t have a player on a team earning more than twice anyone else in my opinion - completely against the notion of building a team. If that means we don’t sign mbappe then so be it.

In that case, you're not going to be a competitive top team. It's as simple as that.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Good news but we’re also going to be less competitive in the market now. We have a hard time signing world class players without wage cap so it will be even harder with one.

Time to look for value in the market.

 

[devilish]

I cannot believe anyone believe this lie. There is no way we will change any policies now that we are on the verge of being sold

 

[acnumber9]

The 25% cut was for last season. Casemiro was not at the club. It’s clear his contract is heavily incentivised though as per the

You’re nit picking.

The point is the club has been doing this (rightly so in my opinion) for some time.

it will still compete for top players and they will still get big money.

The article you are relying on says his wage will drop to 202k if he doesn’t achieve objectives. That being qualifying for the Champions League. For his wage to drop, it has to already be higher. So £270k base and it drops 25% if we don’t qualify for the Champions League. Which disproves your theory that £200k attracted Casemiro.

You’re right, the club has had the 25% cut for some time. That didn’t stop us paying Ronaldo 500k a week. It is not the same as a cap on base salary. A cap on base salary of 200k would see players wages drop to 150k if they don’t qualify for the Champions League. Top players won’t sign for that. Signing Casemiro and paying him £270k obviously isn’t evidence of being able to attract top players with a £200k cap.

 

[Lee565]

If this is a decision coming from ten hag then I can trust in it but if this is coming from those above him then they can go do one, the owners have milked the club enough already and drastically held us back for well over a decade, let's not forget the complete lack of spending for about 5 or 6 years post selling ronaldo for 80 million and left our squad a state that only a manager like fergie could still be successful with.

 

[Leftback99]

What? So if, just for example, Betis gives Rashford £800k/week we should to?

£200k/week is more than enough for players. I would even go less. They are not doctors. They are just players. I know how this business works so we don’t have to discuss that. Just simply pointing out that complaining about £200k a week is ridiculous.

Eh?

 

[NoLogo]

Good news but we’re also going to be less competitive in the market now. We have a hard time signing world class players without wage cap so it will be even harder with one.

Well if it's true that the senior players like Cas, Bruno, Varane and others are all on 200k pw I don't think it's going to be too much of a problem. And let's not kid ourselves, we are not going to sign Mbappé he is on € 1M a week, no way we are going to match that, even without the new wage structure in place.

 

[TheReligion]

The article you are relying on says his wage will drop to 202k if he doesn’t achieve objectives. That being qualifying for the Champions League. For his wage to drop, it has to already be higher. So £270k base and it drops 25% if we don’t qualify for the Champions League. Which disproves your theory that £200k attracted Casemiro.

You’re right, the club has had the 25% cut for some time. That didn’t stop us paying Ronaldo 500k a week. It is not the same as a cap on base salary. A cap on base salary of 200k would see players wages drop to 150k if they don’t qualify for the Champions League. Top players won’t sign for that.

I didn’t say 200k attracted Casemiro I said a heavily incentivised contract did.

I think you’re taking each thing far too literally.

The club seem to have already moved towards incentives hence the reductions in salary this season. This is old news.

Casemiro has signed for United on a contract which is heavily incentivised. If we don’t hit targets he’ll be paid around the same he got at Real.

This article is rightly or wrongly putting a 200k figure on a cap. A cap which will be the base rate, or there abouts, the club will pay.

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

Interesting. I like this within the current squad. But will this play impact on attracting players in the future? Perhaps losing out because another team pays more?

Not that I want players coming here for money. I actually like this move. It would work even better if we begin putting in place proper football structure and strategies within the club. A welcome move.


With all that being said.. the money in football is absurd

Outside of us, most top teams don't pay the £300-500k PW.

 

[rimaldo]

there’s a lot of over reaction. all the club is saying is that everyone, from the youth team to our first team superstars, will get 200k per week, so no one can complain someone else is paid more than them.

 

[macheda14]

Yep, and have a shit ton of bonuses for goals, clean sheets etc. Play better, make more money.

Yeh I was watching an interview with Ben Foster and he was saying every player gets appearance bonuses. Which I had no idea about. Obviously there are the other bonuses we hear about. But every player in the league gets a bonus just for getting on the pitch.

 

[Member 125288]

I don’t understand why some of you are having such a hard time understanding what this means.

The suggested cap is for base salary not gross pay. I’ve seen websites quoting for example Casemiro is being paid £300k p/w gross, it’s entirely possible that his base salary is £200k p/w and the remaining £100k is comprised incentives, bonuses, maybe even image rights, etc.

Also let’s not forget we can take someone like Varane or Casemiro from Spain, and pay them the same or even less gross pay than they were on there, and they will still earn more due to different tax laws.

None of this precludes us from signing top talent on big money, it just means the more you get paid, the less that amount comprises salary and the more it comprises bonuses, incentives and other income.

 

[TheReligion]

Outside of us, most top teams don't pay the £300-500k PW.

They do.

City have KdB on 400k, Haaland 375, Grealish 300

Chelsea have Sterling 325, Koulibaly 300k, Kante 300

Liverpool have Salah 350 etc

 

[rimaldo]

I don’t think you follow

There’s a base rate, say 200k max, then the rest of the deal is bumped up with add ons to encourage good team and personal performance

yep. we give them 200k per week basic, and then an extra 20k for a monday, extra 20k for a tuesday, 20k for a wednesday and so on.

 

[TheReligion]

I don’t understand why some of you are having such a hard time understanding what this means.

The suggested cap is for base salary not gross pay. I’ve seen websites quoting for example Casemiro is being paid £300k p/w gross, it’s entirely possible that his base salary is £200k p/w and the remaining £100k is comprised incentives, bonuses, maybe even image rights, etc.

Also let’s not forget we can take someone like Varane or Casemiro from Spain, and pay them the same or even less gross pay than they were on there, and they will still earn more due to different tax laws.

None of this precludes us from signing top talent on big money, it just means the more you get paid, the less that amount comprises salary and the more it comprises bonuses, incentives and other income.

This poster gets it!

 

[TheReligion]

yep. we give them 200k per week basic, and then an extra 20k for a monday, extra 20k for a tuesday, 20k for a wednesday and so on.

Murtough and Arnold call it the ‘Craig David Payscale’

 

[90 + 5min]

Eh?

You wrote:

Exactly so Rashford in current form isn't going to sign for £200k a week again.

It seems pretty simple to me, just pay players what they could get elsewhere at the most. Too many of our squad players are on ridiculous contracts hence our issues with selling for reasonable fees.

Did I missunderstod something?

 

[Wilt]

About fecking time!

No more mercenaries, just top footballers who want to play for Manchester United.

 

[Member 125288]

Murtough and Arnold call it the ‘Craig David Payscale’

 

[Leftback99]

You wrote:



Did I missunderstod something?

You've made up an imaginary scenario where obviously we'd say "thanks and good luck at your new club".

We have loads of players on money they'd have no chance of getting elsewhere and didn't at the time of signing their contracts.

 

[OrcaFat]

The 25% cut was for last season. Casemiro was not at the club. It’s clear his contract is heavily incentivised though as per the

You’re nit picking.

The point is the club has been doing this (rightly so in my opinion) for some time.

it will still compete for top players and they will still get big money.

The club and probably every club has players in incentivised contracts. I don’t remember a time when that wasn’t the case.

The question is whether there is (or will be) a new (lower) limit that will “prevent” the club from offering competitive salaries to the best players. A guaranteed base salary is an important part of the package because the incentives part is to a large degree outside of the player’s control.

 

[LARulz]

The fact is, if you're winning trophies, the vast majority of players wont leave, we've so many examples of that down the years in great sides.

Dortmund lose players because they dont win major trophies. Players have to leave to make the next step.

But what makes us, in this case, more likely to win trophies when we have so much competition within our league. It's good in practice but players are still going to look at their best offer and go there - unless we are dominating the league or they are United fans, they will have no qualms going to our rivals who offer a bit more

 

[redsunited]

This is the very reason Ronaldo left first time and Rooney transfer sagas happened. Also the reason many top players who moved clubs didn't choose united in glazers ownership of SAF years.

De Gea and Sancho are overpaid but 200k limit for all players means we couldn't have brought Varane/Casemiro.

 

[Member 125288]

De Gea and Sancho are overpaid but 200k limit for all players means we couldn't have brought Varane/Casemiro.

It’s a base salary limit, not a pay limit. Huge difference

 

[90 + 5min]

You've made up an imaginary scenario where obviously we'd say "thanks and good luck at your new club".

We have loads of players on money they'd have no chance of getting elsewhere and didn't at the time of signing their contracts.

Agree. That is why we need a system where it says "this is what you get". Past mistakes should not be futures mistakes.

 

[UnitedSofa]

If this is a decision coming from ten hag then I can trust in it but if this is coming from those above him then they can go do one, the owners have milked the club enough already and drastically held us back for well over a decade, let's not forget the complete lack of spending for about 5 or 6 years post selling ronaldo for 80 million and left our squad a state that only a manager like fergie could still be successful with.

Won’t be from the owners when they’re actively trying to sell

 

[JPRouve]

This is the very reason Ronaldo left first time and Rooney transfer sagas happened. Also the reason many top players who moved clubs didn't choose united in glazers ownership of SAF years.

De Gea and Sancho are overpaid but 200k limit for all players means we couldn't have brought Varane/Casemiro.

It's only during Glazers ownership that United loosened their wage policy and wages increased drastically during that period. Under the Glazers I don't remember a single top player that we missed due to wage. It happened before it though.

 

[Andre Kagawa]

Are we becoming cheapskates

 

[arthurka]

Are we becoming cheapskates

We are skint there is a difference.

 

[Eli Zee]

Long time coming. I always hated how much we paid for our players. One thing signing the likes of Casemiro and Varane and offering them better terms to leave their better teams. Giving players from less prestigious clubs/leagues 3/4x what they were earning should never be acceptable. The appeal of this club should be enough to get us favorable terms. Cap salaries at 2X current for players coming from Clubs outside the top 5, especially when their club's isn't a big one.

You don't cap people's salary based on their previous salary... they have value and should be paid accordingly.

 

[bubbles_]

Surely just some bollocks that means people will be there paid the rest of their wages in some sort of dodgy way. City have been good at having phony wages for years. Middle Eastern ownership here we come..

otherwise, it would be like when the PL changed their transfer window to be earlier than other leagues then scrapped it when they couldn’t compete.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

It does make sense, nobody at the club should be earning an eye watering amount until they start winning trophies again.

One thing I don't understand though, won't new owners instill their own salary range?

 

[Arruda]

Sounds the right thing to do, but won't this really hamper your club if you are the first to do it? This would be great if the big clubs in the Premiership collectively agreed to. It would raise football's image tremendously at these hard times.

 

[JPRouve]

Not sure why everyone thinks this is a good idea

It’s a terrible idea obviously

Doubt it’s true to be honest

There is little chance that it's true and it is indeed a dumbass idea. The idea only makes sense if you are exclusively targetting players that are in a wage market that is under 200k and if you have no intention to keep players that reach a market that is above it while they are at the club.

Also Footballers are professionals, like everyone else they have little reason to accept a wage that is below market. And the absolutely asinine idea that they should forfeit money due to wanting to play for United has to stop, clubs seldomly overpay a player on purpose just because they like him, they don't give you extra money for the sake of it, they will also underpay you if you give them the opportunity.

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

They do.

City have KdB on 400k, Haaland 375, Grealish 300

Chelsea have Sterling 325, Koulibaly 300k, Kante 300

Liverpool have Salah 350 etc

That's three players at City after massive sustained success. Liverpool wouldn't give Mane over £250k PW so he left. Chelsea again, it's three players. It's unsustainable really

 

[elmo]

There is little chance that it's true and it is indeed a dumbass idea. The idea only makes sense if you are exclusively targetting players that are in a wage market that is under 200k and if you have no intention to keep players that reach a market that is above it while they are at the club.

Also Footballers are professionals, like everyone else they have little reason to accept a wage that is below market. And the absolutely asinine idea that they should forfeit money due to wanting to play for United has to stop, clubs seldomly overpay a player on purpose just because they like him, they don't give you extra money for the sake of it, they will also underpay you if you give them the opportunity.

I think the main point is that the majority of our players are getting above market value wages and that’s what the club needs to fix.

Most top players just don’t earn that much more than 200k a week and for those that do, we’ll never be able to afford their transfer anyway which makes the 200k wage cap a moot point.