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Hi, would one of you be able to expand on the process it would take to bring in constitutional gun reform in the US? Genuinely interested.
Wikipedia - Article 5 should tell you what you want to know

IMO the whole constitution needs re-writing to bring it up to date with the realities of the modern world, it'll never happen of course so the needless shootings will continue
 

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One difference is that it is much harder to relocate from (for example) Bulgaria to Denmark, than to relocate from New Jersey to Arizona. This is one of the great freedoms in the USA.
I can't even begin to figure out what this is supposed to mean. One the great freedoms of the USA is that... they have cities?
 

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I can't even begin to figure out what this is supposed to mean. One the great freedoms of the USA is that... they have cities?
I think what @frostbite is saying is that the size and diversity (geographic/demographic/etc.) of the US allows for people to find their niche should they want to.

I don't necessarily agree with this thought, as no one should ever have to move cites, much less states, to feel accepted and safe. Equal protection should be equal everywhere, and the fact its not is a detriment, not a bonus.
 

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Like I said before, the most aggravating thing about all this is the way some people try to justify it. "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." How fecking stupid. People do kill people but with guns that makes it fatal. Some are even comparing the amount of people getting stabbed in the UK to those being shot in the US.

People aren't stabbing children though are they? A large part of the population here have been totally brainwashed and they value their guns more than lives. This is it, nothing is changing because nobody in power cares enough to make a change. As long as their campaigns are being funded then Americans can keep dying. We're all disposable in their eyes. Collateral damage.
 

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Like I said before, the most aggravating thing about all this is the way some people try to justify it. "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." How fecking stupid. People do kill people but with guns that makes it fatal. Some are even comparing the amount of people getting stabbed in the UK to those being shot in the US.

People aren't stabbing children though are they? A large part of the population here have been totally brainwashed and they value their guns more than lives. This is it, nothing is changing because nobody in power cares enough to make a change. As long as their campaigns are being funded then Americans can keep dying. We're all disposable in their eyes. Collateral damage.
Yes, but I think you are giving people too much credit by calling the brainwashed. Most are just apathetic and selfish while some revel in the potential violence they hold in their hand. It may be a right, thanks to an archaic document, but just because you can do something does not mean you should.
 

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Like I said before, the most aggravating thing about all this is the way some people try to justify it. "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." How fecking stupid. People do kill people but with guns that makes it fatal. Some are even comparing the amount of people getting stabbed in the UK to those being shot in the US.

People aren't stabbing children though are they? A large part of the population here have been totally brainwashed and they value their guns more than lives. This is it, nothing is changing because nobody in power cares enough to make a change. As long as their campaigns are being funded then Americans can keep dying. We're all disposable in their eyes. Collateral damage.
Not to be an asshole but, the guns don’t make the people killing fatal… the killing makes it fatal :).

Yes I know what you were trying to say!

In terms of stabbing in London and the UK, it’s also really important to note that typically knife crime is as a direct result of other criminal activity - gangs, drugs, etc. This is quite different to the US where deaths from gun crime, at least perceptively (I have no idea about factually), seem to not have a similar context in the round.
 

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I think what @frostbite is saying is that the size and diversity (geographic/demographic/etc.) of the US allows for people to find their niche should they want to.
They were making a comparison between Europe and the U.S. It's just a trivial point, of course it is easier to move within a country than between countries (even those that have an economic union).
 

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True gun reform would likely require the repealing of the second amendment. I believe this because any gun legislation would be open to being voided by a conservative court at any time due to being in violation of the 2nd.

As for the process, it will be almost impossible. Only one amendment, the 18th, has ever been "repealed". That amendment banned alcohol, so repealing it was popular with the voting public. The process to repeal that amendment was the adoption of a new amendment, the 21st. Even that was a close thing as it was ratified by the minimum number of states needed to do so (75%). 2 states (the carolina's....shocking) refused to ratify and 8 refused to even have a vote.

Twenty-first Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia
Wikipedia - Article 5 should tell you what you want to know

IMO the whole constitution needs re-writing to bring it up to date with the realities of the modern world, it'll never happen of course so the needless shootings will continue
Many thanks for this. Seems like a near impossible task to get 75% of the states to agree on something like gun reform. Can individual states however have their own policy on gun reform such as outright ban on ownership or is that not possible since it’s constitutionally enshrined? If so, would a move away from central government be possible some decades down the line?
 

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Many thanks for this. Seems like a near impossible task to get 75% of the states to agree on something like gun reform. Can individual states however have their own policy on gun reform such as outright ban on ownership or is that not possible since it’s constitutionally enshrined? If so, would a move away from central government be possible some decades down the line?
No state could ban it because of the constitution, the central government is also enshrined in the constitution

re: the 75% - I doubt in today's polarized political climate you could ever get a constitutional amendment passed for anything, never mind guns - you only need to look at what happened with the Speaker's election in the House to see that and they were from the same party!
 

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I think what @frostbite is saying is that the size and diversity (geographic/demographic/etc.) of the US allows for people to find their niche should they want to.

I don't necessarily agree with this thought, as no one should ever have to move cites, much less states, to feel accepted and safe. Equal protection should be equal everywhere, and the fact its not is a detriment, not a bonus.
Yes, this and a lot more. For example, I don't like cold weather. I couldn't live in Chicago. Other people love snow, I have a friend who moved to Bozeman, Montana, I wouldn't even consider this!

Also, the vast choice of jobs. Any field you like, no matter how specialized it is. And there are always opportunities if you seek them. You don't have to be an "insider", you don't need to depend on family or friends or politicians to help you get through the door.

Also, the opportunities as an immigrant. I have never felt that people were not fair to me just because I was not born here.

Also, the incredible array of educational opportunities. I know a woman from Greece who started Community College at 45, and found a job in her new field at 48. Not to mention that Community College was practically free. And she worked at a store during her studies. The whole thing is unthinkable in Greece, you cannot find your first office job at 48, and if you are an immigrant... forget it!

Also, the freedom to move in general. I have a friend, also from Greece, who gets bored in the same job and the same place after two or three years. He never had a problem switching jobs. He is a computer programmer, and this obviously is not for everyone, but he loves it. He has lived in many places in the US. He loves this freedom.
 

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Yes, this and a lot more. For example, I don't like cold weather. I couldn't live in Chicago. Other people love snow, I have a friend who moved to Bozeman, Montana, I wouldn't even consider this!

Also, the vast choice of jobs. Any field you like, no matter how specialized it is. And there are always opportunities if you seek them. You don't have to be an "insider", you don't need to depend on family or friends or politicians to help you get through the door.

Also, the opportunities as an immigrant. I have never felt that people were not fair to me just because I was not born here.

Also, the incredible array of educational opportunities. I know a woman from Greece who started Community College at 45, and found a job in her new field at 48. Not to mention that Community College was practically free. And she worked at a store during her studies. The whole thing is unthinkable in Greece, you cannot find your first office job at 48, and if you are an immigrant... forget it!

Also, the freedom to move in general. I have a friend who gets bored in the same job and the same place after two or three years. He never had a problem switching jobs. He is a computer programmer, and this obviously is not for everyone, but he loves it. He has lived in many places in the US. He loves this freedom.
You can do all of this in Schengen.
 

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Yes, this and a lot more. For example, I don't like cold weather. I couldn't live in Chicago. Other people love snow, I have a friend who moved to Bozeman, Montana, I wouldn't even consider this!

Also, the vast choice of jobs. Any field you like, no matter how specialized it is. And there are always opportunities if you seek them. You don't have to be an "insider", you don't need to depend on family or friends or politicians to help you get through the door.

Also, the opportunities as an immigrant. I have never felt that people were not fair to me just because I was not born here.

Also, the incredible array of educational opportunities. I know a woman from Greece who started Community College at 45, and found a job in her new field at 48. Not to mention that Community College was practically free. And she worked at a store during her studies. The whole thing is unthinkable in Greece, you cannot find your first office job at 48, and if you are an immigrant... forget it!

Also, the freedom to move in general. I have a friend, also from Greece, who gets bored in the same job and the same place after two or three years. He never had a problem switching jobs. He is a computer programmer, and this obviously is not for everyone, but he loves it. He has lived in many places in the US. He loves this freedom.
Given this winter, is there anywhere in the US that would suit :D
 

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You can do all of this in Schengen.
Theoretically, yes. In practice, no.

A Bulgarian that I know feels much less discriminated against in the USA than in Denmark. Well, I lived more than half of my life in Greece, and last summer I stayed for two months in Greece, and I felt more discriminated against in Greece than in the USA, just because I immigrated away! Somehow, I became a foreigner!

And try to get your first office job aged 48, in Greece. It is impossible, even if you were born and raised there (except if you have family that will hire you).
 

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I grew up there, trust me, Manchester rain is tame compared with over here in the US
Manchester rain’s a veritable mist compared to what San Fran & surrounding environs are experiencing. I was living in SF in 1998 when a bomb cyclone stayed over the Bay Area & it was absolutely hellacious.
 

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Manchester rain’s a veritable mist compared to what San Fran & surrounding environs are experiencing. I was living in SF in 1998 when a bomb cyclone stayed over the Bay Area & it was absolutely hellacious.
Not just San Fran, in the midwest it tends to be bursts of short storms and like standing under Niagara falls!
 

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Even today, you cannot argue with them that Cuba is a failed state. All those people need to find something to reinforce their views, so they magnify every negative story from America. And focus on the negatives only. If you talk to them they will tell you that life in America is terrible and the health system is terrible and the health system in Cuba is wonderful. It is funny that some of them have immigrated to America but none of them have immigrated to Cuba!
Did you know there's a US embargo of Cuba responsible for much of it's suffering, and that US citizens officially aren't supposed to go there unless there's an extenuating reason, of which emigration is not one?
 

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Obama relaxed the rules on Cuba and Trump put them back, I'm a little surprised Biden hasn't done much on that
 

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Theoretically, yes. In practice, no.

A Bulgarian that I know feels much less discriminated against in the USA than in Denmark. Well, I lived more than half of my life in Greece, and last summer I stayed for two months in Greece, and I felt more discriminated against in Greece than in the USA, just because I immigrated away! Somehow, I became a foreigner!

And try to get your first office job aged 48, in Greece. It is impossible, even if you were born and raised there (except if you have family that will hire you).
Bulgaria isn't in Schengen, so it doesn't really apply. I'm not sure it's easier for a Bulgarian to immigrate to the US than into a Schengen country, but I don't know. Greece might not be the best example either, since it's not exactly the healthiest economy in Europe. But I'm sure a 48 year old Greek could get their first office job in Norway, if they had any kind of qualifications (which they could get for free at a Norwegian university, if they managed to get in, at least up until now).
 

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Schengen is irrelevant, Bulgaria ia a member of the EU and it's citizens have the right to live and work in any EU country, Schengen is just a block which allows members to move freely without identity checks etc
 
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I lived more than half of my life in Greece, and last summer I stayed for two months in Greece, and I felt more discriminated against in Greece than in the USA, just because I immigrated away! Somehow, I became a foreigner!
Interesting. My son has just moved to Athens to play his sport and has had no issues at all so far - in fact the opposite. Then again as he doesn't speak Greek he may not notice some things and as he plays or trains almost constantly he is mainly interacting with people who have a self-interest in him feeling welcomed.
 

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That’s true about lack of storage of guns, when my kids were little I bought a safe for all my guns including a small fast open safe for my handgun. They should make parents responsible for any shooting if the gun wasn’t in a safe.
The law variation from state to state is ridiculous, there's a few simple measures that could e made that nobody could say were controversial (but will) - as for parents, lock them up and throw the key away, there is no possible excuse for allowing a child to get hold of your gun!
 

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The law variation from state to state is ridiculous, there's a few simple measures that could e made that nobody could say were controversial (but will) - as for parents, lock them up and throw the key away, there is no possible excuse for allowing a child to get hold of your gun!
Specially after all this shootings and kids with a copy cat mentality or been bullied at school keeping guns in a safe is a must. My safe didn’t need a key to open since used biometric locks and wasn’t that expensive so is not an excuse.
 

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They probably saved the boy's life though, by not calling the police.
 

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As an immigrant, I think that America is the greatest country in the world, at least from 1940 to today, and Americans should be really proud of their country. That's why so many people from other countries want to immigrate here.

Yes, there are problems, and yes, some countries in Europe are equally good, but there is no other country that is better. And of course, even in those countries, there are good areas and bad, as in the States. Obviously, a small country like Denmark is more homogeneous than a huge country like USA. One difference is that it is much harder to relocate from (for example) Bulgaria to Denmark, than to relocate from New Jersey to Arizona. This is one of the great freedoms in the USA: if you try a little, and you are not afraid to search, you can find a place and a job you really like, and you are still inside the same country.

There is a lot of anti-Americanism in many parts of the world. Some of it is paid for by particular interests, for example Russia. Some other is ideological. And some other is simply out of jealousness. For example, in Greece there are (today!) a lot of communists who hate America because they really believe (or they pretend to believe) that life in communist countries (USSR, Cuba etc) is actually better than in the States. Even today, you cannot argue with them that Cuba is a failed state. All those people need to find something to reinforce their views, so they magnify every negative story from America. And focus on the negatives only. If you talk to them they will tell you that life in America is terrible and the health system is terrible and the health system in Cuba is wonderful. It is funny that some of them have immigrated to America but none of them have immigrated to Cuba!
Awesome post, agree with every word of it.
 

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Last week, the family of the young boy said he suffered from an "acute disability" and rarely attended school without one of his parents being present. The day of the shooting he had attended school alone.

The family also praised Ms Zwerner, saying she had "worked diligently and compassionately to support our family as we sought the best education and learning environment for our son"
Sounds like pisstake. How the feck did he get hold of a gun?
 

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Sounds like pisstake. How the feck did he get hold of a gun?
Simple. People in this country view guns like most people view lawn mowers. They have no appreciation or care for the death guns deal. The lives they shatter. The bodies they decimate. The children they kill or leave parentless. Every single gun owner makes an active decision that Sandy Hook was an ok price to pay so they can live out their imaginary John Wick fantasy.