The RedCafe Boxing Thread

[Port Vale Devil]

Warrington v Lopez, he doesn't half get away with constantly using his head.

Yeah, not very often I don’t support Brits but something about him and his head butting just winds me up.

Fair play Lopez it was a close one though.

 

[Abraxas]

Crawford is such a good fighter. He needs that one stand out win like Spence on his record. But what a talent. No chinks at all.

 

[Revan]

Inoue unifies all belts, the first bantamweight to become undisputed. Should be the best P4P, right?

 

[Gentleman Jim]

Inoue unifies all belts, the first bantamweight to become undisputed. Should be the best P4P, right?

Love Inoue (saw him fight in Glasgow) but I have him behind Canelo in P4P rankings.
He dominates a weak division and if he faced Fulton or Bam Rodriguez by going up or down 3lb the result would be far from certain.

 

[Glorio]

Fury wipes the floor with Usyk. Anyone doubting that is literally insane.

It's likely he will beat Usyk, but this is a silly comment considering you haven't seen them fight. These sorts of comments are what's wrong with the world

 

[Glorio]

He already has proven it.

He hasn't though - there are belts in the division that he doesn't have.

 

[Gentleman Jim]

There’s none of the current crop of heavyweights who I would fancy to trouble Peak Ali, Holmes, Lewis or Tyson.
Given a level playing field as far as training regimes and “supplements” are concerned I would stake a lot of money on any of the above being victorious over any of Fury, Joshua, Usyk or Wilder.
Some of today‘s fighters could stand up to greats of the past but not at Heavyweight I think.
Would be interesting to know if any of the posters talking up Fury and co. were actually alive when my picks were dominating the HW scene?

 

[Kazi]

There’s none of the current crop of heavyweights who I would fancy to trouble Peak Ali, Holmes, Lewis or Tyson.
Given a level playing field as far as training regimes and “supplements” are concerned I would stake a lot of money on any of the above being victorious over any of Fury, Joshua, Usyk or Wilder.
Some of today‘s fighters could stand up to greats of the past but not at Heavyweight I think.
Would be interesting to know if any of the posters talking up Fury and co. were actually alive when my picks were dominating the HW scene?

Honestly Fury deals with Iron Mike. I know it’s an opinion which may be hard to take but putting nostalgia aside, Fury would be a comfortable favourite from a pure boxing perspective.

Given his size, you’d also have to have Fury as the slight favourite vs the GOAT. Holmes is a pick’em and I’d probably slightly favour Lennox over Fury but again there’s not much in it.

As for the others, I think Usyk has a fair chance vs Iron Mike. Otherwise I’m taking the oldies in all other match-ups.

 

[Gentleman Jim]

Honestly Fury deals with Iron Mike. I know it’s an opinion which may be hard to take but putting nostalgia aside, Fury would be a comfortable favourite from a pure boxing perspective.

Given his size, you’d also have to have Fury as the slight favourite vs the GOAT. Holmes is a pick’em and I’d probably slightly favour Lennox over Fury but again there’s not much in it.

As for the others, I think Usyk has a fair chance vs Iron Mike. Otherwise I’m taking the oldies in all other match-ups.

Can’t see how you’d take Fury over Ali.
He found a way to beat them all over a period of about 15 years. The one‘s who bested him were dispatched in rematches.
Fury has never faced anyone in the class of peak Liston, Frazier, Foreman or Norton. Shavers, Young, Terrell and Quarry would have given him a good scrap too but probably lost in the end.
I do rate Fury but the competition he’s faced leaves a lot of unanswered questions. What with the doping early in his career, the knockdowns Cunningham and Wilder inflicted on him (not to mention the long count) and the waiting out of serious rivals until they age or implode (Klitschko and Joshua) I really can’t give him the same admiration as I do Ali.

 

[Pat_Mustard]

Here's the Inoue fight for anyone that wants to watch it. Utterly dominant.

 

[Kazi]

Can’t see how you’d take Fury over Ali.
He found a way to beat them all over a period of about 15 years. The one‘s who bested him were dispatched in rematches.
Fury has never faced anyone in the class of peak Liston, Frazier, Foreman or Norton. Shavers, Young, Terrell and Quarry would have given him a good scrap too but probably lost in the end.
I do rate Fury but the competition he’s faced leaves a lot of unanswered questions. What with the doping early in his career, the knockdowns Cunningham and Wilder inflicted on him (not to mention the long count) and the waiting out of serious rivals until they age or implode (Klitschko and Joshua) I really can’t give him the same admiration as I do Ali.

Fury is literally 50lbs heavier than Ali. As much as there is a skill difference, there is only so much weight you can overcome and Fury ain’t no scrub either.

 

[Abraxas]

There’s none of the current crop of heavyweights who I would fancy to trouble Peak Ali, Holmes, Lewis or Tyson.
Given a level playing field as far as training regimes and “supplements” are concerned I would stake a lot of money on any of the above being victorious over any of Fury, Joshua, Usyk or Wilder.
Some of today‘s fighters could stand up to greats of the past but not at Heavyweight I think.
Would be interesting to know if any of the posters talking up Fury and co. were actually alive when my picks were dominating the HW scene?

It's hard to say, at the end of the day they're all legends for a reason so there shouldn't be any certainties.

Cunningham put Tyson over! So there's always a possibility a raging, peak Tyson who was a force of nature puts him over for good and he's the quintessential finisher. But it's a massive size difference, that's a problem as the fight progresses. I don't like Mike if he doesn't get it done early because Fury will be leaning all over him, sapping his energy. 2 different weight classes really.

Lewis and Holmes have a chance due to their great jabs. They're snappier than Tyson's. But I'd lean more towards Lewis having a far better chance due to size. I think Larry is a bit small to be winning a jabbing/ranged battle. So he doesn't really match up well in my opinion. Whereas Lewis was very rounded, more fluid than Fury, just an expert boxer puncher. I think he's one of the few in history with a chance to pick up the rounds against Fury and he also has the power to end it.

I don't really like Ali's chances, once again due to size. I can't really envisage a way that it's a good fight for him.

I think the biggest threats are Lewis, and prime Vitali Klitschko. There's a common theme there. Size, and boxing ability so that Fury doesn't have any big advantage in the fight.

 

[Gringo]

Has any fighter pushed the pace against Tyson ?

 

[poleglass red]

Has any fighter pushed the pace against Tyson ?

Not push the pace per se, but first Wilder fight, he was basically knocked spark out in last round

 

[SuperiorXI]

Not push the pace per se, but first Wilder fight, he was basically knocked spark out in last round

Then he got up and battered him though, and that was a rusty Fury. Fury's stamina is elite level.

 

[Gringo]

It's definitely intriguing though. Don't think Fury has faced anyone with the workrate of Usyk.

 

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[poleglass red]

Then he got up and battered him though, and that was a rusty Fury. Fury's stamina is elite level.

Exactly, but I was replying to a question has anyone "pushed the pace against Fury" and I give the last round knock down as an example.

 

[Pat_Mustard]

https://www.ringtv.com/648611-naoya...ight-championship-will-move-up-to-122-pounds/

Inoue moving up to super-bantam. Exciting news, as he's decimated his current division. Hopefully Fulton sticks around to fight him.

 

[Pat_Mustard]

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_...noue-stephen-fulton-talking-122-lb-title-bout

It would be a wonderful surprise if one of the best fights in boxing could be made so quickly and with minimal fuss.

 

[Vapor trail]

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_...noue-stephen-fulton-talking-122-lb-title-bout

It would be a wonderful surprise if one of the best fights in boxing could be made so quickly and with minimal fuss.

Would be a brilliant fight

 

[SilentWitness]

Hope they come down on Liam Smith quite hard. Goading Eubank about being gay. Disgusting prick.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

Hope they come down on Liam Smith quite hard. Goading Eubank about being gay. Disgusting prick.

I hope Eubank sparks that gobshite clean out. Clearly Smith doesn’t possess the wit to retort with anything decent so has to resort to petty playground insults of 20yr ago, “you’re gay!” Yeah, good one. Pathetic.

 

[G-manc]

Eubank’s career is so weird. Long spells of inactivity, never won a legit world title and yet he talks like he’s a superstar and has the ability to make fights easy to control. He’s barely beaten anyone decent and I genuinely don’t remember him knocking anyone out clean.

He’s a good athlete and has inherited his dad’s concrete head but he looks technically poor and dozes off in fights.

His sparring on the Behind the gloves was terrible.

 

[Pirlo'sBeard]

Eubank’s career is so weird. Long spells of inactivity, never won a legit world title and yet he talks like he’s a superstar and has the ability to make fights easy to control. He’s barely beaten anyone decent and I genuinely don’t remember him knocking anyone out clean.

He’s a good athlete and has inherited his dad’s concrete head but he looks technically poor and dozes off in fights.

His sparring on the Behind the gloves was terrible.

Looked more like a technical spar. He was piecing the guy up when he was trying.

He's improved a lot under Roy Jones Jr.

 

[G-manc]

Looked more like a technical spar. He was piecing the guy up when he was trying.

He's improved a lot under Roy Jones Jr.

Do you think?

I’m not sure he looks much different.

 

[BBer13]

I remember the reaction Eubank jr got after the Groves loss and people seemed to think he was done. He has had six fights after that loss and now he is in title contention and wants the big fights again. The people he has faced after his last loss aren't exactly great either. He beat a past it degale, and liam williams who had a very bad night and isn't more than an average fighter himself. Its weird boxing that you can go from being a poor fighter to a superstar after a string of a few fights.

 

[Doracle]

He’s a talented guy but he’s made a lot of money without having to push himself. The fact this fight against Smith is PPV is a good example. It’s a good British scrap, nothing more.

 

[F-Red]

Decent finish from Smith, would expect to see a rematch on this.

 

[fergies coat]

The fight was just getting going. It's a shame we didn't see more.

 

[SilentWitness]

Why lower yourself to homophobia when you’re capable of doing that. Twat.

 

[Semper Fudge]

Shame that horrible prat won.

 

[pascell]

Hope they come down on Liam Smith quite hard. Goading Eubank about being gay. Disgusting prick.

Nelson tonight throwing a blanket over it and saying "it's all part of the game" was equally as poor.

 

[Abraxas]

Eubank is so bad. He's 33 years old and still not the slightest idea how to box.

Now he's too old to rely on his chin and awkwardness (he should definitely not be at 160 either) he's toast.

 

[TheReligion]

Decent finish from Smith, would expect to see a rematch on this.

Don’t see the value in a rematch do you?

No one is going to pay for it

 

[F-Red]

Don’t see the value in a rematch do you?

No one is going to pay for it

Eubank will & it's his call on invoking it. Smith will relish it as he'll be able to put it on in Liverpool. Sky will love it as they can build the hype. I can see the value in them putting on a rematch, however I didn't pay for the first fight so I probably wouldn't pay for the second.

 

[TheReligion]

Eubank will & it's his call on invoking it. Smith will relish it as he'll be able to put it on in Liverpool. Sky will love it as they can build the hype. I can see the value in them putting on a rematch, however I didn't pay for the first fight so I probably wouldn't pay for the second.

I don’t see a rematch benefiting anyone really myself. Was such an emphatic defeat. I don’t think anyone would want to try and promote that!

 

[T00lsh3d]

Yarde vs Beterbiev tomorrow night. Not sure I can see any outcome other than Yarde getting his head stove in by Beterbievs iron fists

 

[Port Vale Devil]

Yarde vs Beterbiev tomorrow night. Not sure I can see any outcome other than Yarde getting his head stove in by Beterbievs iron fists

Should be a banger. No time to grab a beer or make a cuppa during rounds

 

[Pat_Mustard]

Yarde vs Beterbiev tomorrow night. Not sure I can see any outcome other than Yarde getting his head stove in by Beterbievs iron fists

Yarde is a gifted and powerful enough offensive fighter to make it a very interesting fight for me. I still think Beterbiev will wreck him though, particularly if the fight makes it into the later rounds. Looking forward to this one a lot.