Except his Dad who is a key person in his bid was the PM but other than that yeah I mean nothing whatsoever to do with the state and their actionsNot sure which countries don't have thousands of deaths behind its wealth and prohibitive laws for gay people and women at some point in time?
What has that got to do with the Qatari bidders anyways? Is this Sheikh Jassim guy imparting these rules? Was he responsible for these deaths? Or shall we just lump them all together. Qataris are all one and the same.
Casual racism at its finest.
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Hmm, dips his toes in..
Just couldn’t help himself…
Precisely.Exactly what?
Oh feck me, you got caught in a lie trying to play a silly beggars racist card because your actual argument held no weight. Just hold your hands up manState backed financially
The moral high ground doesn't do anything for me as a football fan man. This is what it comes down to for me.
I'm not going to try to claim that the US/UK are as bad as Qatar or draw some false equivalence between governments. I'm not going to try to claim that Qatar is somewhere where LGBTQ people etc. are not oppressed. I'm not going to try to pretend that this isn't a state backed bid and it's just some random rich dude. I am well aware of all of that.
At the same time though, life is hard enough for me as it is. Football is one of a few escapes from real life that actually helps. Watching United do well makes me happy and helps. Watching United be crap, as we have been since the great man retired, does not help. That's all it comes down to for me really. I don't care about the moral high ground, or what other fans think or any of that. I have enough going on that I can't shoulder the problems of the rest of the world as well. When it comes to United, I want to see the club doing well on the field. That's what it comes down to for me. I can and do intend to separate the two.
Rather impressive putting words in people’s mouths and talking down to them at the same time, but not as impressive as your ability to narrow down your outrage and expand your sanctimony to the point of parody. You can have your opinion over who you do or do not want to own Manchester United and nobody can tell you you’re wrong, but the fact that you’ve managed to convince yourself you give a flying crap about a vulnerable population is absolutely laughable considering what your and my governments have done to vulnerable populations in the Middle East. GTF off your high horse already.
Yeah that I 100% get. Fair play mate, I get it completely.
I literally campaign and protest against my government regularly.
I’m not sure how on Earth you could not find it infinitely more enjoyable to win a league like Arsenal may this season, as opposed to winning it by throwing bottomless pits of money at the likes of Haaland and cheating ffp to get there.
Each to their own though. One isn’t sport, it’s a boring as feck inevitability.
Maybe it’s because I stood in the stretty watching us win the title after almost 3 decades of waiting and know exact how that feels, as opposed to the dogshit of watching City spend and spend and spend on replicating Barca for eventual inevitable success. Bore off with that utter shite none sport.
Yeah man as I alluded to in my other reply to you, that's what it comes down to for me. I can separate the two, just because I have enough going on as it is. I'm not going to try lying to myself about what this is, or what it's based on or anything like that. In a similar vein I can definitely see why other people might not be able to separate the two and this would be very difficult for them.
I was in that position once upon a time. I think it was 2018 or 2019 when the initial rumors of SA trying to take us over came up and I was 100% against it. It's been a long, not always pleasant road from that point to where I am now, but I accept that this is where I am now. It may very well be a selfish position to take up, but I'm not going to try to claim that it's anything but that.
I protested the Iraqi war and marched in a pride parade in Kansas City fecking Missouri. This doesn’t mean I get to talk down to people that feel positively about the ownership change.
Yeah man. Equally, I fully understand the points that you've been putting across.
Yeah. Human beings are always going to be somewhat selfish. I get that, I don’t always do perfectly well. To me, I’ve always had a very romantic view of football that I will find hard to reconcile.
If you’ll notice, there is someone who wants the ownership change I’m in a great convo with now.
The person I’m giving shit to tried to call me racist before I showed he has the exact opposite points a few weeks ago. Those people get no respect because they have none for themselves.
Well to be fair we've never actually been here so I can't really say for certain how it'll feel. In my mind I don't think I'll feel any different though
Unless there’s some information we’re not privy to about finances, someone would have to a special level of dumb to run a drift of FFP with United. It’s not impossible, but they’d have to spend obscene amounts of money.
Kansas City isn't in Kansas?
Good post. Where I am at too.
It's in Kansas and Missouri. Kansas City, KS and Kansas City, MO.
If Qatar wins the bid, there won't be an endless pot of money that people seem to think there will be. FFP won't allow it. Would be nice to look forward to having a stadium not flooded with piss though.Well to be fair we've never actually been here so I can't really say for certain how it'll feel. In my mind I don't think I'll feel any different though
Do you go regularly?
I'm not even pro ME. I just want to see the glazers out of the club.
But I find it hilarious how we have quite a few human rights, LGBTQ, corruption, terrorism, labor rights etc. crusaders on these forums.
I wonder if you will stick around should the Qatar bid come through?
Surely you would stop supporting the club, watching/attending matches and buying any merchandise?
You wouldn't want to be caught dead supporting an authoritarian state in any form now would you? At least that's what we've all garnered from your months of rhetoric on this thread.
Or will you just be a big hypocrite and continue on as if nothing happened? Genuinely interested in what you would do.
And NO. Im not winding you up.
Yes that’s literally what I’ve said. I’d find it hard to support the club as I wouldn’t want to support a regime that goes against my principles.
Yeah I totally get that. Football means different things for different people.
For what its worth, while Qatar is my preference in terms of the options on offer, if it ends up being someone like JR I'm not going to be losing any sleep over it. Anyone but the Glazers or the hedge fund types like Elliot is great with me, once the Glazers are gone.
Excellent post. Sums up my feelings around the club becoming a state owned plaything very accurately.
So you'd be gone? From supporting United. From ever watching a match or attending one. From this forum?
I wouldn’t go. I imagine I’d move to watching Didsbury or Wythenshawe. Maybe some of the local teams I’ve worked with in the past.
FFP is a joke. They’re about to double the amount of loss you’re allowed to accumulate and allow clubs with guaranteed financial security to spend even more on top of that.
So you wouldn't go. Despite our new owners representing everything you claim to loathe and hate.
Would you protest at the matches against the new owners?
What the feck are you on about?
I’m worried you’re trying to catch me out in some kind of hypocrisy to make you feel better aboht you calling me a racist about five posts ago for you despite making the same argument you were.
You’ve lost here. You’re not going to sway anyone’s mind. You’ve been shown to use the racism card to deflect from your horrendous arguments. You’re not a good person.
Also a great post. Even if I don’t share this view, I think a fan is perfectly entitled to it.
Right, thank you.
Well it goes from 30m Eur loss over 3 years to 60m Eur. Not a significant amount given how much transfer fees are.
Regardless, United would be restrained from spending significantly more than anyone else in a league that has City, Newcastle and Todd Boehly.
Dearie me.
You've lost the plot.
Going to be interesting to see how you support the club if the Qatar bidders are chosen. I wonder whos the horrible person supporting the authoritarian regime?
Oh the hypocrisy. Its all fun and games until it starts to affect you personally. Then all of a sudden you're not so much the moral crusader.
Again.Dearie me.
You've lost the plot.
Going to be interesting to see how you support the club if the Qatar bidders are chosen. I wonder whos the horrible person supporting the authoritarian regime?
What has that got to do with the Qatari bidders anyways? Is this Sheikh Jassim guy imparting these rules? Was he responsible for these deaths? Or shall we just lump them all together. Qataris are all one and the same.
Casual racism at its finest.
A mate of mine who used to post here said this.
I said I'd have to rethink "football" if those cnuts, the Glazers, sell us to a State owned operation.
The 9-2 foundation is a shell that was set up four months ago and has never spent one cent philanthropically or charitably at the time of their bid. We are supposed to think this guy is a fan but couldn't even be bothered to come and see something he reportedly loves and wants to spunk £6bn on … right!
I've started seeing lots of comments from new faces on channels like Stretford Paddock etc just saying "Qatar all the way" and "I'm with the Qatari's" these are all new faces I've not seen before from accounts that have been set up since February and suspiciously Qatar is spelled correctly in every one unlike the comments that are against the sale to the Evil Nation State who mostly use a "U" in there somewhere!
I think the rumour that the Qatari bid was leading only comes from SKY and ESPN who both love to report anything that makes United look bad, because they got the tour of the facilities before Sir Jim.
Also the sale to Sir Jim will not load more debt onto the club, he's said that definitively so that rumour is invalid too.
The Glazers will want to feck us going out so I wouldn't put it past them for their last move to be a sale to a concern that they know the fan base is against as it makes them look not so bad in comparison.
As badly run as the Glazer reign has been they are not murderers and human rights abusers and we still resemble a football club not like PSG who are a fecking circus!
We'll have to wait with baited breath … unless you've got £6bn hidden down the back of the sofa.
United is my club and will remain so for as long as I live.
I'm surprised many Mancunians cannot look past the money. We finally have got a manager worthy to step into Fergie's shoes. All a new owner needs to do is support his ideas. Players, staff training and development which will strengthen us long term.
Once these people buy the club, they can do anything with it. It becomes an asset in their books.
Most of us wanted the Glazers gone because they were killing the club financially.
These people will tear out the soul of the club.
I said I'd have to rethink "football" if those cnuts, the Glazers, sell us to a State owned operation.
The 9-2 foundation is a shell that was set up four months ago and has never spent one cent philanthropically or charitably at the time of their bid. We are supposed to think this guy is a fan but couldn't even be bothered to come and see something he reportedly loves and wants to spunk £6bn on … right!
I've started seeing lots of comments from new faces on channels like Stretford Paddock etc just saying "Qatar all the way" and "I'm with the Qatari's" these are all new faces I've not seen before from accounts that have been set up since February and suspiciously Qatar is spelled correctly in every one unlike the comments that are against the sale to the Evil Nation State who mostly use a "U" in there somewhere!
I think the rumour that the Qatari bid was leading only comes from SKY and ESPN who both love to report anything that makes United look bad, because they got the tour of the facilities before Sir Jim.
Also the sale to Sir Jim will not load more debt onto the club, he's said that definitively so that rumour is invalid too.
The Glazers will want to feck us going out so I wouldn't put it past them for their last move to be a sale to a concern that they know the fan base is against as it makes them look not so bad in comparison.
As badly run as the Glazer reign has been they are not murderers and human rights abusers and we still resemble a football club not like PSG who are a fecking circus!
We'll have to wait with baited breath … unless you've got £6bn hidden down the back of the sofa.
United is my club and will remain so for as long as I live.
I'm surprised many Mancunians cannot look past the money. We finally have got a manager worthy to step into Fergie's shoes. All a new owner needs to do is support his ideas. Players, staff training and development which will strengthen us long term.
Once these people buy the club, they can do anything with it. It becomes an asset in their books.
Most of us wanted the Glazers gone because they were killing the club financially.
These people will tear out the soul of the club.
Someone can't differentiate between state backed and state owned.
But I suppose it doesn't matter to you does it? You'll still be supporting this authoritarian corrupt terrorist state via our club? No?
But what about in 2023?Not sure which countries don't have thousands of deaths behind its wealth and prohibitive laws for gay people and women at some point in time?
What has that got to do with the Qatari bidders anyways? Is this Sheikh Jassim guy imparting these rules? Was he responsible for these deaths? Or shall we just lump them all together. Qataris are all one and the same.
Casual racism at its finest.
Do you believe this isn't a state bid?
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Fantastic post from someone who loves the club.
Not only do I know a few Chelsea fans that do feel like that (or at least consider the Vialli era their personal epoch - which may just be late 30s nostalgia tbf) it’s also very different, as Chelsea fans hadn’t spent the preceding decade insisting that their money & success was a product of their history & status, and therefore entirely earned. Something United fans have been doing - justifiably so (or so we thought) - in direct opposition to the Citys, Chelseas & PSGs.
I mean the reason Liverpool’s one meagre title has been celebrated so much (to the point of us ridiculing it) is because they are perceived to have done it properly, against the grain of the sugar daddy clubs, who are frequently complaining that their achievements aren’t being given enough credit (in not just every other Bluemoon post, but every other actual Pep press conference!!)
Fair play if you genuinely don’t mind moving from the former category into the latter, but again, I’m sceptical that as many people are quite as blase as they claim, as otherwise they’d just admit they only want a big sexy sugar daddy state to come in and buy us Mpabbe and make us the only team that wins anything forever… and they wouldn’t bother with all the excuses. Because who cares if it’s actually the state if all you care about is the winning? Just say “So what? Bring on the unfair advantage! …We deserve it for suffering through a ‘banter era’ where we’ve still won more than 90% of football fans can ever dream of”
And genuinely, it’s that hypocrisy that annoys me… I don’t have issue with people who are open about how shit this all is, but willing to embrace it honestly as a compromised but least worst option (I think @Revan made a good post along those lines, which I had no reason to contest)… but the “actually we’re not hypocrites” and the “hooray for the black oil shirts” crowds can swivel.
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