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It stretches back longer than this season. This nonsense.







3 reds in his last 15 matches reffing United. Not a single red ever given to an opposition team.

89 yellows to United. 49 to opposition.

He is dodgy when it comes to United.
Funny thing is, in the match yesterday the yard thing was a massive sticking point for a freekick the players looked miles away from the ball again.

The United players were fuming, cant remember the minute or time.

Nevermind the fact we had the long delay for the red card then the injuries and he added on a single minute for the first half, its clear to see.
 

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He'll continue to be allowed to do it with these owners/board. The club basically saying "thank you, may I have another Mr. Taylor" by not appealing the red. If we aren't gonna appeal the red, we aren't going to say shite about how biased Taylor refs our matches. Gutless board. Hopefully the next owners/board have more moxy than this lot.
 

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He'll continue to be allowed to do it with these owners/board. The club basically saying "thank you, may I have another Mr. Taylor" by not appealing the red. If we aren't gonna appeal the red, we aren't going to say shite about how biased Taylor refs our matches. Gutless board. Hopefully the next owners/board have more moxy than this lot.
Yeah it is definitely the Glazers that are making decisions whether to appeal or not. EtH calling them to the States and explaining them what a red card is.
 

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When you see it laid out like this, it's hard to argue against. Every ref gets some wrong but there are some real shockers in this list.

The Watmore one might be the worst refereeing decision I've ever seen.
I don't understand it. That and other similar incidents, when they happened I was explained as long as handball doesn't happen immediately prior to goalscorer scoring, it can't be pulled back. Is that right?

If so, yesterday Bilbao against Barca, Bilbao goal was disallowed cuz on review they called handball by their player a few secs prior in the middle of the pitch.

Has the rule changed?
 

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Now, I'm not saying he's biased... but here is his PL stats officiating United and Liverpool.
Club​
Games Officiated​
Yellow​
Orange​
Red​
Pens For​
Liverpool​
50​
82​
1​
1​
11​
Manchester United​
38​
80​
0​
3​
9​

Opposition Stats:

Club​
Yellow​
Orange​
Red​
Pens For​
Liverpool's Opponents​
103​
0​
4​
6​
Manchester United Opponents​
42​
1​
0​
2​


So Liverpool have been given 82 yellow cards in 50 games with 2 sending offs but their opponents have had 103 with 4 sending offs.
United however have been given 80 yellow cards in 38 games with 3 sending offs but our opponents have had 42 yellows and 1 sending off.
 

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I don't understand it. That and other similar incidents, when they happened I was explained as long as handball doesn't happen immediately prior to goalscorer scoring, it can't be pulled back. Is that right?

If so, yesterday Bilbao against Barca, Bilbao goal was disallowed cuz on review they called handball by their player a few secs prior in the middle of the pitch.

Has the rule changed?
That's what they said at the time.

I can't say I have much interest in whether it has changed or not. Common sense should prevail but never does. Even if the wrong call is made, they'll invent a reason to justify it to try and save face.
 

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Now, I'm not saying he's biased... but here is his PL stats officiating United and Liverpool.
Club​
Games Officiated​
Yellow​
Orange​
Red​
Pens For​
Liverpool​
50​
82​
1​
1​
11​
Manchester United​
38​
80​
0​
3​
9​

Opposition Stats:

Club​
Yellow​
Orange​
Red​
Pens For​
Liverpool's Opponents​
103​
0​
4​
6​
Manchester United Opponents​
42​
1​
0​
2​


So Liverpool have been given 82 yellow cards in 50 games with 2 sending offs but their opponents have had 103 with 4 sending offs.
United however have been given 80 yellow cards in 38 games with 3 sending offs but our opponents have had 42 yellows and 1 sending off.
He's very obviously a City fan.
 

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The on-field referee initially awarded a yellow-card. He was advised to go and look at the monitor and he changed it to a red. This is an example of VAR working correctly and I hope all future flying tackles get the same response as that was a potential leg-breaker and there is no place for that in the game.
Christ what a pathetic view shrouded in arsenal bias. Look forward to you saying this about Arsenal.
 

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The on-field referee initially awarded a yellow-card. He was advised to go and look at the monitor and he changed it to a red. This is an example of VAR working correctly and I hope all future flying tackles get the same response as that was a potential leg-breaker and there is no place for that in the game.
FYI - all future tackles were not giving this response. Dan Burn made a worse challenge an hour later and was not even booked for it.
 

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Just really rubs salt in the wound doesn't it?

The referees union perform the same sort of mental gymnastics as the planks on here that try to defend their decisions week in week out, blaming the players they supposedly support in the process.
I've just watched Dion Dublin, Murray on a American pundits show, they had another ex ref, and even he said that the Ball for the pen hits his Chest 1st?? Same as Gallagher, both Murray and Dublin started smiling then said , the pics and angles I can see it hit his Arm 1st , and if it didn't there is a UTD player behind, both agreed its a penalty. And both were bemused VAR didn't give it. ?
 

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FYI - all future tackles were not giving this response. Dan Burn made a worse challenge an hour later and was not even booked for it.
Booked? As I said earlier, he didn’t even give the freekick.

People saying we have no bottle because we aren’t appealing. Don’t forget more games can be added to suspension with a failed appeal, which would probably be the outcome with our luck.
 

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I'm sorry Man Utd. fans, I have just watched MOTD2 on iPlayer and it was quite definitely a sending-off offence.

VAR got it right.

Specifically, when the tackle was made Casemiro was airbourne, so in no control of himself. Those out-of-control tackles are invariably given red cards (Fabian Delph got one for City awhile back).

I realise it must be hard to take - that Casemiro - will have lost 7 games at such a crucial time, perhaps he is beginning to realise that the English PL is the fastest league in the world and he needs to adapt to that. If Spurs and Newcastle finish the season well, you really could struggle to get top-4 and if that were to happen and it was a Man Utd. vs Arsenal Europa Cup Final in May, that would become a very, very big game indeed.

Having said that, what is the rule: if Arsenal have won or come 2nd in the PL and get CL that way if Arsenal won a Man Utd. vs Arsenal Europa final would your lot get a CL place anyway even if defeated?
I don't think most disagreed it was maybe a red card the inconsistencies in officiating is the main issue, where other tackles of similar or worse have not recieved such scrutiny, the Ref was deemed to have made an obvious error for VAR to intervene, VAR is being used to the detrement of football as when they KNOW they get it wrong it's then called a subjective one !! If that's the case everytime they get it wrong why bother having VAR it's just another way to be subjective when they feel like it. VAR has to be consistent the same VAR guy deems the Ref hadn't made a obvious error by not giving a handball pen ! When pics show it hits his ARM first . And it's either a coincidence but it's the Same 2 guys that have been involved in both of Casimeros red cards.
 

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I hate what it would do to the game but we should consider the system where the bench is allowed to challenge a decision a few times a game. I know it would slow down the game but it might give us some more comfort with the decisions and would make the refs more accountable.
We're talking a multi-million (maybe billion) pound industry. Some of these reffing decisions could cause teams to loose millions of pounds especially if they were to lead to relegation.
 

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The on-field referee initially awarded a yellow-card. He was advised to go and look at the monitor and he changed it to a red. This is an example of VAR working correctly and I hope all future flying tackles get the same response as that was a potential leg-breaker and there is no place for that in the game.
In essence, this is what we thought we were getting when VAR was introduced, and I’d be fine if that was the application they went for, told us that they wanted and stayed consistent with.

But all season long, and especially since Howard Webb came in, we’ve been told to accept when we don’t get penalties against Newcastle, Nottingham and Crystal Palace that were very clear because the bar for a VAR intervention is very high. When van Dijk studs someone and receives a yellow, we’re told to accept it because the bar for a VAR intervention is very high. When Fabinho lunges at a guy’s achilles from behind and receives a yellow, we’re told to accept it because the bar for a VAR intervention is very high. When Coady grabs a Liverpool player by the throat, we’re told to accept that no sanction is not a clear and obvious mistake because, you guessed it, the bar for a VAR intervention is very high.

A day before our game, multiple horrible tackles are made and VAR doesn’t intervene because the bar for a VAR intervention is very high (despite those tackles not even being punished with yellow cards!). An hour after our game, two very obvious fouls don’t get VAR interventions (Pope and Burn) because the bar for a VAR intervention is very high. Yet somehow in the middle of all that, you’re going to tell me that out of all those incidents, some involving literally the same referee, the worst mistake of the weekend, where VAR absolutely needed to step in to correct a clear and obvious mistake, was showing a yellow card to Casemiro for his tackle? How is this not blatant inconsistency bordering on dishoneaty from the guy sitting in the VAR room, who presumably is under the same instructions as every other referee sitting in that room?
 

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In essence, this is what we thought we were getting when VAR was introduced, and I’d be fine if that was the application they went for, told us that they wanted and stayed consistent with.

But all season long, and especially since Howard Webb came in, we’ve been told to accept when we don’t get penalties against Newcastle, Nottingham and Crystal Palace that were very clear because the bar for a VAR intervention is very high. When van Dijk studs someone and receives a yellow, we’re told to accept it because the bar for a VAR intervention is very high. When Fabinho lunges at a guy’s achilles from behind and receives a yellow, we’re told to accept it because the bar for a VAR intervention is very high. When Coady grabs a Liverpool player by the throat, we’re told to accept that no sanction is not a clear and obvious mistake because, you guessed it, the bar for a VAR intervention is very high.

A day before our game, multiple horrible tackles are made and VAR doesn’t intervene because the bar for a VAR intervention is very high (despite those tackles not even being punished with yellow cards!). An hour after our game, two very obvious fouls don’t get VAR interventions (Pope and Burn) because the bar for a VAR intervention is very high. Yet somehow in the middle of all that, you’re going to tell me that out of all those incidents, some involving literally the same referee, the worst mistake of the weekend, where VAR absolutely needed to step in to correct a clear and obvious mistake, was showing a yellow card to Casemiro for his tackle? How is this not blatant inconsistency bordering on dishoneaty from the guy sitting in the VAR room, who presumably is under the same instructions as every other referee sitting in that room?
This right here, this is the point. It's not that confusing.

Could Casemiro's have been a red? Of course! If the ref had given it a straight red, I wouldn't complain that much. But he had a clear, unobstructed from 10 feet away, and decided yellow, in real time. That's how refereeing is supposed to work. VAR is only supposed to intervene if the ref isn't able to see something, or if they've made a clear and obvious error.

There are countless times a match that a freeze-frame, or slow-motion replay makes a foul look a red. But it was only used here. Why? That's all we want to know. Why do we get literally twice as many yellows from Taylor as our opponents? Why has he sent off 3 of our players, and NEVER sent off an opposition player against us? That's not a small sample size, it's an entire season's worth of games.
 

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In essence, this is what we thought we were getting when VAR was introduced, and I’d be fine if that was the application they went for, told us that they wanted and stayed consistent with.

But all season long, and especially since Howard Webb came in, we’ve been told to accept when we don’t get penalties against Newcastle, Nottingham and Crystal Palace that were very clear because the bar for a VAR intervention is very high. When van Dijk studs someone and receives a yellow, we’re told to accept it because the bar for a VAR intervention is very high. When Fabinho lunges at a guy’s achilles from behind and receives a yellow, we’re told to accept it because the bar for a VAR intervention is very high. When Coady grabs a Liverpool player by the throat, we’re told to accept that no sanction is not a clear and obvious mistake because, you guessed it, the bar for a VAR intervention is very high.

A day before our game, multiple horrible tackles are made and VAR doesn’t intervene because the bar for a VAR intervention is very high (despite those tackles not even being punished with yellow cards!). An hour after our game, two very obvious fouls don’t get VAR interventions (Pope and Burn) because the bar for a VAR intervention is very high. Yet somehow in the middle of all that, you’re going to tell me that out of all those incidents, some involving literally the same referee, the worst mistake of the weekend, where VAR absolutely needed to step in to correct a clear and obvious mistake, was showing a yellow card to Casemiro for his tackle? How is this not blatant inconsistency bordering on dishoneaty from the guy sitting in the VAR room, who presumably is under the same instructions as every other referee sitting in that room?
Well I certainly agree Pope should have been sent off, that was clear-cut. Perhaps the officials were lenient because he has just come off a suspension for a silly sending-off that might have made the Carabou Cup much trickier for you the other week (yes I know Casemiro was also recently red-carded, but his suspension ended before the cup game didn't it?)
 

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Well I certainly agree Pope should have been sent off, that was clear-cut. Perhaps the officials were lenient because he has just come off a suspension for a silly sending-off that might have made the Carabou Cup much trickier for you the other week (yes I know Casemiro was also recently red-carded, but his suspension ended before the cup game didn't it?)
No wonder the game’s fecked if that’s even close to their reasoning. But I agree that referees are driven by media narratives and giving something for United is likely to keep your name in the press for weeks whereas giving multiple decisions against United and abusing the VAR protocol doesn’t even get you on the highlights segment after the game.

But like I said. Out of all the incidents of the weekend, the biggest mistake was definitely not the fact that Casemiro’s tackle was punished with a yellow card. It’s quite obvious that another tackle where studs make contact with a leg that isn’t even punished with a foul is a bigger error than Casemiro, yet he’s the one getting singled out again, just a month after getting singled out for raising his hands to an opponent when other players did the same without VAR stepping in. If I was Casemiro, I’d definitely feel unfairly singled out by referees in the PL, wouldn’t you?
 

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Lads I have to admit I didn’t see a bit of yesterdays game and am not up to date on Taylor or his performance as a ref. Just wanted to say I was listening to radio ( Newstalk Off the Ball show) here in Dublin this pm and one of the presenters stated that Taylor’s treatment at the hands of reporters who are on the Man United beat online has been disgraceful?
I can’t recall the guys name who made this comment but it seems pretty outlandish? He as good as said the reporters were United fans too.
 

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I have just seen (on Newsnight) that Rishi Sunak is a Southampton fan.... just saying!

P.S. I noticed Leicester lost on Saturday (with Lineker in the crowd) were there any dodgy decisions in that game too !!!!
 

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Baffling that someone who lives 15 minutes from Old Trafford is allowed to ref our games, no matter what team he “supposedly” supports.
 

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If you can’t tackle from difficult positions then how you ever going to win the ball back. If you don’t like tackles watch indoor football. Don’t turn football into a new sport.
 

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Baffling that someone who lives 15 minutes from Old Trafford is allowed to ref our games, no matter what team he “supposedly” supports.
Yeah it's actually unfair on him too as he constantly has his integrity questioned by being labelled a united fan. Similar to Howard Webb he probably ends up subconsciously going the other way to give us absolutely nothing
 

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All the clubs he's officiated 20+ times. On the other hand he does award us a lot of penalties. But he certainly does enjoy booking our players more so than any other team. He also seems to target Arsenal with a much higher number of sending offs.

ClubBookings PGDiffOpposition Bookings PG
Man Utd2.1-1.01.1
Stoke City2.2-0.51.7
West Ham1.9-0.41.4
Newcastle1.40.01.3
Leicester1.70.01.7
Tottenham1.80.01.8
Crystal Palace1.90.02.0
Southampton1.30.01.4
Chelsea2.10.12.2
Everton1.70.11.8
Man City1.50.21.8
Aston Villa1.80.32.1
Liverpool1.60.42.1
Arsenal1.60.52.1
West Brom1.40.51.9

*PG = Per Game
 

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Well I certainly agree Pope should have been sent off, that was clear-cut. Perhaps the officials were lenient because he has just come off a suspension for a silly sending-off that might have made the Carabou Cup much trickier for you the other week (yes I know Casemiro was also recently red-carded, but his suspension ended before the cup game didn't it?)
Peak Arse fan logic.
 

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I don't know about biasness, but for the Case incident as soon as he was called to look at the VAR, there was only going to be one outcome. He had already seen the incident live and deemed that it only warrants a yellow. But when called to the see the VAR replay, he was put under immense pressure to change his decision as the VAR ref disagreed with him. It would take a lot of conviction to stand his ground, while changing it to red was always going to be the easier way out
 

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Well I certainly agree Pope should have been sent off, that was clear-cut. Perhaps the officials were lenient because he has just come off a suspension for a silly sending-off that might have made the Carabou Cup much trickier for you the other week (yes I know Casemiro was also recently red-carded, but his suspension ended before the cup game didn't it?)
That’s a dumb ass logic and it the ref really thought that way he should be fired.
 

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What penalty decision?
Against City, penalty converted by Martial. Remember? Another one is against Palace, plus the one from Everton in FA.

I only count those converted, not those missed. I also exclude Europa, and any potential PK claim against us that was not awarded.
 

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All the clubs he's officiated 20+ times. On the other hand he does award us a lot of penalties. But he certainly does enjoy booking our players more so than any other team. He also seems to target Arsenal with a much higher number of sending offs.

ClubBookings PGDiffOpposition Bookings PG
Man Utd2.1-1.01.1
Stoke City2.2-0.51.7
West Ham1.9-0.41.4
Newcastle1.40.01.3
Leicester1.70.01.7
Tottenham1.80.01.8
Crystal Palace1.90.02.0
Southampton1.30.01.4
Chelsea2.10.12.2
Everton1.70.11.8
Man City1.50.21.8
Aston Villa1.80.32.1
Liverpool1.60.42.1
Arsenal1.60.52.1
West Brom1.40.51.9


*PG = Per Game
This should need explaining. Over a handful of games it’s questionable. Over a large sample size it’s shocking. Especially when you consider that we are not now, nor have we ever been a dirty team.
 

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Say what you will but the tackling on Garnacho was the more dangerous one. Similar ones have already several times been the reason for serious injuries.
Both were not done with the intention to hurt the opposition but were rather ruthless with the ball played first.
Either give 2 reds or none.
 

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Now, I'm not saying he's biased... but here is his PL stats officiating United and Liverpool.
Club​
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Yellow​
Orange​
Red​
Pens For​
Liverpool​
50​
82​
1​
1​
11​
Manchester United​
38​
80​
0​
3​
9​

Opposition Stats:

Club​
Yellow​
Orange​
Red​
Pens For​
Liverpool's Opponents​
103​
0​
4​
6​
Manchester United Opponents​
42​
1​
0​
2​


So Liverpool have been given 82 yellow cards in 50 games with 2 sending offs but their opponents have had 103 with 4 sending offs.
United however have been given 80 yellow cards in 38 games with 3 sending offs but our opponents have had 42 yellows and 1 sending off.
This is actually great investigative stats. He's bent as feck and it gets more believable with numbers
 

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It’s the same thing. Coming into a tackle aiming for the top of the ball knowing you’ll be able to claim it was a fair challenge while also knowing there’s a good chance of wrecking the opposition player. I don’t think there was any intent from Cas but the recklessness was exactly the same.
I dunno if he aimed for the top of the ball but I get your point
 

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It’s the same thing. Coming into a tackle aiming for the top of the ball knowing you’ll be able to claim it was a fair challenge while also knowing there’s a good chance of wrecking the opposition player. I don’t think there was any intent from Cas but the recklessness was exactly the same.
The action Casemiro used was way more of a block than a tackle. He stayed on his feet and stumped down on the ball. He was very unfortunate, but his message wasn’t really dangerous at all as he never had any of his body weight behind it. Unlike Dan Burns
 

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Now, I'm not saying he's biased... but here is his PL stats officiating United and Liverpool.
Club​
Games Officiated​
Yellow​
Orange​
Red​
Pens For​
Liverpool​
50​
82​
1​
1​
11​
Manchester United​
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80​
0​
3​
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Opposition Stats:

Club​
Yellow​
Orange​
Red​
Pens For​
Liverpool's Opponents​
103​
0​
4​
6​
Manchester United Opponents​
42​
1​
0​
2​


So Liverpool have been given 82 yellow cards in 50 games with 2 sending offs but their opponents have had 103 with 4 sending offs.
United however have been given 80 yellow cards in 38 games with 3 sending offs but our opponents have had 42 yellows and 1 sending off.
Bloody hell. I hate it when fans moan about corruption but those stats are crazy.

Although if those are recent stats couldn’t they be explained by Liverpool usually being by far the better team in each game he officiated? Opposition teams are more likely to concede fouls/yellow cards when they’re being given the runaround. United will have been nowhere near as dominant over that same period.
 

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Against City, penalty converted by Martial. Remember? Another one is against Palace, plus the one from Everton in FA.

I only count those converted, not those missed. I also exclude Europa, and any potential PK claim against us that was not awarded.
We've had two penalties in the league this season, both were penalties and one was only given despite being blatant after VAR intervention. On the other hand we've probably had 8-10 stone wall penalties waved away with some not even reviewed.

So I don't think we're getting favoured in terms of penalties.
 

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United have forever been treated on a different pedestal in the prem.

leveraged buyout, banned post United being bought.

Rio missed a drug test 12 month ban.

Oil club are ok all round but not United how dare they compete on an even playing field.

Liverpool marched around in shirts supporting a racist, if we did the same…

Shamed for missing the FA cup even though we were encouraged to go to the club world championship.

Forever been held to a higher standard then any other team.
 
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9 penalties awarded to the opponents 2. A lot of confirmation bias.
Penalties are far more objective than yellow cards, especially with VAR.

You would expect a team like United to get more penalties because of playing fast skillful players and being an attacking team.

Yellow cards are often marginal and subjective so seeing such a statistical difference requires an explanation.
 

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Penalties are far more objective than yellow cards, especially with VAR.

You would expect a team like United to get more penalties because of playing fast skillful players and being an attacking team.

Yellow cards are often marginal and subjective so seeing such a statistical difference requires an explanation.
Do you have the self awareness to see what you’re doing here? Attach great importance to the evidence that supports your view, explain away the evidence that doesn’t support your view, and voila, a cast iron case!
 
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