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Tom Cato

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I really think there should be a disctinction between "honest play for the ball" and reckless challenge. At this rate you are just awarding red cards for being unlucky.
 

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It’s similar to the Schweinsteiger situation. At first, you couldn’t criticise him with the whole “BFS” stuff, but it was obvious he was bad.

It’s obvious Casemiro is bad but he still has that reputation that prevents any criticism.
If you're only going to pipe up when it suits you then you're not arguing in good faith. I'm threadbanning you from here.
 

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Like Keane and Scholes will pick up red cards and we have to learn to live with it. Would be a lot more bearable if we had quality cover for the missing games. I imagine we’ll be in the market for an option this summer. Hard to get up to his usual level of late due to all the missed matches. Viscous circle.
 

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Its not a well calculated risk when you end up with a completely pointless red card. We know referees are shit. We know that they can watch the same tackle twice in the same game and give one a red and the other nothing. As soon as you give them a decision on a red you have made a poorly calculated risk unless your action prevented a goal.

We got utterly shafted Yesterday by the ref and VAR but the Casemiro red was the least egregious of those mistakes. The issue is not so much that he was given a red for that, I personally think it was a silly challenge and bad luck played its part but those are often given. The issue is that every weekend there are a dozen challenges as bad as that which don't receive a red.
How can you expect to see that you slip off the ball and slightly touch the other player? The odds of that happening were like 1 of a billion or more.
 

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modern game you're risking a red card now with that sort of challenge and he was a bit unlucky that his foot bounced off the ball and into the guys shin....Erik was right though about the inconsistency as that same challenge happened twice in other matches on saturday with no red card being shown.

also...i know odd enough but if he actually went in with his foot turned vertically that would have eliminated any chance of it bouncing off the top of the ball and he would have just went straight thru the challenge and been fine.
 

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How can you expect to see that you slip off the ball and slightly touch the other player? The odds of that happening were like 1 of a billion or more.
In modern football you always run the risk of a red card if you slide in with your studs shown. Loads of tackles are just bad luck as to where the opposition foot ends up vs your own but that doesn't stop it from being a red.
 

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50/50 on the red card, sometimes you get away with yellow, sometimes you don't. As has been repeated ad-nauseum, it's the inconsistency that frustrates players and fans.

I'm also of the opinion the punishment for a red card is too severe. For Casemiro to miss 60 minutes of the match, AND the next four games, seems incredibly harsh given the actual incidents. The gulf in consequence between yellow and red is massive.
 

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Confirmed were not appealing it despite feeling hard done by the refs

I don't think it would have been overturned as it would be once again admitting refs (var and the one who saw it via the monitor) got it wrong.
Again
 

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"It is inconsistent," he said, after Sunday's match with the Saints. "The referees are coming at the start of the season with a policy: we are the Premier League, we want intensity and Casemiro, across European games, over 500, he never had a red card but now, twice. He plays tough but he’s fair.

"Same as against Crystal Palace, so it’s very debatable. When you freeze it [Sunday’s challenge], it looks bad. Everyone who knows something about football, knows what is bad, what is fair and Casemiro is a fair player. Tough, but fair, and it shows over 500 games in big leagues and he was never sent off. He’s disappointed."
 

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It was a red. We'd be furious if it wasn't given for an opposition tackle. The issue is certainly consistency.
 

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How can you expect to see that you slip off the ball and slightly touch the other player? The odds of that happening were like 1 of a billion or more.
Eh? The odds of Casemiro's foot making contact with the opposition player were a billion to one??? I'm not entirely convinced you understand odds.
 

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He is the only player who really hits a tackle... Fred occasionally... McT ???

Need Sabitzer to get firing. Just highlights the lack of quality alongside him. Note his work since Eriksen being injured. We really miss Eriksen.

A big blow for us this one.
 

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According to the letter of the law, yes
Even this isn't true. You take the ball clearly with studs and don't make the contact and you will get a yellow at worst with referees having to take everything into context (force, recklessness and so on...). If we are looking strictly at the rules considering that Casemiro made the unfortunate contact, yeah, you can give a red for that, but it's still an extremely harsh decision which goes mostly unpunished even in much worse scenarios where there is a clear red. Personally, for me it is an absolute bs decision and I would never claim the red if the foot was on other side in a similar context.

It is what it is.
 

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I think Casemiro is one yellow away from missing an EL game. Will the cards be nullified at some point or is it inevitable that he will miss a game before the final if we make it that far ?
 

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Even this isn't true. You take the ball clearly with studs and don't make the contact and you will get a yellow at worst with referees having to take everything into context (force, recklessness and so on...). If we are looking strictly at the rules considering that Casemiro made the unfortunate contact, yeah, you can give a red for that, but it's still an extremely harsh decision which goes mostly unpunished even in much worse scenarios where there is a clear red. Personally, for me it is an absolute bs decision and I would never claim the red if the foot was on other side in a similar context.

It is what it is.
The key bit is he jumped into the tackle, left the ground
Do I think another ref could give a yellow yes, could he just not of jumped into it yes
He gave the ref a decision to make, when he didn’t have to
 

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He needs help. Modric & Kroos did a lot of work too to make the midfield functional in all phases of the game. We need a midfielder that'll help in the first phase of build up and hopefully allow us to impose a bit of control.
 

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I think Casemiro is one yellow away from missing an EL game. Will the cards be nullified at some point or is it inevitable that he will miss a game before the final if we make it that far ?
”…all yellow cards expire on completion of the quarter-finals. They are not carried forward to the semi-finals.”

So there’s still a good chance he’ll get suspended.
 

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Not a very good reading.

At least the Europa games & Carabao final which he played, heals some wounds but this is a grim reading in the league at a personal level.

 

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He needs help. Modric & Kroos did a lot of work too to make the midfield functional in all phases of the game. We need a midfielder that'll help in the first phase of build up and hopefully allow us to impose a bit of control.
This is a key point. When he is not playing next to a partner who can read the game and is composed he is left to do way to much.
Having Fred or McT next to him leaves him with way to much to do and he ends up doing things like this.
It cannot be overstated how much we miss Eriksen.
 

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He needs help. Modric & Kroos did a lot of work too to make the midfield functional in all phases of the game. We need a midfielder that'll help in the first phase of build up and hopefully allow us to impose a bit of control.
Precisely,getting someone to partner and back him up in the summer is high priority
 

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These are my thoughts. Not sure it was a red card but there’s always a chance if you leap in like that. Could’ve really hurt the player even if he won the ball.
But he didn't. Do we play the game based on what ifs? Did you see when we won 4-2 at the Nou Camp, I mean, we didn't, but we could have easily scored 2 more goals. How about we judge based on what actually happens, versus a bunch of hypotheticals, because they don't mean shit.
 

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But he didn't. Do we play the game based on what ifs? Did you see when we won 4-2 at the Nou Camp, I mean, we didn't, but we could have easily scored 2 more goals. How about we judge based on what actually happens, versus a bunch of hypotheticals, because they don't mean shit.
Don't be silly. His point was it was a reckless challenge. That stands regardless of the outcome.
 

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I'm trying to understand the view of those that say Casemiro's red card is his fault.

As manager, I wouldn't dare fine him for indiscipline or berate him because it would be very unfair and provoke a strong negative reaction from the player and dressing room. Instead I'd 100% create a siege mentality.

Maybe I'm used to football before the 2010s and avoid over-scrutinising still frames /slow motion replays but I still think that it's such a ridiculous view if you think he deserves to be red-carded. If the Premier League refs today still do not penalise those challenges as red cards or even fouls, then they aren't.

Casemiro was clearly aiming at the ball ahead of the opponent's legs and got to the ball before his foot rolled upwards and made contact with the player.
Trying to wrap my head around some of the comments in here. This was a ridiculous decision. Taylor was right there and gave a yellow, asshat in the VAR room slowed the game down by 1000x times, zoomed in on a couple studs and sent that over to Taylor to skew his opinion. He got the ball, the player wasn't hurt, the player didn't complain, even seemed sympathetic Case was sent off. The league has it in for us, clear as day, and this was a shit decision, most likely down on purpose by a ref that has a record of fecking us.
 

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But he didn't. Do we play the game based on what ifs? Did you see when we won 4-2 at the Nou Camp, I mean, we didn't, but we could have easily scored 2 more goals. How about we judge based on what actually happens, versus a bunch of hypotheticals, because they don't mean shit.
End of the day, in the modern game, you don't jump off the floor and go in with 2 feet. You can win the ball yeah, but it generally results in a pretty nasty tackle after.
 

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He needs a midfield partner who compliments him in the summer,ideally they can also provide cover as well but lot to ask. Would be easier to just sign two separate players but gut feeling is we won't do that at all
 

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End of the day, in the modern game, you don't jump off the floor and go in with 2 feet. You can win the ball yeah, but it generally results in a pretty nasty tackle after.
He didn’t go in with two feet though. His other foot was under his arse.
 

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He is the only player who really hits a tackle... Fred occasionally... McT ???

Need Sabitzer to get firing. Just highlights the lack of quality alongside him. Note his work since Eriksen being injured. We really miss Eriksen.

A big blow for us this one.
But that doesn't explain why he never got any reds when playing for RM. One assumes he played the same way in La Liga. The refs there are supposedly less tolerent of physical contact than in the PL.

One possibility is the rules have changed this year. Or he is playing with more gusto and emotionally for United due to his closer fan connection at the OT? Or he's just more tired than normal or getting older and his timing is off a little?
 

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Not a very good reading.

At least the Europa games & Carabao final which he played, heals some wounds but this is a grim reading in the league at a personal level.

What's this about, how could have been suspended in most of last 10 games?
Something wrong with this.
 

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It’s similar to the Schweinsteiger situation. At first, you couldn’t criticise him with the whole “BFS” stuff, but it was obvious he was bad.

It’s obvious Casemiro is bad but he still has that reputation that prevents any criticism.
Your post is a parody. All of your posts are.
 

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What's this about, how could have been suspended in most of last 10 games?
Something wrong with this.
What do you mean?

In the last 10 league games Casemiro has/will only played 3 games. And has been/will be suspended for 7 games

Of those 3 games.

Crystal Palace win.
Liverpool thrashing.
Soton draw.

Are the only games he has played. Not a very good return in the 10 game period. But at least Europa and Carabao cup games he played in them in perfect ways.
 

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What do you mean?

In the last 10 league games Casemiro has/will only played 3 games. And has been/will be suspended for 7 games

Of those 3 games.

Crystal Palace win.
Liverpool thrashing.
Soton draw.

Are the only games he has played. Not a very good return in the 10 game period. But at least Europa and Carabao cup games he played in them in perfect ways.
Ah sorry, misunderstood.
 
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