Well if you can't see obvious things like that you are blinded by Wout hate, what else.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Or maybe like I said Id take the goal over anything he did (which was not much) when hes missing sitters
Wout did ok for his standards
However ultimately scoring is the hardest part of the game.
Martial scored and wout didn't score not assist.
I agree we need a better striker though
This is the truth. Being better than Martial today is a low bar but he did ok. His short passing around the box is usually quite good.
Yeah definitely, Martial was abysmal and Weghorst was average. I'm dreaming of what a top top striker can do in this team
It's quite amazing that people who criticise Martial think that Wout is some upgrade(?) on him.
He made 4 passes in almost 30 minutes of football, and that was probably his best 30 minutes of football since February.
Martial is shite in comparision with what we need, but he is uncomparable with Wout. Opposition defenders actually try to mark Martial for a start.
He made 4 passes in almost 30 minutes of football, and that was probably his best 30 minutes of football since February.
Martial is shite in comparision with what we need, but he is uncomparable with Wout. Opposition defenders actually try to mark Martial for a start.
I think that's the best he's played in ages. He was alright. Absolute shit header, though.
Thought he was pretty good today actually. Comical miss with the header of course, but he did add something when he came in.
That run he made for Gerncho's goal made me laugh. Did nothing to help him, then had the audacity to shout for the pass in a terrible position. Fair play to him for trying it 
I actually really like Wout's personality. Think he's a mediocre footballer but I like him.
He's nowhere near good enough but as a person he seems so likeable. I hope he gets a big goal or some kind of glory to cap off his time with us. His attitude and effort have been spot on.
He did his usual thing, I agree we need two stirkers in summer (new no.9 and greenwood hopefully)
But if to choose him or Martial to stay, I would definitely choose him over Martial.
But if to choose him or Martial to stay, I would definitely choose him over Martial.
Thankfully I doubt it will come down to a choice between Weghorst or Martial this summer. Expect us to buy a proper striker.
The worst fecking player I’ve seen at Utd for this many games.
Don't even think he was that bad today.
Weghorst and the phrase "really good cameo".
Doesn't matter how shit Martial is. His shiteness is mutually exclusive to Weghorst, who is a pub team player masquerading as a professional footballer.
To his credit, his movement going wide helps for the goal because the last defender has to gamble on his positioning or he gets stuck in no man's land. The other attackers don't move that way, instead they help the defenders by moving inside rather than outside.
Yeah, of course I mean if to choose one as a third choice striker.
My point is Marial is on a huge wage and obviously lost his sharpless, acceleration and god know how long he stay injury free.
Much better cameo ,plus he looked more refreshed.
How is it mutually exclusive when the whole topic is a comparison on their performances today.
Martial was useless for all but 30 seconds he was on the pitch today. Weghorst is crap offered us more in his cameo. Simple.
They both offer nothing.
Weghorst missed a sitter from 4 yards out and tried to con Garnacho into pissing a goalscoring chance away in the last minute. That was his contribution.
Okay well we obviously watched 2 different games. Have a good evening
No we just have different standards.
Blundering around at near walking pace while getting nowhere near the ball counts as "putting a shift in" for some people but not for others.
Do you not think he changed the game for us for the better at all?
Wout? No ... Fred, definitely
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Not even slightly. We traded one useless forward who cant move for another.
Fred and Garnacho changed the game thankfully.
Exactly holy hell. The pro wout crowd is so desperate they are latching on to his performance as some sort of motm performance. He had 1 nice pass and absolutely butchered his chance, per usual. Fred and garnacho were the reasons we secured it at the end
His greatest asset is that he has a human body that moves which can be used to fill one of the eleven slots on the field. He single-handedly ensures that the opponents don't have a numerical superiority over us i.e., at least mathematically.
Poor level of analysis. I'm not one of the guys saying he pulled up trees, but he quite clearly improved our press and linked up well with Bruno. But hey, agree to disagree
Martial might be poor but he did the one thing we needed and the team was lacking. Score a goal.
Wout obviously didn’t offer more in his cameo. He is a forward yet he comically squandered his chance for a goal, again. He didn’t score nor create any goal scoring chances for others. We want our forwards to score firstly and create secondly, we desperately lack goals. If we just wanted someone only to run around a lot and to press, then there are many better players than Wout for that.
PS. Neither is good enough or should be here in 2 years time, but Martial is clearly levels above Wout. Even on crutches.
You're talking about one cameo, and in that Martial on another shite day made an very important impact for the end result. On average counting all performances, cameo of both players, Martial would always come out better because Weghorst not only had bad performance, quite a few of his involvement come at the cost of tactical sacrifice of his teammates and hinder the whole team performance. You're talking as if Martial is bad at linking up play, whereas that is one of his strongest points, and overall he's naturally doing at high level.
Martial is never a pressing machine, but he actually was not as detrimental to the team even on this front. Martial may not need to run at full speed, being in the right position, doing the required pressing run had forced a mistake that created Antony's chance at 8th minute. Unless you really good at dispossessing opposition, pressing is still percentage, just because you look like running like mad man but have no speed, you're no probably better than Martial pressing in this situation. Plenty of Weghorst was just stats padding with majority of them being inefficient.
In Martial goal, he himself moved and dragged the defenders away. Craig Dawson were forced to stay farther to our left because Dawson had to keep check on Martial. Else, Dawson could have rushed to close down Bruno which in turn allowing the other CB to mark Antony tightly. Antony was free because the other CB had to close down Bruno who ran straight at goal. Bruno made the pass to Antony at the moment CB attempted to close him down centrally. Antony could have scored himself with that big of an opening. We can't trust Antony finishing of course. Martial scored when Antony decided to square the ball, didn't negate the off ball run that opening the space Antony!!!
Some people really scrape the bottom of barrel to find thing to raise Weghorst. That's the problem. It only backfires by inviting analysis into Weghorst. It's fine to slate Martial in his own thread for his overall performance, but when you start comparing, you would die on this Weghorst hill, because Weghorst contribution is so puny and he's clearly a worse player overall. Martial meh performance had enough impact to decide this game in our favor. A goal to give us a lead in our situation is plentyful impact.
Weghorst had a positive cameo. Good for him. It changed the game? No. We're winning this game anyways with Martial goal. We defended well enough. We created enough chances for another goal without Weghorst in this game. People made a big deal about one through ball, one lay off for Sancho chance as if it's usual good performance you can expect from Weghorst.
If you thought Weghorst run for Sancho chance is good, then nothing anyone can help you. Weghorst ran at channel near the ball carrier inside the box, which was a poaching run, not a support run. Weghorst himself pointed asking for a pass from Sancho into the space in front of him. Defenders were well in their positions and zone. It's all about Sancho skill for that chance. The correct support run is occupying the CB, or run to the other channel, so that CB was denied a chance to attempt a block.
The run for Garnacho also was not selfless, and making space for other either. It was a run to become available for a through ball. If anything, it just showed how much Bruno distrusts Weghorst. Bruno chose Garnacho who had a marker, over Weghorst who was free because Dawson was occupied by Bruno position himself. Even if Garnacho didn't score, it's no big deal, because it's doubtful Weghorst could have if he's the one to receive the through ball. He's too slow even with the opening. The attempt to ask Garnacho to give him as pass is pathetic. He may be free, but his position is bad, and nobody can trust him to finish from that angle when he messed up easier chances.
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Served his purpose of literally just being a cheap adult striker that can occupy the striker position through all the injuries, cr7 etc. Likable guy but will be happy to see him out of the united shirt come end of the loan.
Wout played better than Martial today. With or without a goal. That’s not a huge compliment (because Martial was shite) but that is what happened. Wout has been shite for so long that nobody is willing to judge a performance on its own merit but literally the only thing he did wrong today was miss that header. Otherwise he basically got everything he had to do right. Which is obviously not massive praise but it was clearly better than what Martial served up.
Decent for once. That one header was embarrassing though
Let me translate.
He wasn’t awful today.
It’s amazing people still compliment him on this honestly. I just chalk it to many in our fan base hardly have standards anymore
He seemed mad at Garnacho for not passing the ball to him when he scored. Even when he was in a worse position. Seemed odd
That's nonsense.
Weghorst had a few nice things with his cameo, but it was not game changing. The goal is game changing. Nobody choose a 0-0 over one goal lead. Goal is that much more impactful. The game would have been much difficult to play as if it had stayed 0-0 into final 20 minute. The goal itself allowed us more freedom with tactic.
Easily to see Weghorst impact would not have happened in 0-0 scenario because his best contribution is his lay off to Sancho, and his through ball to Bruno in both occasions Wolves were stretched because they tried go forward to equalize. His support run is questionable, so was his run to anticipate chances. Same old running around, but not exactly efficient pressing. Weghorst didn't help us create more (game changing impact), nor he further our advantage himself. Had Martial stayed on, we would still win this with that flow of the game. He did decently for his role for tired Martial, nothing more. When comparing feat/achievement/end product is still the ultimate barometer, which Weghorst achieved nada.
Yeah, I thought that. His attitude really has changed since he started getting dropped.
He probably thought it was an easy chance for him to grab a goal. In hindsight Garnacho was right to not pass it, not just because he managed to score, but also because Weghorst hasn't vaguely proven himself to be a competent striker.
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