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Why can we not sign him until the takeover is complete?
Because I don't believe Joel Glazer will sanction a €50m fee which will likely have to be paid in one lump sum due to the release clause. And i'm also not sure if we're as interested as being made out to be when other areas in the team are far more important to upgrade with a limited budget.

I thing we'd be better served targeting a younger CB who is comfortable rotating with Varane for now, if as expected Maguire leaves.
 

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Because I don't believe Joel Glazer will sanction a €50m fee which will likely have to be paid in one lump sum due to the release clause. And i'm also not sure if we're as interested as being made out to be when other areas in the team are far more important to upgrade with a limited budget.

I thing we'd be better served targeting a younger CB who is comfortable rotating with Varane for now, if as expected Maguire leaves.
I completely agree with this. I'm more surprised how people don't want to spend 50m on keeper but willingly to spend 50m on CB when we have Varane as our CB and DDG as our keeper. What we need to replace Maguire with is a younger CB that can be rotated with Varane when Varane needs rest or injured. Someone who can be understudy of Varane who doesn't cost much. Who? I'm not sure but, there is an interesting name that I can think of if Ratcliffe wins the take over. Todibo, He's playing for Nice means we might be able to do a business that suits our budget like signing him on loan for one season then buy him the next window.
 

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Because I don't believe Joel Glazer will sanction a €50m fee which will likely have to be paid in one lump sum due to the release clause. And i'm also not sure if we're as interested as being made out to be when other areas in the team are far more important to upgrade with a limited budget.

I thing we'd be better served targeting a younger CB who is comfortable rotating with Varane for now, if as expected Maguire leaves.
Regardless of the outcome of the takeover, investing in the squad is essential to keep the asset value, both for the Glazers and the potential new owner. So of course we will be able to spend regardless. The question is more how big the budget is gonna be with new owner/Glazer.
 

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Because I don't believe Joel Glazer will sanction a €50m fee which will likely have to be paid in one lump sum due to the release clause. And i'm also not sure if we're as interested as being made out to be when other areas in the team are far more important to upgrade with a limited budget.

I thing we'd be better served targeting a younger CB who is comfortable rotating with Varane for now, if as expected Maguire leaves.
Kim is only 26, so is a means of strengthening massively in CB long-term, which is more important than you're suggesting, given the drop off after Varane/Martinez. If you can pick up such quality at a reasonable price you have to grab it when you can.
 

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I completely agree with this. I'm more surprised how people don't want to spend 50m on keeper but willingly to spend 50m on CB when we have Varane as our CB and DDG as our keeper. What we need to replace Maguire with is a younger CB that can be rotated with Varane when Varane needs rest or injured. Someone who can be understudy of Varane who doesn't cost much. Who? I'm not sure but, there is an interesting name that I can think of if Ratcliffe wins the take over. Todibo, He's playing for Nice means we might be able to do a business that suits our budget like signing him on loan for one season then buy him the next window.
Varane is a sicknote. Lindelof is jekyll and hyde and Maguire is not good enough. Our second pair CBs is a left back and Lindelof. Its quite clear that we need cover in that position. Yes we also need a new GK but we definitely still need to upgrade the CB area. Its also easier to find a cut price long-term GK than a cut price long-term CB. So I imagine the club sees it as a rare opportunity to land a long-term reliable CB for a price below his true market value.
 

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Is his surname just a posh way of saying "minge"?

Anyway, nobody reliable, nor anybody from United's side has reported on this yet. I also think securing a striker should be first priority. I also claim no major incoming transfer gets done until the Glazers sort out what's happening for definite
 

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I completely agree with this. I'm more surprised how people don't want to spend 50m on keeper but willingly to spend 50m on CB when we have Varane as our CB and DDG as our keeper. What we need to replace Maguire with is a younger CB that can be rotated with Varane when Varane needs rest or injured. Someone who can be understudy of Varane who doesn't cost much. Who? I'm not sure but, there is an interesting name that I can think of if Ratcliffe wins the take over. Todibo, He's playing for Nice means we might be able to do a business that suits our budget like signing him on loan for one season then buy him the next window.
I think Todibo is potentially a excellent candidate at 23 years old. He's not as good aerially compared to Kim but he's potentially excellent with and without the ball in ground duels. Would also potentially be cheaper overall in both transfer fee and wages and would allow us to pay the transfer fee in instalments, which would help if we have a £100m transfer budget.
 

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Is his surname just a posh way of saying "minge"?

Anyway, nobody reliable, nor anybody from United's side has reported on this yet. I also think securing a striker should be first priority. I also claim no major incoming transfer gets done until the Glazers sort out what's happening for definite
His surname is actually Kim and first name Min-jae :)
 

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I think Todibo is potentially a excellent candidate at 23 years old. He's not as good aerially compared to Kim but he's potentially excellent with and without the ball in ground duels. Would also potentially be cheaper overall in both transfer fee and wages and would allow us to pay the transfer fee in instalments, which would help if we have a £100m transfer budget.
Kim Min-jae's release clause can be paid in instalments too, ever heard of a bank? Napoli get the full fee (as with all release clauses) but United could just use a bank to pay it and then pay the bank in instalments.
 

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Are we really gonna keep buying defenders without ever replacing the huge problem behind them?
 

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Kim Min-jae's release clause can be paid in instalments too, ever heard of a bank? Napoli get the full fee (as with all release clauses) but United could just use a bank to pay it and then pay the bank in instalments.
Buying him for more than what someone like Todibo will be cost will be daft. Because the current team has a goalkeeper who is lacking on the ball, a RB who is lacking on the ball and a midfield that is lacking on the ball. And also we need a striker.

Todibo is someone who is rapid across the ground and is technically very good and would represent a better deal imo. Even someone like Timber has the potential to improve our first phase play to a higher degree in comparison due to his ability to play as a inverted RB.
 

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Buying him for more than what someone like Todibo will be cost will be daft. Because the current team has a goalkeeper who is lacking on the ball, a RB who is lacking on the ball and a midfield that is lacking on the ball. And also we need a striker.

Todibo is someone who is rapid across the ground and is technically very good and would represent a better deal imo. Even someone like Timber has the potential to improve our first phase play to a higher degree in comparison due to his ability to play as a inverted RB.
If the choice was between a 26-years old outstanding CB from Serie A, a 23-years old solid player from France and a young, talent from Eredivisie with height problems, I'd definitely take the first option.
 

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If the choice was between a 26-years old outstanding CB from Serie A, a 23-years old solid player from France and a young, talent from Eredivisie with height problems, I'd definitely take the first option.
I'd take the choice which enhances the technical ability and tactical flexibility of the team over aerial ability. And we still have Varane as a first choice for another season.
 

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Personally I wouldn't be spending a penny on defenders this summer, unless we're reinvested money received on defenders that are sold. That can wait a season with our other priorities
 

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Is his surname just a posh way of saying "minge"?

Anyway, nobody reliable, nor anybody from United's side has reported on this yet. I also think securing a striker should be first priority. I also claim no major incoming transfer gets done until the Glazers sort out what's happening for definite
Personally I want to call him Kim Tae Kwan Do but I don't know how much it will stick ?
 

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While I agree that CB isn't a priority this guy is really good and I'd be excited to see him play for us.
 

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If the choice was between a 26-years old outstanding CB from Serie A, a 23-years old solid player from France and a young, talent from Eredivisie with height problems, I'd definitely take the first option.
I'd honestly be fine with any of the above 3 options. Esp depending on the price. If we can get any of them for not too much more than what we get for Maguire...at the end of the day, any of them will be excellent additions to the squad
 

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When I google his name some Kpop artists name comes up first. Is that a good / bad sign and are we even signing the best Kim Min Jae?
 

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Personally I wouldn't be spending a penny on defenders this summer, unless we're reinvested money received on defenders that are sold. That can wait a season with our other priorities
I tend to agree but it’s obvious now Harry Maguire will be sold and they must have a seller already, probably West Ham, Spurs Newcastle or Villa they all have money and would probably spend £35/40m on Maguire, whatever we think of the player he will be rated by other teams and he’s a huge upgrade on E Dier, T Mings, etc.

United have let go of A Tuanzebe and Phil Jones and will sell Eric Bailey probably no more than £5/10m probably to Roma. So the club had a bloated squad with 7/8 CB’s now we will have 4/5with T Mengdi/ Shaw able to play there too. I think this is the only decision that Murtourgh and Arnold can make pretty easily. The wages for Maguire, Bailey, Tuanzebe and P Jones is probably £450k per week and KMJ will be signed on 200-250k per week so this is a no brainier on the balance sheet. We sign him on a 5+1 contract for £45-50m it’s £20-22.5m per year amortised fee and wages and we lose £22m per year on the wages of the 4 other players and transfers fees received should cancel out what we’ve spent. If true first great signing. Plus will not affect other transfers, we should still be fine for £100m CF, a couple of midfielders and GK. I think Rabiot is quite far down the path as well and as a free makes total sense.
 

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I'd take the choice which enhances the technical ability and tactical flexibility of the team over aerial ability. And we still have Varane as a first choice for another season.
KMJ is fast enough to play emergency RB and technically he is not below Todibo.
 

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When I google his name some Kpop artists name comes up first. Is that a good / bad sign and are we even signing the best Kim Min Jae?
You know how it is with K pop, you don’t buy the individual but part of the collective package. If we play the CL final against Haaland and the Kim Min Jae project send the football player, we’re fine, but if they send the singer and keyboard player, we’re fecked.
 

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KMJ is fast enough to play emergency RB and technically he is not below Todibo.
It's not about having a emergency RB who is fast but rather having a fullback who can comfortably invert infield and play in midfield next to Casemiro in possession. That's how Brighton comfortably beat Arsenal yesterday by playing Caicedo at RB and he was taking up positions in midfield in possession which created both a numerical and qualitative superiority due to Caicedo being far superior on the ball in comparison to the options Arteta had in the same positions. Saka disappeared in the game due to the control Brighton exerted in the first phase and the Brighton attackers thrived due to the platform/structure behind them.

If Maguire leaves then we need to replace our 4th choice CB. And our starting CBs aren't a big issue and it would be sensible to bring in a rotation option rather than attempt to fix a problem that doesn't exist for now.
 
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Good illustration of his enviable combination of pace and strength to go with strong technical ability. Looks an excellent reader of the game and proactive defender with top anticipation
 

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Let's see if reports are correct, I'd have him in , Jones will be gone Tuenzabe be gone there 2 wages at least gone. And another space for CB.
 

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I'd take the choice which enhances the technical ability and tactical flexibility of the team over aerial ability. And we still have Varane as a first choice for another season.
Don't know where this idea that KMJ isn't a technical defender has come from. KMJ's great on the ball. He and Martinez would suit ETH's style of play perfectly, much better than Varane actually.
 

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Because I don't believe Joel Glazer will sanction a €50m fee which will likely have to be paid in one lump sum due to the release clause. And i'm also not sure if we're as interested as being made out to be when other areas in the team are far more important to upgrade with a limited budget.

I thing we'd be better served targeting a younger CB who is comfortable rotating with Varane for now, if as expected Maguire leaves.

I agree with this. Despite Varane's injury issues, he will start everytime he's fit. So we might as well target a younger CB (21-23 age range), who's happy to rotate and bide his time for when age catches up to Varane. I've seen some links to Jean Clair Todibo and those make much more sense to me than Kim Min Jae. Antonio Silva would be another good option for the RCB position or Maxence Lacroix of Wolfsburg.
 

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Don't know where this idea that KMJ isn't a technical defender has come from. KMJ's great on the ball. He and Martinez would suit ETH's style of play perfectly, much better than Varane actually.
I never said he wasn't good on the ball but with the way the discussion evolved, the choice between enhancing the technical and tactical needs over aerial and physical ability takes precedence for me in a ten Hag team.
 

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I agree with this. Despite Varane's injury issues, he will start everytime he's fit. So we might as well target a younger CB (21-23 age range), who's happy to rotate and bide his time for when age catches up to Varane. I've seen some links to Jean Clair Todibo and those make much more sense to me than Kim Min Jae. Antonio Silva would be another good option for the RCB position or Maxence Lacroix of Wolfsburg.
Antonio Silva has big potential but is still very young. He's someone that I feel we could target in a years time and technically he's outstanding.
 

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Personally I wouldn't be spending a penny on defenders this summer, unless we're reinvested money received on defenders that are sold. That can wait a season with our other priorities
They do say though to build a winning team it always starts of at the back. Defence wins you titles, attack wins you games. Varane is always injured and martinez has got a massive injury that we don’t know how he’ll come back from. The standard after these 2 is bad. We do need this guy. I agree that there are other priorities though, Striker and keeper being a main one.
 

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I never said he wasn't good on the ball but with the way the discussion evolved, the choice between enhancing the technical and tactical needs over aerial and physical ability takes precedence for me in a ten Hag team.
But KMJ does solve our technical and tactical needs. Todibo's not a bad option either, but he's still a step behind KMJ. You keep saying aerial and physical ability but KMJ is great at pretty much everything, not just aerially.

After thinking about it more, this move does make a bit more sense than I originally thought because Varane isn't actually that good of a fit for ETH's ideal cb. He's still a very good defender but his distribution is a step behind all of Martinez, KMJ and Todibo. If we do sign KMJ I'm pretty sure Varane would only be a backup for us next season, which considering his injury issues might be a good idea. Only issue is the large wage but can't help that I guess since he was signed before ETH arrived.
 

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They do say though to build a winning team it always starts of at the back. Defence wins you titles, attack wins you games. Varane is always injured and martinez has got a massive injury that we don’t know how he’ll come back from. The standard after these 2 is bad. We do need this guy. I agree that there are other priorities though, Striker and keeper being a main one.
I agree about the importance of a defence. Our defensive balance amongst the squad is......imperfect, but for me it's good enough to carry us to our goal of challenging for major trophies.

If I'm looking at priorities for this summer though, I can't help but look at where we are hurt the most when a first team player is unavailable. Striker (obviously) has to be top because we don't even have a first team player there. After that it's a Casemiro understudy closely followed by someone to challenge De Gea.
 

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seen more reports on twitter today that this is likely to happen. would be nice if we managed to get a few deals wrapped up early (especially with the ownership uncertainty)
 

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Because I don't believe Joel Glazer will sanction a €50m fee which will likely have to be paid in one lump sum due to the release clause. And i'm also not sure if we're as interested as being made out to be when other areas in the team are far more important to upgrade with a limited budget.

I thing we'd be better served targeting a younger CB who is comfortable rotating with Varane for now, if as expected Maguire leaves.
On the flip side, high quality players rarely come available for release clauses this reasonable. On the open market he'd be 50% more at minimum, and we no doubt need a top class CB. Is it a priority? Of course not. But there's something to be said for buying quality for good prices when we generally never do. At least it's good business.
 

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It's a good price for a defender that was key in winning the Italian league and is 26 years old. That is relatively proven by the standards of fees that get banded about for players that have done very little these days. Compare it to Frimpong that has done feck all. Maybe centre back isn't the absolute first priority, but it's still pretty important because after Varane/Martinez the drop off is huge and I feel like Varane could become even more of a crock at any time now given his age. I think there's a bit of pragmatism involved here because a CB has come up that is very keenly priced for his ability.
 

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Any regular viewer of Napoli, what are his strengths and weaknesses?
 
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