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Dortmund deserves the title. Play the most attractive football, good collective, fancy wingers, best keeper in the league, best midfielder as well, and successful in bringing both Brandt and Malen back on track.
Bayern on the other hand have been quite laughable this year, chaotic all over the place, players turning ugly sports when behind, the bosses look foolish, several players unhappy - all in all surprisingly much like S04 that they left behind today.
Dortmund to face Augsburg away and Mainz at home, that's six points in their pockets pretty much granted. Bayern face a pushing Leipzig at home and Dortmunds friends Cologne away on 34th, I'd say odds are they stumble once or twice. The heat is on!
 

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Trumpeter Whydah said:
Dortmund deserves the title. Play the most attractive football, good collective, fancy wingers, best keeper in the league, best midfielder as well, and successful in bringing both Brandt and Malen back on track.
Bayern on the other hand have been quite laughable this year, chaotic all over the place, players turning ugly sports when behind, the bosses look foolish, several players unhappy - all in all surprisingly much like S04 that they left behind today.
Dortmund to face Augsburg away and Mainz at home, that's six points in their pockets pretty much granted. Bayern face a pushing Leipzig at home and Dortmunds friends Cologne away on 34th, I'd say odds are they stumble once or twice. The heat is on!
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If Antony is worth 100 million, Donyell should go for atleast 150.
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Let's not get carried away, 150m is reserved for players that come from serious football countries - or England.
 

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Seems like Tuchel wants to move Kimmich upfield next season, that means Bayern will move for a DM in summer. Any transfers news linked to Bayern for that position?
 

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Congrats to Darmstadt for making it back to the Bundesliga. Let's see if Heidenheim can hold on to that second spot or if HSV does the unthinkable and delivers when it matters.
 

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Congrats to Darmstadt for making it back to the Bundesliga. Let's see if Heidenheim can hold on to that second spot or if HSV does the unthinkable and delivers when it matters.
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If HSV manages to lose this weekend then I‘ll put money on Pauli to get third. :drool:
 

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If HSV manages to lose this weekend then I‘ll put money on Pauli to get third. :drool:
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Don't know about that, 3 points + 8 goals to catch up sounds almost impossible...Paderborn on the other hand has the better goal difference.
 

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uamini said:
Congrats to Darmstadt for making it back to the Bundesliga. Let's see if Heidenheim can hold on to that second spot or if HSV does the unthinkable and delivers when it matters.
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I was trying to fomulate a joke about 2nd or 3rd place being irrelevnat for HSV, because Hertha are going insolvent anyway, but then I realized they are hard pressed not to finished last anyway.

So let me ask you instead: how are their chances to survive economically if they don't pull it off? There was some SZ article with the quote "we've never seen such a hopeless case" in terms of (financial) licensing. Schalke looked quite hopeless when they got relegated, but they seem to have stabilized for the moment, so maybe things aren't as bad as the press make it out to be for Hertha either?!
 

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do.ob said:
I was trying to fomulate a joke about 2nd or 3rd place being irrelevnat for HSV, because Hertha are going insolvent anyway, but then I realized they are hard pressed not to finished last anyway.

So let me ask you instead: how are their chances to survive economically if they don't pull it off? There was some SZ article with the quote "we've never seen such a hopeless case" in terms of (financial) licensing. Schalke looked quite hopeless when they got relegated, but they seem to have stabilized for the moment, so maybe things aren't as bad as the press make it out to be for Hertha either?!
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Well as everyone knows by now the situation is pretty dire. However that article raised quite a few eyebrows because it seemed the be a bunch of hyperbolic statements (and the quote wasn't "a hopeless case" but "the worst case we've ever had" ;) ).
Looks like the DFL is mainly interested in two aspects:
1) the contracts between Hertha and 777 Partners...is the amount of control that Hertha gave away consistent with 50+1 rules? I think that'll just lead to a couple of concessions and altered agreements so that everyone can save face.
2) The DFL wants some guarantees about Hertha's liquidity, especially regarding some bonds worth 40 million Euros that will have to get paid out later on this year. That is certainly an issue and Hertha seems to be doing what desperate clubs do in that type of situation: receiving a signing fee from Sportfive in exchange for future earnings, asking the city to delay rent payments for the stadium, etc.

In the end their biggest asset is probably their investor. It seems highly unlikely that 777 Partners are just going to watch Hertha sink to the Regionalliga right after investing so much money into them. So if all else fails I'd expect them to somehow come up with whatever is needed to keep them afloat.

The main problem though is the deficit that Hertha keeps adding year after year. This season's finances seem to be just as horrific as the past ones despite them being on the verge of setting a new attendance record.
What is definitely going to happen is that any player who is worth something and earns a certain amount of money will probably get sold, sometimes for way less than market value..just as long as these players are off the payroll.
There will be a lot of youth players in the squad next season. Even if Hertha has one of the best youth programs in the country it's going to be difficult to be competitive that way. So if they somehow manage to stay in the Bundesliga they'll most likely be the #1 candidate for relegation and if they end up in the 2. Bundesliga they're certainly not going to be favorites to win it all.

Might take a while before we see Bundesliga football again in West Berlin, if ever...
 

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Well as everyone knows by now the situation is pretty dire. However that article raised quite a few eyebrows because it seemed the be a bunch of hyperbolic statements (and the quote wasn't "a hopeless case" but "the worst case we've ever had" ;) ).
Looks like the DFL is mainly interested in two aspects:
1) the contracts between Hertha and 777 Partners...is the amount of control that Hertha gave away consistent with 50+1 rules? I think that'll just lead to a couple of concessions and altered agreements so that everyone can save face.
2) The DFL wants some guarantees about Hertha's liquidity, especially regarding some bonds worth 40 million Euros that will have to get paid out later on this year. That is certainly an issue and Hertha seems to be doing what desperate clubs do in that type of situation: receiving a signing fee from Sportfive in exchange for future earnings, asking the city to delay rent payments for the stadium, etc.
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In the end their biggest asset is probably their investor. It seems highly unlikely that 777 Partners are just going to watch Hertha sink to the Regionalliga right after investing so much money into them. So if all else fails I'd expect them to somehow come up with whatever is needed to keep them afloat.

The main problem though is the deficit that Hertha keeps adding year after year. This season's finances seem to be just as horrific as the past ones despite them being on the verge of setting a new attendance record.
What is definitely going to happen is that any player who is worth something and earns a certain amount of money will probably get sold, sometimes for way less than market value..just as long as these players are off the payroll.
There will be a lot of youth players in the squad next season. Even if Hertha has one of the best youth programs in the country it's going to be difficult to be competitive that way. So if they somehow manage to stay in the Bundesliga they'll most likely be the #1 candidate for relegation and if they end up in the 2. Bundesliga they're certainly not going to be favorites to win it all.

Might take a while before we see Bundesliga football again in West Berlin, if ever...
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Are 777 already comitted financially? That would make me feel optimistic about their short term (financial) survivial, too.

We like to joke about the big city club, but Hertha are still one of the bigger clubs in the country, with a solid following, so I wouldn't despair over a relegation, if their investor stays onboard.
 

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Are 777 already comitted financially? That would make me feel optimistic about their short term (financial) survivial, too.

We like to joke about the big city club, but Hertha are still one of the bigger clubs in the country, with a solid following, so I wouldn't despair over a relegation, if their investor stays onboard.
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Yeah, they bought the shares and immediately announced they'd send over 100 million Euros..I believe a third of that sum has already been transfered. It's a bit embarassing that these types of sums keep flowing without anything to show for it but that's the way it is at the moment.

I mean the good part is that their business model is not the Red Bull blueprint with 1 big club and a bunch of small feeder clubs. They believe in horizontal integration as a strategy so theoretically all clubs should profit from the network. It's quite an intriguing collection they've assembled now that they're on the verge of adding Everton into the mix: FC Sevilla, Hertha, Standard Liege, FC Genua, Red Star FC in France, Vasco Da Gama in Rio and Melbourne Victory. Lots of clubs that haven't been doing all that well lately but have potential.
And some of these clubs play in the second league and that hasn't stopped 777 from investing.
 

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Frankfurt are such clowns :lol:

On the bright side this really helps with Hoffenheim's relegation project.
 

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Once again: the way these referees use or don't use VAR is sucking the integrity out of the competition.
 

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Sky sports having the colours backwards on the score confused the feck out of me there
 

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Bayern only have themselves to blame. Keep nagelsmann in charge, I think they've wrapped up the league by now. Probably made a better fist of the champs league too.

Tuchel has done himself no favours
 

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I need someone to explain to me why Bayern got rid of Nagelsmann when they were perfectly fine in the CL and the League and since then have crashed out of the CL and might actually bottle the league. Absolutely wild decision when you look at it.
 

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Dortmund fire Rose, Rose gets the Leipzig job, beats Bayern, gifts Dortmund the title. Real high IQ stuff from the Dortmund bosses there.
 
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