Crystal Palace 1:1 Manchester United

RuudTom83 · Jan 14, 2023

Garnacho should start…that’s the easiest rotation to make.

Martinez from the start.

Share the 90 mins between Shaw/Malacia

If Martial/Rashford are not 100% then Weghorst will have to get stuck in.

A win against Palace gives you the same as a Win against Arsenal, so I hope the squad doesn’t get carried away and overlooks Palace.

CallyRed · Jan 15, 2023

Palace 0-2 United
Weghorst*2

JustinC00 · Jan 15, 2023

Palace's results since the WC break ended

1-2 L to Southampton (@Selhurst)
0-4 L vs Spurs (@Selhurst)
2-0 W vs Bournemouth
0-3 L vs Fulham (@Selhurst)

Bertie Wooster · Jan 15, 2023

Not sure what ETH will do for this one.

With so many games, there'll have to be rotation at some point (clearly the Reading game will be one).

We'll obviously go full strength away to Arsenal, so this is a likely one for some rotation. But Palace away is also a tricky game, and even more so the more you rotate. So a big gamble to risk throwing away the 3 points here with too many changes, which would put even more pressure on getting a result at Arsenal.

Even tougher to predict with injury concerns over Martial and Rashford. Hopefully they'll be fit enough for at least a sub appearance if needed. I didn't realise about the Casimero booking issue, so he might have to be rested because of that, unfortunately. And 3 games in 8/9 days may be pushing it for Varane, so this may have to be one of the matches he sits out...

De Gea
Wan-Bissaka, Maguire, Martinez, Shaw
Fred, Eriksen
Bruno
Antony, Weghorst, Garnacho

Weaker than I'd like, as I think Palace away on a weeknight is a tricky game, but just so many matches to juggle and the inevitably increased injury and suspension concerns that go with that.

DRJosh · Jan 15, 2023

Maguire, Martial and Antony all need to step up if we’re going to be contenders.

MikeKing · Jan 15, 2023

RuudTom83 said:
Garnacho should start…that’s the easiest rotation to make.

Martinez from the start.

Share the 90 mins between Shaw/Malacia

If Martial/Rashford are not 100% then Weghorst will have to get stuck in.

A win against Palace gives you the same as a Win against Arsenal, so I hope the squad doesn’t get carried away and overlooks Palace.

It's better to draw against Palace and win against Arsenal than the other way around. Arsenal is potentially a 6 pointer.

croadyman · Jan 15, 2023

Important to get ourselves down quickly,don't want a repeat of 04 when ending Arsenal unbeaten run then losing at Pompey on following Saturday afternoon

croadyman · Jan 15, 2023

bosnian_red said:
2 really tough away games coming up. I'd probably take 2 draws to be honest, or even 1 win 1 loss which I think would keep the momentum going quite well from this run of 3 games.

Casemiro 1 yellow away from suspension, need him for Arsenal. Tempting to rest him... Rashford as well I'd keep fresh for Arsenal. We do have Wout now... Martial injured probably.

De Gea
Wan Bissaka Varane Martinez Shaw
McTominay Eriksen
Antony Bruno Garnacho
Wout

Didn't realise that about Casemiro

ayushreddevil9 · Jan 15, 2023

Beating palace is far more important now otherwise all the good work against city would feel degraded.

Scottynaldinho · Jan 15, 2023

No need to rest against Palace. We should play full strength and take the key players off if we're comfortably ahead at any stage.

It's stupid to rest players for Arsenal and then drop points against Palace and Arsenal both.

sglowrider · Jan 15, 2023

-Supreme- said:
Arsenal will have a week rest before playing us next weekend so it will be interesting to see how we line up against Palace.

They must have so many matches backloaded in march. They have not played City yet this season -- and they have a week off before playing us? There were a bunch of matches postponed before the WC too.

sglowrider · Jan 15, 2023

Scottynaldinho said:
No need to rest against Palace. We should play full strength and take the key players off if we're comfortably ahead at any stage.

It's stupid to rest players for Arsenal and then drop points against Palace and Arsenal both.

We can't afford to play a full-strength side. We will be risking injuries to Casemiro and Eriksen and Rashford too.
We are not even halfway through the season. We will need to manage the legs of the players considering the lack of depth of our squad in the midfielders and esp strikers.

NoPace · Jan 15, 2023

Andersons Dietician said:
Dangerous but kinda feel like we’ve got to protect Varane, Shaw, Casemiro and Rashford. Played a lot of football of late but will be needed for Arsenal. Martial probably out with injury so big risk but.

DDG
Bissaka-Maguire-Martinez-Malacia
McT-Fred
Bruno
Antony-Wout-Garnacho

That team puts the fear of death in to me but surely has enough to beat Palace.

Only change I expect to see would be Lindelof to start against Edouard or Zaha, who aren't great in the air but get into the half-space that consistently causes Maguire trouble. Mateta often comes on and is big, Maguire can come on with him if need be.

I agree that McTominay likely plays this one for Casemiro.

Weghorst should be in shape, but I think Rashford plays and gets an hour with the hope being we kill off the game.

Do like Garnacho against whoever plays at RB for them, for sure. He's not gonna start against Arsenal so why not use him against Palace.

Wumminator · Jan 15, 2023

How are Palace doing injury and suspension wise?

croadyman · Jan 15, 2023

Can't take them lightly because don't expect us to blow them away like Spurs did

Alemar · Jan 15, 2023

DDG

Dalot (if recovered)
Lindelof
Martinez
Shaw

McTominay
Eriksen
Bruno

Antony
Weghorst
Garnacho

Nickosaur · Jan 15, 2023

Annoying fixture this. The players put a huge shift in yesterday and with Arsenal next weekend, really could do with rotating here.

I'd be tempted to rest Casemiro and Rashford to have them fully fit for Arsenal but I don't think you can take that risk in an away game like this.

DJ_21 · Jan 15, 2023

kaku06 said:
Would Garnacho weghorst Antony be enough as front 3 to start with?

That’s the front 3 I’d go for. Rashford needs to be fully fresh for arsenal.

DJ_21 · Jan 15, 2023

Nickosaur said:
Annoying fixture this. The players put a huge shift in yesterday and with Arsenal next weekend, really could do with rotating here.

I'd be tempted to rest Casemiro and Rashford to have them fully fit for Arsenal but I don't think you can take that risk in an away game like this.

Should get away with resting rashford. When Casemiro is out of the team though the quality drops massively.

I’m loving my life · Jan 15, 2023

Massive banana skin this one.

The kind of game which has set us back time and time again in between games against ‘top teams’. It could as easily be a 1-0 last minute goal for us as a humbling 3-1 defeat. Especially as we really need to rotate people.

I would be happy with a draw

BootsyCollins · Jan 15, 2023

For Palace :
DDG
AWB-Victor-Martinez-Malacia
McT-Eriksen
Anthony-Bruno-Garnacho
Rashford

For Arsenal :
DDG
Dalot-Varane-Martinez-Shaw
Casemiro-Fred
Bruno-Eriksen-Rashford
Martial

Doracle · Jan 15, 2023

Martinez in for Shaw and I wouldn’t risk Rashford if there was any reaction to that twinge yesterday. Also assuming Martial isn’t fit to start

DDG

AWB
Varane
Martinez
Malacia

Casemiro
Fred

Antony
Bruno
Garnacho

Wout

InfiniteBoredom · Jan 15, 2023

3pts against Palace is the same as 3pts against Assna. I’d play a full strength team and if we are cruising then sub out half of them and just shithouse/time waste for the W.

Casemiro is treading water with his disciplinary record so maybe mcfred + bruno. Other than that, play your best team.

Fortitude · Jan 15, 2023

I think these proposed teams are either taking Palace too lightly or underestimating how changing so many key components at once impacts on a team. Also seems to be overlooking Palace with Arsenal in mind.

I would be inclined to believe we'll start the game with as strong a side as we can muster and try and put the game to bed as soon as possible, at which point looking to sub out those who we've concerns about.

It's harder to turn a game around than it is to attempt to control and then kill it, and ten Hag seems to prefer that sense of leading the dance rather than reacting to it. Besides, chasing a game forces higher levels of output, and if the onus is on lower exertion, we don't want to rock the boat with "saviour" mode substitutions into the game.

I'd think at worst we'll see a mix of our best team and squad options rather than wholesale change to entire units, be that midfield, attack or defence. That keeps standards high and threads the fluency we have had since returning from the break at as optimal level as can be.

Obviously those carrying injuries and anyone risking accumulative yellow suspensions throw a spanner in the works, but even then ten Hag strikes me as a manager who will trust his players to go out there and follow the brief or tell him they aren't fit to play - Martial was clearly not 100% and started the City game and I'm sure the conversations beforehand was go out and give what you can and if it's not going as we need, we'll sub you out - as it causes less disruption than a whole inferior player potentially lowering the bar from the outset.

3pts are 3pts and logic stands that it should be easier to acquire them from Palace than Arsenal, which is why taking care of what's in front of you in the league comes first with the big games taking care of themselves - lock those 3pts in, then start thinking about Arsenal and hooking precious and/or precarious players.

Lastly, I am surprised at the lack of concern in wholesale changes when form, or the complete unknown (Wieghorst) is an issue. Antony is really underperforming; Garnacho: absolutely on fire against tired defenders as an impact sub - an unknown quantity as a starter in games at tough away grounds; McTominay, barely seen in an age etc. etc. So you probably don't want too many variables thrown in at the same time as all the momentum is then lost and you can easily usher in a disjointed team with their own issues to work through as individuals let alone as a unit, against a side who will be absolutely at it for at least the first 60 minutes.

I'm more inclined to believe only the changes that are forced upon the manager will be made in terms of starting xi.

Alemar · Jan 15, 2023

InfiniteBoredom said:
3pts against Palace is the same as 3pts against Assna.

Not at all. 3 points against Arsenal are essentially 6 points in our race with them.

Massive Spanner · Jan 15, 2023

This better be on tv.

InfiniteBoredom · Jan 15, 2023

Alemar said:
Not at all. 3 points against Arsenal are essentially 6 points in our race with them.

It doesn’t work that way though does it? Sure, you prevent them from getting 3 pts on that particular day by winning, but if you lose to Palace then you still have only 3/6 even if you manage to beat them.

I’ll just get pts on board asap thank you very much. We didn’t lose the title to City in 11/12 because of the 0-1 at Etihad, it’s because we lost 5 pts against Everton and Wigan. Sometimes you just have to be clear minded and look past the bragging rights.

TMDaines · Jan 15, 2023

Still wouldn’t start Garnacho. He’s top in a focussed 20-30 minute burst and a real game-changer. That’s his best role right now where he keeps making a real difference.

Nero · Jan 15, 2023

Routine 3-0 victory.

Robindinho · Jan 15, 2023

Massive Spanner said:
This better be on tv.

On Sky

Still ill · Jan 15, 2023

InfiniteBoredom said:
It doesn’t work that way though does it? Sure, you prevent them from getting 3 pts on that particular day by winning, but if you lose to Palace then you still have only 3/6 even if you manage to beat them.

I’ll just get pts on board asap thank you very much. We didn’t lose the title to City in 11/12 because of the 0-1 at Etihad, it’s because we lost 5 pts against Everton and Wigan. Sometimes you just have to be clear minded and look past the bragging rights.

Well no, Alemar is of course correct. We're looking at challenging and obviously a victory against Arsenal is more valuable. It may not give us more points than a victory against Palace but it knocks 3 points off the Arse aswell. Not to mention the psychological impact on both teams. This is obvious, no?

justboy68 · Jan 15, 2023

It's risky but I agree with trying to rotate things a bit here. We're going to need our second string options to get some results for us in order to keep this season going on all fronts. Rest Cas, Rashford and Varane.

Josh 76 · Jan 15, 2023

Shaw, Varane, Casemiro and Rashford are the main players that Utd can’t be without at Arsenal. I would say Maybe Martinez too.

Pronewbie · Jan 15, 2023

Hope Wout impresses in training. Martial's clearly not match-fit.

Ayoba · Jan 15, 2023

Casemiro and rashford are the ones I would rest. Casemiro because he's 1 yellow away from a suspension and rashford because of the knock he had v city.

Havak · Jan 15, 2023

Real banana skin. We will probably have to make a few changes, but we can't really justify too many. I'd be thinking something like:

de Gea
Wan-Bissaka Varane Martinez Shaw
McTominay Eriksen
Antony Bruno Garnacho
Martial

I think most of us would prefer to try and get through this game without Rashford as while the injury probably looked worse than it is, I think he could do with more recovery to be in better shape for Arsenal.

Will be a relatively tough game even if Palace are the definition of average. Just don't know what kind of display you're going to get from them.

Fingers crossed we can manage this game and make changes to bring on Maguire, Malacia, Fred, Weghorst, maybe Elanga for the players who will be more important against Arsenal. Probably most important to try and take off Varane, Shaw, and Eriksen. Probably Martial as he still doesn't seem ready for 90 minutes and we have Weghorst now.

Thankfully, we have both legs against Forest with Reading in-between after Palace and Arsenal. Players just need to focus and find the energy to get through these so we can make more changes later.

Dannn411 · Jan 15, 2023

I'd rest the critical players (Rashford, Varane, Shaw, Casemiro, Bruno, Eriksen) for Arsenal and only bring them on if we're struggling at Palace.
My team would be:
DDG
AWB
Maguire
Martinez
Malacia
Fred
Mctominay
Antony
Eriksen
Garnacho
Weghorst

RedIan · Jan 15, 2023

Tough away game, points here count exactly the same as against Arsenal. strongest team, rotate on 60 minutes or sooner if we are winning.

ColvaleGoa · Jan 15, 2023

Hope we rest Rashford, Varane and Casemeiro.

CAS just to save him for Arsenal.

Rashford hopefully should be fit to come off bench if needed.

SP is a tough game for us always. Let's hope we scrape a win here. A smash and grab will be perfect .

.

Desert Eagle · Jan 15, 2023

Dannn411 said:
I'd rest the critical players (Rashford, Varane, Shaw, Casemiro, Bruno, Eriksen) for Arsenal and only bring them on if we're struggling at Palace.
My team would be:
DDG
AWB
Maguire
Martinez
Malacia
Fred
Mctominay
Antony
Eriksen
Garnacho
Weghorst

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