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Nicoseth

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Seems a bit of a no brainer. I think Rabiot is more of a profile that actually helps some of our deficiencies. Sabitzer seemed at his best high up the pitch.
Fair enough. I think that with Rabiot's track record in terms of his personality and causing disruption in the dressing room it's the sort of signing we should stay away from. Sabitzer is a solid pro by all accounts.
 

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Fair enough. I think that with Rabiot's track record in terms of his personality and causing disruption in the dressing room it's the sort of signing we should stay away from. Sabitzer is a solid pro by all accounts.
Rabiot or no Rabiot I just think Sabitzer proved to lack the quality required to have a great impact here. A couple of nice moments but altogether forgettable for the most part. That's the great thing about a loan I guess. You get to see them in the exact circumstances that they'd be required to play in.
 

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Rabiot or no Rabiot I just think Sabitzer proved to lack the quality required to have a great impact here. A couple of nice moments but altogether forgettable for the most part. That's the great thing about a loan I guess. You get to see them in the exact circumstances that they'd be required to play in.
I actually thought he did well. He didn't get much of a run - largely due to injuries. I totally see why people would have their doubts though.
 

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Was a necessary loan and did alright. Was never going to play a big role, was a solid level body to cover Eriksens injury and rotate with Fred to be Casemiro's partner. That's what he did.
He did not play this role, that's also the reason why I never wanted to keep him. Apart from first game or two he was always deployed in very advanced position, even Bruno was pushed deeper to accomodate Sabitzer.
 

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Fair enough. I think that with Rabiot's track record in terms of his personality and causing disruption in the dressing room it's the sort of signing we should stay away from. Sabitzer is a solid pro by all accounts.
He doesn't have any such track record.
 

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Came in and did a decent if unspectacular job; nice sub contribution in the cup final against Newcastle too (kinda wish we'd seen more of that).

Wish him good luck and I hope he leaves with another winners medal in June :drool:
 

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I think Sabitzer would be a great add. I think year 2 he could really get rolling...

Rabiot is a turd and don't want
 

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That's not true. I think Sabitzer is a perfect fit to take Scott's role on the bench. Is he a United starter? no. but I think he can play in some cup games and be a decent rotation member. He's not the priority. A Casemiro deputy is the top MF priority
 

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I think Sabitzer would be a great add. I think year 2 he could really get rolling...

Rabiot is a turd and don't want
Why would he get rolling in year 2? Would he suddenly, at the age of 30, become bigger, stronger and faster, or acquire the ability to receive the ball in tight spaces, hold off challenges and link play effectively?

Maybe he'd become half as good as that 'turd' Rabiot? I doubt it though.
 

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That's not true. I think Sabitzer is a perfect fit to take Scott's role on the bench. Is he a United starter? no. but I think he can play in some cup games and be a decent rotation member. He's not the priority. A Casemiro deputy is the top MF priority
Sabitzer had a couple of decent games at #10, but otherwise he really hasn't been any better than Scott. Based on his performances for us so far we should be looking for better even as a squad player. Scott is better as a #6 and Fred is better as an #8. Even at #10 he's had more poor-average games than he has had good ones.

If ETH thinks that he will improve with more time (some players do take a season to get up to speed) then fair enough, but he certainly hasn't shown it yet.
 

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I wish him a speedy recovery and hope we send him back to Bayern.
 

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Think its pretty telling that Ten Hag barely used him in our two consecutive losses. Was decent for a bit at the beginning but ultimately not good enough to be a starter, and I doubt he'd be happy to swap one bench for another.
 

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Yeah think this rep comes from that one time his mum had a row with Mbappe's mum. If it doesn't work out then I can actually see her aiding in his exit.
It's also because his mum is a nuisance for clubs when contract time crops up, because most agents are known for their friendly and accommodating nature during negotiations.
 

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Bollocks. He was suspended by PSG for liking a post about United beating them in the champions league and going out to a night club after the game. He also accused the cub of treating him like a hostage and a prisoner. Sounds like a top lad.
Bollocks back to you. It's the club that came across as scumbags in that affair, not him.

He didn't want to renew his contract at PSG and instead of them being normal about it (like we were when Pogba didn't renew) PSG's sporting director Antero Henrique, decided to be a twat instead and ban him from the dressing room on match days. That was 6 months before his contract was up. Presumably in an attempt to make him leave in January and recoup some money? Who knows. (https://www.sport.es/en/news/barca/...-from-psg-dressing-room-on-match-days-7222039).

Then in March they became even more petty, by suspending a player who was not even allowed to play for the previous 3 months, for going out clubbing on the night despite not being in the matchday squad.

It was his mother, who likened the situation to a hostage, not him. But importantly, he never had any problems with his manager or teammates. He wasn't a problem in the dressing room. He just wanted to leave. Tuchel said he loved him, but understood the clubs decision. He trained normally for 6 months despite never being allowed by the director to play for the team.
 
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Bollocks back to you. It's the club that came across as scumbags in that affair, not him.

He didn't want to renew his contract at PSG and instead of them being normal about it (like we were when Pogba didn't renew) PSG's sporting director Antero Henrique, decided to be a twat instead and ban him from the dressing room on match days. That was 6 months before his contract was up. Presumably in an attempt to make him leave in January and recoup some money? Who knows. (https://www.sport.es/en/news/barca/...-from-psg-dressing-room-on-match-days-7222039).

Then in March they became even more petty, by suspending a player who was not even allowed to play for the previous 3 months, for going out clubbing on the night despite not being in the matchday squad.

It was his mother, who likened the situation to a hostage, not him. But importantly, he never had any problems with his manager or teammates. He wasn't a problem in the dressing room. He just wanted to leave. Tuchel said he loved him, but understood the clubs decision. He trained normally for 6 months despite never being allowed by the director to play for the team.
To be fair, there's probably truth in both sides of the story - as always. Either way, it seems like a risk to me. And, I guess most importantly, I don't really rate him as a player. He's a good player, but there are other, better options out there. I would include Sabitzer in that.
 

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He did not play this role, that's also the reason why I never wanted to keep him. Apart from first game or two he was always deployed in very advanced position, even Bruno was pushed deeper to accomodate Sabitzer.
Yeah he played further up but provided necessary midfield roles that our other #10s don't have. Which is fine. I never wanted him more than a half season loan, said it at the start he was basically Fred level and just an energy provider. However we changed up the midfield when he played in it, he still did his bit to help us through the injury where we would've been short had we not brought him in.
 

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Yeah he played further up but provided necessary midfield roles that our other #10s don't have. Which is fine. I never wanted him more than a half season loan, said it at the start he was basically Fred level and just an energy provider. However we changed up the midfield when he played in it, he still did his bit to help us through the injury where we would've been short had we not brought him in.
He did, but I'd argue ETH brought him for a different role (Eriksen replacement as you mentioned before), and realized quickly he's not a CM. Bad judgment followed by a smart reaction.

It's like we got a cover for Martinez and realized he's not a CB, but can do a job at RB. Like I said - not a good loan, even if ETH made the most out of it.

He provided a cover in terms of running body up front. The way he plays football results in team losing shape as midfield is detached from attack, I never liked this setup (and was never a fan of signing him permanently). We would be better off with 433 setup but for that you need two of Eriksen / Fred / potentially Bruno (on a good day). Not Eric cup of tea though.
 

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Can't believe so many want to sign him. Apart from being very unspectacular during his time here, he's 30 years old, won't develop further, can't play in a position we need, and probably on pretty high wages. If we sign him we get another 30+, mediocre midfielder who can't defend, an Ed Woodward squad planning if the caf or Ed gets to decide.
 

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Can't believe so many want to sign him. Apart from being very unspectacular during his time here, he's 30 years old, won't develop further, can't play in a position we need, and probably on pretty high wages. If we sign him we get another 30+, mediocre midfielder who can't defend, an Ed Woodward squad planning if the caf or Ed gets to decide.
Even Calling him Midfielder is quite generous to be honest .
 

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Although I liked the idea of having an Austrian player in our squad he is not good enough for a team which wants to challenge for titles. That being said Rabiot surely is not the answer as well.
 

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That's not true. I think Sabitzer is a perfect fit to take Scott's role on the bench. Is he a United starter? no. but I think he can play in some cup games and be a decent rotation member. He's not the priority. A Casemiro deputy is the top MF priority
It's interesting that some fans think we need cover for Ericksen, while others think cover for Casemiro should be the priority. But also, where the likes of Mejbri, Iqbal and Mainoo fit in, or if some of them even have a future at United.

What's crazy though, is that this must be the 6th summer at least where we're discussing issues in midfield.
 

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That's not true. I think Sabitzer is a perfect fit to take Scott's role on the bench. Is he a United starter? no. but I think he can play in some cup games and be a decent rotation member. He's not the priority. A Casemiro deputy is the top MF priority
Except Scott's role on the bench is Casemiro deputy, which Sabitzer isn't suited to be.

All in all, I don't think he's shown enough to warrant a permanent move. He's been okay, but his impact has been limited - particularly given his age.
 

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Except Scott's role on the bench is Casemiro deputy, which Sabitzer isn't suited to be.
Neither is McT to be fair. He is also more effective at surging with the ball and popping up in the final the 3rd, rather than screening the defence and safely distributing the ball. Both McT and Fred are better as box-to-box (and to lesser extent as AMCs) than CDMs. Just because we assigned that role to McT doesn't mean he's suited to it.

I can't tell for certain if Sabitzer is better than McT or not, but neither is good cover for Case.
 

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It's interesting that some fans think we need cover for Ericksen, while others think cover for Casemiro should be the priority. But also, where the likes of Mejbri, Iqbal and Mainoo fit in, or if some of them even have a future at United.

What's crazy though, is that this must be the 6th summer at least where we're discussing issues in midfield.
We need an upgrade on Eriksen and a cover for Casemiro, the former is more of a priority.
 

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With Donny coming back I think Sabitzer will return to Bayern next season. Although I do think Donny needs to leave as well in sake of his own career.

Not quite sure what Sabitzer's good at. Maybe he looks better in a more advanced role, but he's definitely not a defending midfielder. He always looks a yard off.
 

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Obviously it's just speculative, but it's interesting that you cannot get Weghorst's name on the official website for our new shirt, but you can get Sabitzer 15
 

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Poor guy, he tried and at least bagged us a couple of goals along the way. Ultimately he was sidelined through injury and Fred.
 

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I think we decided against him because we thought we were getting Rabiot. If Rabiot has now over-priced himself, I could see us going back to Bayern for this guy. He's not starting calibre, but he was serviceable as a depth piece.
 

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I think we decided against him because we thought we were getting Rabiot. If Rabiot has now over-priced himself, I could see us going back to Bayern for this guy. He's not starting calibre, but he was serviceable as a depth piece.
The issue is that I think the reason he wanted to leave Bayern is because he had become a depth piece. Not sure that's what he wants to do at this point in his career. I wouldn't say no to him becoming a depth piece at a fraction of the price Bayern originally wanted for him, but if he comes in i'd actually want us to sign our main midfielder, be that Mount of someone else, and then a young DM prospect still come in, especially if we end up selling a minimum of 2 of Fred/McTominay/DVB
 

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I wouldn't be totally opposed to us signing him if we were struggling to bolster the midfield this summer.

He didn't set the world alight, but he also only had 4 months to settle in. It's not like Weghorst where it's patently obvious that he can't cut it at this level, or like Donny where he's had multiple seasons to prove himself.
 
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