I can't stand how obnoxious Arsenal fans are but personally I'd much rather them than City and I've always considered Arsenal a great club historically (unlike City).
Yeah, Arsenal are a massive club historically but they've always been pretty wretched in Europe. Their fans always go on about the Invincibles being the best side ever but they won the league once, didn't even defend their league title, and did feck all in Europe. I don't think Patrick Vieira ever made it past the quarter final of the champions league in his career I think. Even their great 98 team sucked in Europe.
It's all in the wording I don't think he meant they won every competition all the time. But they won they've won the League, FA Cup, League Cup, Champions League, Uefa Super Cup, Club World Cup the past 5 years.
With Super Cup being against a Europa cup winner.
Come on now, I can't stand Arsenal, but of course they are way ahead of schedule, they shouldn't even be anywhere near the title with their squad.
THis ^
Arteta has had 4 years to build a squad yet I’m supposed to believe poor Arsenal are struggling to get by and don’t have the squad to play more than a game a week or compete?
Again, I think the point was not about number of times they've won each trophy, is that they at least have won each trophy. Think the only 1 they haven't won that they've been in is the Europa League when they lost in the final in Klopps first season.
I don't think anyone is saying he hasn't had time or money. It's just that, like most clubs, to continually improve, he needs more time and more money.
How much more time does he need then? He’s on four years now and I’m being told he’s massively ahead of schedule yet the squad is still weak and can’t play more than once a week.
This post seems to lack some context and hard data. Yes, Arteta has had time and that's been great. And he has received some backing but I think anyone that believes this young squad was ready to compete for multiple trophies is arrogant, delusional, or just opposition fans having some banter.
What does this hard data show though?
He's actually just now over 3 years, but I suppose that's not the point. These teamlines like 'being ahead of schedule' are all subjective I suppose, everyone will have a different opinion.
What manager?
I think this is fair and well balanced.
I already stated it in the post you quoted. That despite some investment, the resources in Arsenal's squad now are still far behind the other top teams. United, Chelsea, and probably City pay more than twice as much in wages as the current Arsenal squad. Chelsea, City, and United have all spent over 350 million more to build squads..
I don't see this unless you're thinking of Arsenal fans elsewhere and not the ones posting here.
I don't think it's necessarily arrogance, just prioritisng. There's teams that fight relegation and haven't won a cup in years rest and rotate, there's teams in the Championship even doing it now. Spurs even do it ffs!
I appreciate it suits your argument to show cumulative spending over many years but yor data would be more worthwhile and relevant to the point if it showed what each manager had currently spent and invested.
I guess you’ve eluded to it but the squad not being good enough is down to mistakes made by Arteta and Edu. Not down to time and money.I don't think it's necessarily arrogance, just prioritisng. There's teams that fight relegation and haven't won a cup in years rest and rotate, there's teams in the Championship even doing it now. Spurs even do it ffs!
I also don't see it as arrogance saying your squad isnt good enough. However, I also think when most fans say that, it's in comparison to City. I think most fans of most clubs think their squad is inferior to City's in terms of depth.
I also think it depends on the circumstance. Away at City in the league cup, I wasn't so bothered with. Yesterday, I'd have preferred we went out to win the game then make subs if you are in a comfortable position. In saying that, I don't think it was a weak team. I just think they didn't perform. But I suppose how do you know players like Vieira aren't quite good enough yet unless you play them? It's a difficult one, and I suppose why they get paid big money to make big decisions.
My only point is that I don't believe this current squad is capable of competing and winning multiple trophies and the data absolutely supports that this squad does not yet have the investment as other squads. I don't think it's relevant to only look at the money spent by the current manager to judge squad depth and competitive strength for all competitions because the current manager is not limited to only using players bought during his tenure.
In part, yes. But give a manager more time, and more money, and he gets more of the players he wants will always be the argument.
Let them enjoy their Leicester season, they'll back to plodding for Top 4 next year.
Drop down to be your league rivals again?
Loving these 2 points in the context of the post.
If you are talking about a manager and their rebuild then the money they have spent, and been allowed to spend, is what’s relevant. Not wasted money from failed regimes before.
I'm talking about the overall issue of whether it's realistic to expect Arsenal, this year, to be all in for the EL and the PL and why a lot of fans value the PL race more than cups - because if someone believes their team can't realistically compete for multiple trophies then its logical to focus on the most valuable trophy that feels possible to win.
You came on talking about Arsenal fans thinking "cups are beneath them" without quoting any posts or providing any examples that anyone actually thinks that. So yes, you are talking shit.
My mistake. I thought we were talking about actual Arsenal fans, not self-serving attention junkies that are cnuts that crave negative attention from opposition fans to fuel their ego.
Thing is, a number of us have this experience with “real” Arse fans
March 17th 2023, it's finally official.
that is possibly the most accurate description of that cretin i have ever read. Fair play.You already made this "joke" before, it wasn't funny then, it still isn't now. Keep trying to figure it out though, still more interesting that the usual nonsense you type in this thread.
You’re using cumulative spending on players and wages which are irrelevant to what was being discussed.
Obviously you wouldn’t find it funny. The fact it’s rattled you (again) though has made me smile!You already made this "joke" before, it wasn't funny then, it still isn't now. Keep trying to figure it out though, still more interesting that the usual nonsense you type in this thread.
Happy to help brighten your mood, must be tough waking up in your shoes everyday. Smile away !Obviously you wouldn’t find it funny. The fact it’s rattled you (again) though has made me smile!
As you are
Nah not tough at all. Especially when you consider how some people are really struggling at the moment. I’m pretty privileged in that regard.Happy to help brighten your mood, must be tough waking up in your shoes everyday. Smile away !
