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    We can point to a multitude of things- penalty miss, shambolic defending, bad touch by Kobbie, ineffective wingback play, Cunha’s selfishness- but the single biggest point still remains: this isn’t working.

    Whether it’s the players, or the messaging, or the system, who cares anymore. He has to go.
     
    Gandalf said:
    He should have been gone after the UEL final. It was a mistake to keep Ole in those circumstances and we just let history repeat itself. Ruben is not a winner and nowhere near the level for this league. It is hard to think of any manager that would be a step down from this.
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    Spot on.
     
    BarryWinks said:
    Nonsense. Every club has deadwoods. None of them makes wholesale changes to the team year on year. I’d sack Amorim before changing anything or anyone.
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    You keep holding United to your standards and see where it leads us, it wont be where you think it leads. Those players are not of the calibre of a top PL player.

    We're being led down the path down to the bottom half of the table, which funnily enough, is where we ended up last season
     
    sixdwarf said:
    He's not getting sacked. The owners are not bothered about the abject state of the team. You could see from the moment they stepped on the pitch that the level of intensity for the game was not as the level shown against Chelsea. Any manager who has one way of playing and one way only is a waste of time. Even Pep changes and adapts.
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    Unfortunately you are right. Our squad may not be the best, but we are perhaps massively underperforming due to a manager who is AVB mk2. The management are more bothered to keep their jobs and don’t care about the team. The CEO’s head should be the first to roll due to the sheer lack of seriousness in how this is being dealt.

    If Ratcliffe bas any ambition to win an EPL with United then he has to simply step in and get a more competent CEO who will then build this out from scratch. The whole lot has stunk the place out.
     
    Sandikan said:
    Agreed. A manager who only occasionally wins in the league when 1) we play a relegation team or 2) play a team with an early red is beyond blame.

    We're on the right lines honest.
    We are already relegation form over 10 months. Just exceptionally lucky there were 3 crapper teams last year and that our points total isn't over 1 season.
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    Yeah I agree. If this form continues, he will lose his job, most certainly. But I don’t think today was down to the system. It was on players this one and maybe some dodgy ref decisions. That was a red card and again that changes the game.
     
    Dont know what to say about that, we had no fluidity. No one was good. They were all rubbish. Bruno - worst game of year, worst game for Mbuemo in a United shirt, Dorgu crap, Ugarte usual crap, Dalot crap, de Ligt - meh, shaw, meh, Maguire was good I guess, Sesko scored did nothing else. We should of course be 2-2 in this one but we never really looked value for a win. Just so disheartening.
     
    Brentford looked comfortable and composed for most of that match, from start to finish.

    Even with our possession and attacks on their penalty area, they mostly looked completely in control.

    Any positives to take from this?
    At least Sesko got on the scoresheet, even if he looked ineffective and lost for much of the game.

    6 league games in and our much anticipated new attack has scored just 2 goals in those 6 games.
    I can’t see any of them reaching double figures before the end of the season, with this set up.


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    DomesticTadpole said:
    Surely if he didn't have full control the penalty was wrong as well. If it was a penalty it was a red card surely.
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    You can get a penalty if a player is fouled in the box and is nowhere near the ball. When a corner is taken for example. So the rule can’t be that the player has to have control of the ball for it to be a penalty.
    Though that only answers the first part of your question, I’m not sure what constitutes a red card any more.
     
    DomesticTadpole said:
    Surely if he didn't have full control the penalty was wrong as well. If it was a penalty it was a red card surely.
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    It was either a broken through player or it wasn't IMHO. Who cares if he may struggle to actually score the goal? If that's the case half United forwards would never get a penalty.
     
    BarryWinks said:
    The optimism after that second half displace against Chelsea was something. Not that people couldn’t be hopeful, but there were quite a lot of expectations of a two/three game winning run.
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    I've learnt over the years that some fans will be optimistic no matter how obvious it is. It's fair enough really, nothing wrong with faith i guess even if it's blind. But it holds this club back, fans are too nice
     
    Shark said:
    Football is completely ruined for me now. This is depressing as feck.
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    There’s no doubt in my mind VAR has made it a much much weaker sport overall. I warned people it wouldn’t work because it was bloody obvious it wouldn’t work and here we are dealing with shitshow after shitshow. Wish I supported a championship team where it’s not involved.
     
    United Hobbit said:
    I dont think Liverpool will hammer us, purely because they actually have CL, so will take their foot off the gas after 3 goals or so, and rest players. So our clueless owners will see it as a respectable result, against a club who's level we are aspiring to be at

    It almost needs Ole's Watford moment at this point, it feels like the only thing that may finally make them act
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    If today wasn’t that moment, a loss to Sunderland at home next week surely would be…right?
     
    Social Faux Pas said:
    Yeah I agree. If this form continues, he will lose his job, most certainly. But I don’t think today was down to the system. It was on players this one and maybe some dodgy ref decisions. That was a red card and again that changes the game.
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    The post someone made that I think nailed it was someone saying this system seems to put Dorgu, who is one of our least talented attackers in way too key a position on attacks.

    He's often the outlet in loads of space and it just doesn't work, however incredible his fitness and engine are.
     
    Ricardo de la Vega said:
    Dont know what to say about that, we had no fluidity. No one was good. They were all rubbish. Bruno - worst game of year, worst game for Mbuemo in a United shirt, Dorgu crap, Ugarte usual crap, Dalot crap, de Ligt - meh, shaw, meh, Maguire was good I guess, Sesko scored did nothing else. We should of course be 2-2 in this one but we never really looked value for a win. Just so disheartening.
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    Maguire was not good? Jesus, did you see that first goal?
     
    Jaap said:
    3 We need to be patient with Amorim. He will still come good.
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    Are you for real?

    Surely your not stating we keep him to Xmas when we have 20 points from 19 PL matches this is beyond madness now that fans still support this imposter, he’s had his 6 PL games this season he has 1.16 points per game, negative Goal difference and he’s lost 50% of his matches which is the same as last year!

    He’s massive out of his depth and needs to be sacked this evening, Get Carrick in for 2/3 games tell him to play 4231 and under no circumstances is he to select 6 CB’s and 3GK’s in a matchday squad of 20.

    Based on today’s performance the starting 11 against Sunderland should be;

    Lammens - GK

    Mazroui - RB
    MDL - CB
    L Yoro - CB
    L Shaw - LB

    Casemiro- CM
    M Ugarte - DM

    Mbeumo - RWS
    Bruno - 10
    Amad - LWS

    B Sesko - 9

    At least we would have some pace and attacking intent.

    Bench ;

    Bayinder
    H Maguire
    D Dalot
    A Heaven
    S Lacey or G Biancheri
    K Mainoo
    M Cunha
    M Mount
    Z Zirkzee

    Dorgu needs to work on his touch and Cunha needs to be told he’s not starting 11 player unless Bruno is injured we need a pacey left winger now as well in January
     
    There really is no reason for us to be this shite. Add to that sending the players out dressed as bees and it's all too much. Get Cantona in until the end of the season.
     
    Cassidy said:
    The manager has been here nearly a year and has not won back to back PL games. He is clearly the problem
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    We’ve been hearing the same comments for the past 12 years, and let’s be honest, we’ll probably still be having them even if the manager changes.

    The road back is going to be a long one, and there’s no guarantee of success. I think fans need to come to terms with that. This is not a quick fix, we are far past that.
     
    Find a manager who plays 4-2-3-1.
    Lammens
    Mazraoui. Yoro. De Ligt. Shaw
    Casemiro. Manoo
    Mbeumo. Fernandez. Cunha
    Sesko
     
    Sandikan said:
    The post someone made that I think nailed it was someone saying this system seems to put Dorgu, who is one of our least talented attackers in way too key a position on attacks.

    He's often the outlet in loads of space and it just doesn't work, however incredible his fitness and engine are.
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    That’s a fair point. I think it’s partly down to tactics but also the players. We don’t have the midfield to play through the middle, so the ball keeps getting pushed wide.

    If you watched his Sporting team, they cut through sides quite often through the middle. That’s not happening here, partly because of the players we’ve got, and maybe also because the opposition is tougher.

    I think it’s one of his big issues. We should have gone for a midfielder instead of Sesko and persevere with Hojlund this season but I think the board made the call in Chicago maybe because Newcastle would have snapped up Sesko.
     
    More importantly I remember two years ago warning everyone about INEOS and their poor performance in football, they flirt round the edges, never truly hands off or hands on but say they recruit the right people to succeed within their framework.

    Many on here suggested I was jumping the gun, however the past always dictates the present and the future.

    When SJR went and recruited Dan Ashworth I was actually pleasantly happy, Berrada looked a good appointment too but I made a strong caveat then, that he has never been a CEO of any football club let alone one as big as United. A power struggle developed before either man was really established and the wrong guy went, the one who told everyone that appointing Amorim was going to be a huge mistake!

    I also said too many cooks spoil the broth and I was right, United have systematically got worse under INEOS, far worse on the field then they were ever under the Abysmal Glazers. SJR now needs to be hands on and tell Berrada and Wilcox they both have one final chance to get the right wining coach, they must take their time and get the right man, they must sack Ruben tonight and install an interim for 4-6 matches.
     
    Bestofthebest said:
    I will definitely not be watching Utd again till such time as Amorim has gone. Watched Utd get relegated once before under Tommy Docherty but the football was far better than this rubbish. We have a system where first choice pass is backwards and forward passes are hit and miss. I gave up counting the number of passes we just gave away at thirty five, and that was well before half time. Just noticed Nuno Espirito Santos has got the job at West Ham. Another decent manager going to a minor club and most likely having them in top half by Christmas. What a mess we are in!!
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    Totally agree the most sensible comment in here, any decent manager would have us top 8
     
    Social Faux Pas said:
    We’ve been hearing the same comments for the past 12 years, and let’s be honest, we’ll probably still be having them even if the manager changes.

    The road back is going to be a long one, and there’s no guarantee of success. I think fans need to come to terms with that. This is not a quick fix, we are far past that.
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    We don’t need to conflate issues. The manager has been worse than any manager we have hired in the past decade and if he had a whole season last year probably could have relegated the side. Right now he is the problem (not the only one obviously)
     
    Social Faux Pas said:
    We’ve been hearing the same comments for the past 12 years, and let’s be honest, we’ll probably still be having them even if the manager changes.

    The road back is going to be a long one, and there’s no guarantee of success. I think fans need to come to terms with that. This is not a quick fix, we are far past that.
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    Not as frequently as under Amorim it’s every other game, at least with others it was 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 games, he’s so far out of his depth, opposing rookie managers like Brentford’s today expect to win against us, that must stop immediately!
     
    Social Faux Pas said:
    That’s a fair point. I think it’s partly down to tactics but also the players. We don’t have the midfield to play through the middle, so the ball keeps getting pushed wide.

    If you watched his Sporting team, they cut through sides quite often through the middle. That’s not happening here, partly because of the players we’ve got, and maybe also because the opposition is tougher.

    I think it’s one of his big issues. We should have gone for a midfielder instead of Sesko and persevere with Hojlund this season but I think the board made the call in Chicago maybe because Newcastle would have snapped up Sesko.
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    While we're definitely lacking in centre mid, it's partly down to a numbers game of having 2 in there versus 3 a lot of weeks. Adding in that one of our 3 is an attacking mid.

    I'm sure any manager who took over would immediately stop wasting time with 3 at the back and reinstall a proper 2mids behind Bruno, which will unlock him to concentrate on going forward more.

    It's all a massive mess though.
     
    I cannot get my head around things like this. There are no guarantees with any managerial appointment, true. Do you think Liverpool knew Slot would be the success that he’s been? No. It was a risk. One that paid off. But it might not have. And if it hadn’t, they would’ve let him go as soon as possible and found another person.

    It’s only at United that fans expect every manager to succeed, and want them to be given 3 years because "there’s no quick fix". It’s nonsense really. The trick is to keep hiring and firing till you strike gold.

    People claim we’ve hired so many mangers after Ferguson. Go and take a look at the number of managers that other big clubs have hired and fired within that same period.
     
    There is no way to defend Amorim any longer - he seems like a nice person but he is tactically an amoeba - or possibly brilliant but can't get his message across to the players. Anyway - bye Amorim.
     
    We're a disgrace right now. Amorim's gonna go no doubt but I feel no matter who we bring in we have some sort pf Reverse Midas effect on managers and players.
     
    When you buy Brentford’s best player and then lose 3-1 to Brentford something isn’t right.

    I don’t know how long we can keep pretending that this isn’t because we’ve got manager whose bizarrely dedicated to one formation.
     
    Bournemouth, City and Pool currently not winning.. if they end up dropping points. This loss will end up being even worse, because we could've closed the gap on them.
     
    Bournemouth, City and Pool currently not winning.. if they end up dropping points. This loss will end up being even worse, because we could've closed the gap on them.
     
    JBG said:
    Bournemouth, City and Pool currently not winning.. if they end up dropping points. This loss will end up being even worse, because we could've closed the gap on them.
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    We realistically wont be anywhere near these teams on game week 30
     
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