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All woke people better make sure they stop supporting United if Qatar ends up being successful in acquiring Manchester United.

Else, all this moaning is nothing but a true reflection on you as individuals. If you truly believe in what you think, please don’t be hypocritical by keeping supporting a team owned by “murderous” regime.

Don’t be like those who went to play or watch the WC in Qatar while posting about abuse of human rights online.

Thank you
Owners come and go, it’s irrelevant who owns the club when it comes supporting it. I’m pro Qatar, and never will ask people who are against them owning the club to stop supporting.
 

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e) literally have someone from Saudi Arabia posting about how proud they were of their increased connection to United and then getting angry about people from Manchester saying they’re better connected to United for their locality.
@Wumminator You're trying to be slick again with this comment playing the victim. :lol:

You belittled me as supporter of this club just because I'm not from Manchester. There's no coming back from that. It's a disgusting attitude to be shown to your fellow United fan and you should be ashamed of yourself.
 

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If people don’t want murderers and people who are homophobic and misogynistic running the club, can you please listen to them and respect their views.
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and stop with the homophobia and racism. We can not let this become acceptable, we as a club should fight for the oppressed.
In my book this is to cross a line.

If I was from Qatar or that region and if I was a Muslim I would be extremely offended by comments like this.

Wumminator has every right to be upset or disappointed and to defend his/her moral beliefs but it could have been done in a better and more appropriate way.
 

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@Wumminator You're trying to be slick again with this comment playing the victim. :lol:

You belittled me as supporter of this club just because I'm not from Manchester. There's no coming back from that. It's a disgusting attitude to be shown to your fellow United fan and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Participating in an online brawl is useless and fruitless. The ignore button is there for a reason. Use it brother and find peace.
 

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I'm patiently waiting for the next cycle of 2-3 pages of calm takeover discussion, all too fleeting before then descending into a 20-page trainwreck.
 

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@Wumminator You're trying to be slick again with this comment playing the victim. :lol:

You belittled me as supporter of this club just because I'm not from Manchester. There's no coming back from that. It's a disgusting attitude to be shown to your fellow United fan and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Get over yourself, FFS
 

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Not gonna lie it does feel like sometimes there's a double standard for wumminator. He's had a lot of shockers in this thread alone - generalizing people from ME, baiting people to get angry, arguing and that is on top of wumming in other threads, sometimes he does it blatantly to get reactions (key point, why is this allowed?) but he never seems to get warning points? surely wumming is frowned upon in this forum? there's a point where it stops being funny. I think if other poster did it they would have gotten warning points because some have received them for a lot less.
 
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If we're hell bent on calling Jassims bid the "Qatar" bid then isn't it fair to then stop calling the other one SJR's bid when it's infact INEOS bidding?

As it stands it's officially Sheikh Jassim Vs INEOS despite the fact we're sure it's a state backed bid.
 

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In my book this is to cross a line.

If I was from Qatar or that region and if I was a Muslim I would be extremely offended by comments like this.

Wumminator has every right to be upset or disappointed and to defend his/her moral beliefs but it could have been done in a better and more appropriate way.
It is such a stupid argument. We have US owners, how much evil and death have they brought to the world? Or the investment banks that lend that money?
 

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Not gonna lie it does feel like sometimes there's a double standard for wumminator. He's had a lot of shockers in this thread alone - generalizing people from ME, baiting people to get angry, arguing and that is on top of wumming in other threads, sometimes he does it blatantly to get reactions but he never seems to get warning points? surely wumming is frowned upon in this forum? there's a point where it stops being funny. I think if other poster did it they would have gotten warning points because some have received them for a lot less.
Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.
 

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American publications have a bad human rights record in the middle east?
American and british, even some of the lefty british media were advocating the war on Iraq. I have zero respect to those two countries media. They were dancing to the tone of war that ruined the lives of millions.
 

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https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20211203-uks-new-gas-saviour-during-supply-crunch-is-qatar/

"The Gulf state already has $50 billion of investments in Britain and delivers 90 per cent of Britain's imports of liquefied natural gas, according to Qatar's Ministry of Energy. According to a report published by Financial Times, last month, Downing Street initiated LNG diplomacy talks with their Qatari counterparts on diverting four energy tankers to Britain."


Kudos to those principled people who want to boycott United if a Qatari/Qatar are successful in an ethical/principled stance. I think the boycott should also extend to using electricity and gas in their homes.
 

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https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20211203-uks-new-gas-saviour-during-supply-crunch-is-qatar/

"The Gulf state already has $50 billion of investments in Britain and delivers 90 per cent of Britain's imports of liquefied natural gas, according to Qatar's Ministry of Energy. According to a report published by Financial Times, last month, Downing Street initiated LNG diplomacy talks with their Qatari counterparts on diverting four energy tankers to Britain."


Kudos to those principled people who want to boycott United if a Qatari/Qatar are successful in an ethical/principled stance. I think the boycott should also extend to using electricity and gas in their homes.
superior supporters don't need electricity and gas.
 

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Watched it and his nothing to do with what I asked. I don't understand why there is this much song and dance for a simple question. If you don't or can't answer it that's fine too.
If you watched it and can't understand it, then you also will not understand a simple answer. Which is fine.
 

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All the media folk saying - “Manchester United as an institution will fall if Qatar buys the club” - are being facetious. Everyone loves Roman right? Turns out he was an oligarch who’s buddies with Putin, who by the way enjoys murdering Ukrainians. Now I know it’s not that simple… and same is the case with any views on the PCness of Qatar. I have family who live there - we are not Muslims, but we do not feel as though an overlord state is running every inch of their lives drenched in propaganda of homophobia and forced labour. It is true that the inherent nature of the culture and the religion might have something to do with it but that is the world and peoples across it are different. It’s also true that people died making those stadiums, and it’s horrendous. But if we were to take a country’s human rights record and apply that to its citizens many European nations will fail the test.

The West had time to reform when they were the overlords. Many of the owners who held early ownership of popular American sports teams - some even today - explicitly believe that black people are inferior. In those days, some were even accepted! A blind eye turned. Society was not ready for change.

Morality of ownership is not black and white. There’s blood in every country’s hands. You ask certain nations in the world what they think of America and I mean normal folk who live in autocratic states who’ve gone to war with America and they’ll tell you of the Drone strikes that killed their family. These are crude and crass examples but there is truth in it and the nuances are far more complex.
 

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Thing is devilish we all are hypocrites it's just matter of scale .
Its hilarious to see the citizens of a country who became rich by literally colonising/ruin half the world and is now the hot bed of ME investors and oligarchs pointing the finger at Qatar 'corruption'. Its the same country who keep voting to the thieving Tory Party ie the party of the tax evaders again and again. I wonder what would happen to the UK economy if these demonised ME/oligarchs had to pull all their investments out of the UK and these countries refuse to sell anything to the UK.

But hey each for his own. At least we're all genuine United fans who love the club. Imagine if we were some moralist journalist whose teaching us morals while working for a Russian Oligarch and a ME investor close to the Saudi family.
 

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So according to Kaveh the Qatari delegates where focusing quite s bit on our youth team and women's team and want to invest heavily in to them as well.
All very good signs. Invest in the youth and facilities and let the club use its own revenue to buy players.
 

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Its hilarious to see the citizens of a country who became rich by literally colonising/ruin half the world and is now the hot bed of ME investors and oligarchs pointing the finger at Qatar 'corruption'. Its the same country who keep voting to the thieving Tory Party ie the party of the tax evaders again and again. I wonder what would happen to the UK economy if these demonised ME/oligarchs had to pull all their investments out of the UK and these countries refuse to sell anything to the UK.
The thing is that in the West there is a time bar to crimes against humanity. Slavery... too long ago that its doesn't count. Even Jim Crow's law which was within a generation ago has been conveniently swept under the rug. An illegal war, just 20 years ago doesn't even count in any discussion of morality any more. Happened before many were born.

Time bar = whataboutism here.
 

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Its hilarious to see the citizens of a country who became rich by literally colonising/ruin half the world and is now the hot bed of ME investors and oligarchs pointing the finger at Qatar 'corruption'. Its the same country who keep voting to the thieving Tory Party ie the party of the tax evaders again and again. I wonder what would happen to the UK economy if these demonised ME/oligarchs had to pull all their investments out of the UK and these countries refuse to sell anything to the UK.
is this literally you posting a load of horrendous anti Islamic messages and explaining why comparing this with the western powers is nonsense?
the only difference between them and the Islamic fundamentalists is that they dont place bombs on buses and kill hundreds of innocents + there are no RR countries in the world and they were the Westerners had done their best to destroy such parties. Cannot say the same about the Muslims who wouldnt even dream to oppose countries like Saudi Arabia were whoever is caught carrying more than 2 bibles can risk to be sentenced to death.


But thats a small difference am I right?
Let make things clear, I have critised the US in the past and Israel in the past but

a) Until the Muslim communities residing in Europe and the US call the West them rather then we

b) Unless they dont search and report those who spread hatred in the Mosques etc.

c) Unless (this is for the Muslims living in Muslim states) you permit terrorist cells like Hamas to roam free in their country, and restrict the rights to those with a difficult culture and religion then yours (can you imagine what you would say if one day Blair issue a law where you cannot have a Koran in England?)

d) Unless you start fighting terrorism rather then simply issue the usual BS

e) Unless you fight those with such evil mentality rather than accusing the west for doing this

Unless you do all this then dont condemn those who question whether you are at our side or not in this war against terrorism.

We had our World War II we fought it and we have won it. Now its the time that you fight your own war. The time is ripe to stand up and be counted.
Well Im sorry but there are things that you can do and that is by reporting all those who promote Islamic fundamentalism, promote tolerance amongst your communities and deflect critism against the West in the same way our politicians are trying to deflect critism upon you.

Islam is your religion and you have the duty to keep its reputation intact. If you think that the Europeans will accept this situation and will not try to find ways to solve this problem once and for all in the name of political correctness then think again. It will come a time when the Europeans will get sick of hearing the usual BS, they will get sick of watching their children die in the name of Islam etc etc etc. Its a fact that Radical Right groups are on the rise and with every terroristic attack, they are getting stronger and stronger. I dread the moment that these muppets end up leading Europe but if it things remain in this way it will happen for the simple reason that in Europe living in a safe world is not considered as a luxury but as a right to fight for.
 

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It's been three and a bit years, :lol: PSG are a decade ahead of Nice, they weren't likely to compete straight away!
I get fans want instant gratification, but that really isn't possible!
I'd say Nice are now on the right path with steady progress being made.

Not really sure I understand the greenwashing element, as INEOs are already introducing several aspects which reduce their environmental impact.
What do they have to gain in terms of greenwashing from owning a football club where football is already under scrutiny for being carbon heavy and having a detrimental impact on the environment?

Again, of you'd actually read my post you'd see I stipulated every bid is from a business person.
I stated: All bids are from business people, people that will want to make money from this venture.

Please read properly next time.
Well, if you're going to claim to do something, do it. Before the INEOS takeover, Nice were more competitive towards winning the league than they have been post the takeover. Surely, they should have progressed in their pursuit of PSG, and not regressed? :)

A quick simple search on Google will show you why Greenwashing is important to INEOS. Not open and honest as they claim to be.

Yes, so, if the bid is from businessmen, that also applies to SJR. Don't make it sound as though it's only Jassim that line is exclusive, too.

Read all your post clearly this time, did I? Haha.
 

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Not gonna lie it does feel like sometimes there's a double standard for wumminator. He's had a lot of shockers in this thread alone - generalizing people from ME, baiting people to get angry, arguing and that is on top of wumming in other threads, sometimes he does it blatantly to get reactions (key point, why is this allowed?) but he never seems to get warning points? surely wumming is frowned upon in this forum? there's a point where it stops being funny. I think if other poster did it they would have gotten warning points because some have received them for a lot less.
And then we have a mod reacting to his post with a laughing emoji
 

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is this literally you posting a load of horrendous anti Islamic messages and explaining why comparing this with the western powers is nonsense?
What's exactly is wrong in all I said Oh superior one?
 

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https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20211203-uks-new-gas-saviour-during-supply-crunch-is-qatar/

"The Gulf state already has $50 billion of investments in Britain and delivers 90 per cent of Britain's imports of liquefied natural gas, according to Qatar's Ministry of Energy. According to a report published by Financial Times, last month, Downing Street initiated LNG diplomacy talks with their Qatari counterparts on diverting four energy tankers to Britain."


Kudos to those principled people who want to boycott United if a Qatari/Qatar are successful in an ethical/principled stance. I think the boycott should also extend to using electricity and gas in their homes.


I'm sure you're a nice person, but that's a really disingenuous line of argument.
 

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The thing is that in the West there is a time bar to crimes against humanity. Slavery... too long ago that its doesn't count. Even Jim Crow's law which was within a generation ago has been conveniently swept under the rug. An illegal war, just 20 years ago doesn't even count in any discussion of morality any more. Happened before many were born.

Time bar = whataboutism here.
True
 

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All the media folk saying - “Manchester United as an institution will fall if Qatar buys the club” - are being facetious. Everyone loves Roman right? Turns out he was an oligarch who’s buddies with Putin, who by the way enjoys murdering Ukrainians. Now I know it’s not that simple… and same is the case with any views on the PCness of Qatar. I have family who live there - we are not Muslims, but we do not feel as though an overlord state is running every inch of their lives drenched in propaganda of homophobia and forced labour. It is true that the inherent nature of the culture and the religion might have something to do with it but that is the world and peoples across it are different. It’s also true that people died making those stadiums, and it’s horrendous. But if we were to take a country’s human rights record and apply that to its citizens many European nations will fail the test.

The West had time to reform when they were the overlords. Many of the owners who held early ownership of popular American sports teams - some even today - explicitly believe that black people are inferior. In those days, some were even accepted! A blind eye turned. Society was not ready for change.

Morality of ownership is not black and white. There’s blood in every country’s hands. You ask certain nations in the world what they think of America and I mean normal folk who live in autocratic states who’ve gone to war with America and they’ll tell you of the Drone strikes that killed their family. These are crude and crass examples but there is truth in it and the nuances are far more complex.
No member of the American (or any Western Government) is currently trying to buy Manchester United. If they were and trying to use it to cleanse their image, most (if not all) would be against it. This is ultimately what we're talking about here.

The various "wars on Terror" have been horrendous and most of the people who were involved in the Iraq war should be in prison for life. As I say though, they aren't currently trying to buy MUFC. In the context of this debate, its pointless bringing it up.
 

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Well, if you're going to claim to do something, do it. Before the INEOS takeover, Nice were more competitive towards winning the league than they have been post the takeover. Surely, they should have progressed in their pursuit of PSG, and not regressed? :)

A quick simple search on Google will show you why Greenwashing is important to INEOS. Not open and honest as they claim to be.

Yes, so, if the bid is from businessmen, that also applies to SJR. Don't make it sound as though it's only Jassim that line is exclusive, too.

Read all your post clearly this time, did I? Haha.
Wider point of order. People who don't want Qatar don't all want Ratcliffe/INEOS.

You can be critical of them both. The twerking for either party is rather undignified.
 

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No member of the American (or any Western Government) is currently trying to buy Manchester United. If they were and trying to use it to cleanse their image, most (if not all) would be against it. This is ultimately what we're talking about here.

The various "wars on Terror" have been horrendous and most of the people who were involved in the Iraq war should be in prison for life. As I say though, they aren't currently trying to buy MUFC. In the context of this debate, its pointless bringing it up.
These countries has a finger in everything from hotels right to the media. They have political parties in their pockets, they supply the UK with things it can't live without (electricity and gas) and they bought the media which is far more influential then a football club. The UK/US arm these regimes to remain in place. So really what's so special in them buying football clubs? Its not as if they can't be forced to sell if the tide turns against them.
 

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Wider point of order. People who don't want Qatar don't all want Ratcliffe/INEOS.

You can be critical of them both. The twerking for either party is rather undignified.
So what do these people want exactly? Do they want Elliott? Do they want the Glazers to remain? Do they want Pope Francis to buy the club? Oh wait, the Vatican is also a state
 

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If Wumminator had responded to said supporter unprovoked then you would've had a valid point.

However that's not what happened. He hadn't been active on the thread and was then tagged (i.e. goaded) by that supporter...leading to the first derailment of the thread which included your warning.

Best to get your facts right first before wearing as a badge on honour.
Poor Wumminator being provoked and all..
 

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Fair enough yeah and the less the club have to spend on infrastructure the more money there is to spend on players.

So still not self-sufficient.
No, Manchester United is a self sufficient club, one of the very few, the club generated top 3 revenues every year without any problems, our handicap was the Glazers Ownership which saddled the club with a huge debt from their leveraged buyout debt plus them taking dividends, had the Glazers not owned us we wouldn't need huge investment to re-build the ailing infrastructure .
 

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@Wumminator stop your grandstanding and behaving in an ostentatious manner by trying to attract favourable attention. Going by your posts you are intelligent enough to better present your opposition to the purchase.

I understand people have opinions on ownership but to call Qatar a murderous nation is going too far and uncalled. I can bring up many instances where far more atrocities have been committed by the very nation in which Manchester is based. Going onto the LGBTQ question and based on Abu Dhabi and Qatar owning City and PSG they both have thriving ladies' teams and from my understanding, there are no rules barring work recruitment or entry into the stadiums for any such groups.

The simple fact is the future owners will need to work within the framework of UK laws in all aspects of the governance of the club.
 

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@Wumminator stop your grandstanding and behaving in an ostentatious manner by trying to attract favourable attention. Going by your posts you are intelligent enough to better present your opposition to the purchase.

I understand people have opinions on ownership but to call Qatar a murderous nation is going too far and uncalled. I can bring up many instances where far more atrocities have been committed by the very nation in which Manchester is based. Going onto the LGBTQ question and based on Abu Dhabi and Qatar owning City and PSG they both have thriving ladies' teams and from my understanding, there are no rules barring work recruitment or entry into the stadiums for any such groups.

The simple fact is the future owners will need to work within the framework of UK laws in all aspects of the governance of the club.
Sultan literally 100s of migrant workers have died being treated appallingly because of unsafe working conditions. Calling this out isn’t uncalled for.

There’s literally hundreds if not thousand of deaths at this regime’s hands. Is the official stance that we can’t mention that?

Is the most we can hope for LGBT+ users that they’re allowed in grounds? Is that it, I should be happy that our owners don’t banish women from the stadium?
 

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So what do these people want exactly? Do they want Elliott? Do they want the Glazers to remain? Do they want Pope Francis to buy the club? Oh wait, the Vatican is also a state
They want what is best for Manchester United. You don't have to bend over backwards to accommodate new owners because they aren't the Glazers. Be critical of everyone regardless of background.
 

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They want what is best for Manchester United. You don't have to bend over backwards to accommodate new owners because they aren't the Glazers. Be critical of everyone regardless of background.
There are 3 public bids (Jassim, INEOS, Elliott). Then there's the Glazers staying. I'd love Jesus/Mohammed/Moses to come up and buy the club. That's not really an option though.
 
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