I reckon he's first out the door when the time is right
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Actually makes sense to sell one to fund a young CB. Maguire who will definitely want to leave and whatever measly amount we get for Bailey can get us a good young CB. We can't be left with 1 quality back up cb.The fact Varane is injury prone means we need better CB than Lindelof. It's just sensinble and no brainer to sell both to buy a young centre back as long term replacement of Varane. Both Maguire and Lindelof have no future, cash in when the opportunity arises.
It's refreshing to see Lindelof-Maguire pairing only in early rounds of cup competitions. Rate them as decent options but not as starting CBs for a team that wants to be top again.
With slab head sticking around and Shaw being able to play CB, do we need to hold onto him, especially if we can get a decent fee for him?
Yep I believe that's his alt. Some wishful thinking indeed...
Shaw has shown that he’s quality enough to be Martinez’s backup, while we only need to upgrade Varane’s backup with young centre back. It’s about quality not quantity. We don’t have to have 11 starting XI with 11 backup. Given the new FFP rule is going to impact us, we should slimmer our squad and instead of having quantity of squad depth, we need to focus on more quality squad depth.
Maxence Lacroix. 190cm and will turn 23 this year. Contract expired in 2025 means he won't be too expensive to sign and his wages shouldn't be too much. He's currently playing for Wolfsburg, a lot of Bundesliga CBs have adapted playing in very high line system and also proven can play in PL (Rudiger, Matip, Konate, Akanji).
Don't have to be Lacroix but the point is it makes more sense and sensible move to sign this kind of centre back to prepare for Varane's replacement in the future and say good bye to Lindelof who's turning 29 this year or even Maguire who's turning 30 this year. No more weak and passive CB like Lindelof please.
Don't have to be Lacroix but the point is it makes more sense and sensible move to sign this kind of centre back to prepare for Varane's replacement in the future and say good bye to Lindelof who's turning 29 this year or even Maguire who's turning 30 this year. No more weak and passive CB like Lindelof please.
Chelsea will move on from Gallagher for 40m plus 5m, while we are stuck with Lindelof. The reason why our board are so bad in comparison to others. Stuck with deadwoods too long.
You know the funny thing about this? You do realise the Chelsea board don't decide how much Everton want to bid?
Can you show me any source that has bid anything more than a loan for Lindelof?
Yes I realised that. Not sure why is that relevant though since the point is that we don’t even open to sell players that have no future for this club, while Chelsea open to sell players that have no future for this club, hence why everton placed a bid.
How can I show the bid if we don’t even open to sell in the first place?
Right so Ajax were open to sell Antony?
Was Gordon transfer listed?
Are Brighton open to sell Caceido?
All we know is Everton have put a proposal to Chelsea, did Chelsea send a letter to teams offering them Gallagher?
The reason clubs are "open" to selling is because a team comes with an offer that is too good. I read that Inter want him on loan.. why on earth would be open to loan Lindelof out?
You don’t need to be transfer listed to open to sell. Brighton was never open to sell to begin with hence why they are demanding ridiculous silly fees, the same with Ajax-Antony situation last summer.
When club is interested to sign players, agent tends to be informed, which later on allowing the club to know that there is another club is interested to sign the player because there is an offer the player likes. This is where the agent and clubs will know if a move is possible.
Of course, the issue here is that the club said we are not open to sell, and it is what I read on the tweet posted here and I’m sure you could read that too. And realistically Inter wouldn’t do what we did and arsenal did to Antony and Caicedo because Lindelof is a centre back who’s going to turn 29 this year, no way to place ridiculous 50m or 100m bid on him.
I’m not arguing us not open for loan move. And I‘m not arguing us to reject a 10m offer, which we haven’t. I’m talking about that we are not even open to sell based on the tweet.
Funny thing is that Gallagher has played 9 league matches as starter and 9 league matches as sub, while Lindelof has played 4 league matches as starter and 2 league matches as sub. But we are not open to sell.
Right, if you go have a look at all those players, the club stated they do not want to sell.
Didn't Inter charge 100m for a 29 year old Lukaku? Weren't Inter quoting us 50m for Perisic? But yeah we cant do that.
We haven't quoted a fee, its up to the buying club to come up with a proposal to convince the club to sell.
Also, I love how United fans operate, in the first instance crying about squad depth, then cry we are not selling players to get money in. It cant work both ways. Ten Hag wants to keep the players to cover until the end of the season. I don't see how anyone has an issue with that?
Finally, its a funny thing because I never knew we are only in 1 competition, using stats that suit a narrative. Really funnily enough, Lindelof has played 1213 minutes this season and Gallagher has played 1040 minutes.
I don’t think you understand the word deadwood. Lindelof has played roughly the same amount of minutes (1194 min) as Varane this season, and last season he played more than Varane. You need players you can trust when you rotate and when you have injuries. We have only lost one game with him as CB so far so it’s not surprising he is trusted by ETH. (Not counting City as a loss as we played 3-3 when he was on the pitch)
I think you will notice that there are some fans who will make the narrative fit based on players they dont like. It has nothing to do with the players quality, what the manager thinks or anything else.
They will cry about squad depth in one conversation and then cry that we are not selling the 3rd choice CB when the starting one has been injury prone during his tenure at the club. Just because Chelsea who are 10th are selling one of their players, people get riled up.
Who the feck wants to buy bench warmer Lindelof for 50m or 100m? Of course we can’t do that because it’s delusional. Inter charged 50m-100m on their starting XI players and you think it’s fair comparison to a centre back who will turn 29 years old this year and only had 4 league starters and 2 came on as subs?
I never say we have quoted a fee.
I’m about quality squad depth not quantity squad depth. Unfortunately, not every United fans that you think crying about squad depth actually have the same idea of quality squad depth.
Of course ten Hag wants to keep the player. What manager doesn’t want to keep more players as long as they don’t ruin the dressing room? You would expect the same with Potter who has given Gallagher 9 league starts and 9 subs.
Hence why this is where the sporting director role to advise. It‘s better financially in the long term especially the new FFP rule that the club should open to sell a centre back who only started 4 league matches and made 2 subs and even falling behind Shaw in pecking order and will turn 29 years old to be sold. What did you think the point of sporting director? Did you think when I mentioned ‘’the board’’, I was referring to ten Hag?
Try to rethink this and tell me, is being open to sell on centre back who only started 4 league matches and made 2 subs and even falling behind Shaw in pecking order and will turn 29 years old isn’t sensible move when there are already Varane, Martinez, Maguire, and even Shaw is now playing ahead of Lindelof? Add this into the new FFP rule that will affect us as well.
I can’t say Gallagher is deadwood either, considering he has started 9 league matches. Ok let’s just rephrase it in much more context of words. A player who has no future, going to turn 29 years old this year, falling behind Varane, Martinez, and Shaw in pecking order and only started 4 league matches. I don’t know what to call that, but I have given more context so you should understand. The conclusion it’s no brainer the board should be open to sell.
Can I ask you a question? What is the prime age of a CB? So are you saying Lindelof is being targeted by Inter to be a bench player? They want him on loan and the reports are saying we dont want to.
Its quite funny because, in most instances clubs actually offer a package then the selling club decides, with United fans are getting their knickers in the twist because the club's line is they dont want to sell. What do you want the club to say? Yes we are looking to sell Lindelof, but we await bids.
Dont forget less than 18 months ago, Inter couldn't even offer £8m for Dalot, a then bench player now probably wouldnt sell for anything less than £40m. Being on the bench for 6 months doesn't mean a player is a bench player.
Also, I see how you again used his league starts, you do realise we play in 4 competitions? Obviously you will use league starts because it suits your narrative. SO if you only want to use league records for Lindelof, I hope you keep it consistent when you are judging other players.
Nope, I would fully expect Ten Hag to get rid if he does not think he can use them, I.e Diallo, Savage, Mejbri. Also, I expect him to sell some players in the summer too. He would not want to keep players for the sake of keeping them, again I hope you are consistent with this as well.
Right, so in your opinion United should sell Maguire, Lindelof, Garnacho, VDB, Sancho, Martial too right? because they have had less than 7 league starts each.
When you talk about future etc, just to illustrate how important the “bench players” like Lindelof, AWB, etc are.
Varane-Martinez form our first choice CB pair. They have both contributed a lot this season, but as a pair they have a had smaller impact.
Varane-Martinez did not form CB pair in any of our last 14 victories. That means we played other CB pairs rather than first choice in our last 14 wins. Last time we won with Varane-Martinez was on October 19th 2022. In all 14 last victories we had bench players as one or two of the CBs. And those bench players have delivered what we need, so why ship them?
It is all very strange. I can understand critique that we keep Jones, Bailly, Tuanzebe who never play. To replace Lindelof would cost more than we get and will always be a risk with new players. So far Lindelof has delivered enough as CB this season so really no reason to sell off players who are useful.
Wow. Fantastic bick of research there
Sure, you can ask questions as long as it’s relevant. Unfortunately, the prime age of CB is irrelevant because the reason why I keep mentioning Lindelof‘s age that he is going to turn 29 this year is because that is not a good age for transition in Varane’s age (your weird argument about Diallo and mejbri is so irrelevant). Hence why we need to open to sell 29 years old bench player. Add the money to our budget to save it for the summer to buy younger centre back as Varane replacement. Now that we get the opportunity of club interested in him then we should open to sell, and once again the tweet said we are not open to sell.
When I said bench player, I‘m talking about lindelof’s role at united right now. Not talking about inter.
Why everything I said, you interpreted it wrong? No wonder you keep saying it’s quite funny because you didn’t take it seriously to read my explanation and can’t be bothered to read what i said, hence why you keep misunderstood what I said.
You are still confused. Let;s take an example of Ighalo. We approached ighalo’s agent for the interest to sign him, ighalo and his agent talked to his club at that time that there is man united interested to sign him, the club let the agent and player know that they open to sell so it‘s up to us to find an agreement with ighalo’s club. Open to sell doesn’t mean the club will sell. Doesn’t open to sell means the club will not sell unless the most ridiculous silly fees are met like buying Lindelof for 50m or 100m.
Dalot is benched by Ole who prefers AWB. Lindelof is benched by ten Hag and I expect ten Hag to be our manager next season.
- The league record reflects to the level importance of the player, the conclusion is ten Hag sees him as bench player.
- Next where is he in pecking order under ten Hag? Below Varane, Martinez, and Shaw.
- Does he have future for the club to replace Varane for the future. No. He’s 29 years old. Hence why your argument about Diallo, savage, and mejbri make zero sense in here.
- Add all of the three into the new FFP rule that will affect us, it is only sensible move to be open to sell bench players.
I find it amusing how people can twist one point of mine by ignoring 3 of my 4 points. I never like this kind of people, people who don’t read.
Like I said before add all of the four I listed above I would open to sell for Maguire and Lindelof.
To be fair, I would also open to sell VDB because I’m about quality squad depth not quantity.
- Being 4 starter in the league reflects to ten Hag sees him as bench player.
- He’s below Varane, Martinez, and even ten Hag now prefers Shaw.
- Does he have future for the club to replace Varane for the future. No. He’s 29 years old.
- Add all of the three into the new FFP rule that will affect us, it is only sensible move to be open to sell bench players that won’t replace Varane in the future.
Oh so you say I don't read but to me it looks like you have failed to read your own posts. How can age be irrelevant when you are the one who brought the age. He is 28 btw, not 29. Again always making up numbers to suit your narrative. There is no interest in Varane, if there was you would see offers in for him.
Ok so we can't have Lindelof because he is so called a bench player. The one thing you keep ignoring is the fact that in your head we play 1 competition and in reality we play 4 competitions. Lindelof has played 1213 minutes this season and Varane has played 1301. Thats 1 game less, so do you think we should also listen to offers for Varane? He is also 1 year older, so I actually dont get your point at all. We need 4/5 CB's in a season because unlike you I do count the 3 other competitions.
We approached Ighalo and you are wrong, Machester United spoke to his club and offered a loan fee, Ighalo didnt pay it himself. You do realise in most instances clubs will not be "open" to selling because if you use that line in public, you wont get the value. Its not rocket science.
For example, Sancho, Dortmund didn't want to sell him but when we wanted him, if we bid 120m they would have sold, which is obvious, if you want a player, you have to pay the fee.
League reflects level of importance, so why does Ten Hag play the strongest team in all competitions? You are that deluded to only take 1 competition out of 4.
You do realise CB position is not 1, we play with 2 CB's, and you want us to go into the second half with 2 CB's LB to cover, that is stupid at the highest level.
He has played the same amount of minutes as Varane this season, what bit of that do you not understand?
It seems you can’t take in what I wrote. The players you call bench players are important.
United have won 23 matches this season.
Varane- Martinez were CB pair in 6 wins.
Bench players were CBs in 17 wins.
Why would you ship succesful bench players?
Yeah, selling Lindelof would be mad. Even if Varane wasn’t injury prone. But Varane is injury prone. Which would make selling Lindelof even madder.
- No. I said ''being prime age'' is irrelevant in this argument. I didn’t say “his age” is irrelevant
- And also I said ''he is going to turn 29 this year''. It's fact not making up numbers to suit my narrative.
- I never say there is interest in Varane.
Once again, I said it’s not only one reason of Lindelof being bench player that we should be open to sell him. You have to add up all the four points/reasons that I made in the previous post.
The new FFP rule will affect us (I mentioned this as my point of no 4 in my previous post). It was already reported that we need to sell if we want to sign expensive striker and midfield in the summer. And a poster called Messier1994 explained into more detail in different thread of due to new FFP rule, it put us into limitation that we can only buy one 55m player with 200k p.w wages in the summer before selling players.
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Therefore we will need to sell players that can generate good money. And one of the areas we can start looking to sell is centre back. Because we have 5 players who can cover the CB roles (Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Maguire, and Lindelof). We don’t want to sell Varane and Martinez because those two have started 13 and 16 league games. It shows those two are very important in our starting XI in comparison to Lindelof and Maguire who only had 4 league starters (this was my point No.2 that I mentioned in previous post).
It’s only sensible to be open to sell for either or both of Lindelof and Maguire because both of them are going to turn 29 and 30 this year means the longer we wait, their value will be down. If we can sell one of them, we generate money to help us and we still have 4 players to cover. If we sell both, we will need to sign young centre back as understudy of Varane for future replacement aka making preparation in the long term.
It was mentioned in Ighalo interview that his agent was approached by us about potential move. And his agent rang him at night about this and both of him and his agent quickly went to meeting with his club to ask whether he's allowed to leave or no.
You kept using the argument of player like Sancho, Lukaku, and etc when they were part of the key or starting XI player of their team. No club would want to sell their starting XI. Very different situation to team that already has 5 cover in CB and need to generate money to help them with the new FFP rule. Selling one means we still have 4 covers in CB not just 3 covers (2 CBs and LB).
Because of the new rule FFP we need to find a way to generate money, I have explained this in the post you replied. This means we will need to look at our squad who we can move on to generate money, Lindelof and Maguire are in the category because they only had 4 league starters each while Martinez and Varane are considered as starting XI players as they have 16 and 13 league starters. Sell one of Maguire/Lindelof will still leave us 4 covers in CB (Varane, Lisandro, Shaw, Maguire). If we sell both, then only makes sense to buy a young CB as understudy for Varane.
It just makes no sense whatsoever to sell Lindelof if he's happy to stay and be 3rd choice. We'll surely be looking to sell on Maguire, McTominay, Henderson and probably 1 of 2 others which should generate a decent amount.
Whoever we can sell to generate more money between Lindelof and Maguire is what we should sell. Hence why I said we should still be open to sell Lindelof and Maguire but an article said we are not open to sell Lindelof, which not giving an opportunity for buyer to place a reasonable bid.
That's because he's our 3rd choice CB and it makes no sense to sell him.
I love how people are confident he'll stay as 3rd choice centre back and not become automatic first name on the team sheet 
Shaw has been above him in pecking order of the left side CB recently, while Lindelof offers no different level to Maguire. Do you actually really think there is difference in the level between Maguire and Lindelof?
Yes, for about 18 months, Lindelof has been miles better.
Lindelof is better than Maguire but it's moot because they're both quite shit.
Another reason I would open to sell. Giving us some cash to get Eriksen replacement. We have enough cover in centre back.
It also comes down to which of the two will be happier to stick around as a squad option. Obviously we don't know for sure, but I think most would assume that would be Lindelof. Maguire is also on higher wages, and him being club captain does create a bit of a strange dynamic.
Obviously if ETH and the scouting department think they can sell both and bring in a better player for a small fee (who wouldn't mind being a squad player for a while), then great. Do it. But the likelihood is that we'll be focusing on other parts of the team, so we'll want one of them to stick around for at least one more season. In which case it seems much more likely that it'll be Lindelof still here with Maguire being sold.
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