Jammy cnuts.Of course Matip is Back for them
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Liverpool 0:0 Manchester United
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He's back but it's a matter of fitness. Most likely he starts.
Jürgen Klopp told his pre-match press conference on Friday: "Joel is close. Does it now make sense to throw him into a game with one or two sessions, which he didn't do yet, but today and tomorrow he might be involved?
"To bring him [in], I don't know. We have to see, we have to decide, we have to look at him and how he will train, how he looks in training and these kind of things, but we have still different solutions."
It seems like a pretty big risk to throw him back in after a muscle injury. All we'd have to do is test him with a few long balls that Rashford, Martial or Greenwood chase to make him turn and sprint and he could be straight back in the treatment room.
Of course we aren't favourites against the best bestest team in the WHOLE history of football.
I have a feeling James is going to start
Okay, so it's a risk for Klopp one way or another I guess. He plays Matip when he's not 100% fit or goes with the youngster Williams who's looked less than impressive in his few appearances to date.
Looking forward to this game more and more.
City match for one. At the start he had some stellar matches then some terrible ones and some average ones. You know, like young players often do.
City for one, he was excellent in the defensive wide role.
I think you're loading a heap of disdain on a kid that was used more than he should have been who is developing and played a key role in some very difficult matches who is up and down.
He is nowhere near being one of our worst signings. 15M in todays market is nowt for a promising young player.
He's had 1 and a half seasons and has lost his dad.
If he goes, no issues.
But the sheer hate the lad gets is uncalled for. Players signed for far more with far greater reputations who were happy to be dire or moan or threaten to break legs, are never given the same hate.
Same with the hate on many young players. People forget how many times many young players had and have growth spurts in physique but more importantly in development.Last edited:
I am 90% sure he will
Laird out too
No. He won’t be on the bench even (Diallo will)
I'd bring him or greenwood on in the latter half if Liverpool keep highlines after the 75th minute to use pace behind them.
If James starts, either Cavani or Pogba don't start So I don't think that will happen as i think Cavani's a big player for these matches.
If you have a back 4
Assuming McFred are the central 2 staying back, that leaves 4 positions.
Bruno and Rashford definitely start, so that leaves 2 positions.
The questions then is do you play Pogba? I think he will.
That leaves 1 spot.
And I think Cavani gets a start if Ole wants more long ball options and movement and match control up top.
I don't think Martial starts.
I don't necessarily think James takes that last position to start because that would leave Rashford up top. Now against Liverpool's high line, Rashford on his own could be an option that could work with James providing pace and defensive cover to exploit Liverpools back line, but I don't think Ole will go with it as a starter.
Or he could play Greenwood and have a 4-2-2-2. With Pogba and Fernandes roaming, Rashford wide left/off centre and Greenwood as a more wildish central number 9 and use him over cavani.
Stopping Liverpool's full backs is key along with their exchanges on the wings with the midfielders and balls player from wide into the space between the lines and deeper crossing.
You could go with a back 3 with the WB being told to track, but if you play Pogba with a back 3, you have to stick with only Rashford leading the front line.
So ultra conservative:
Bailly, Lindelof/Tuanzebe/shaw. Maguire
WB Matic McT Telles/Shaw
Bruno Fred
Rashford
Ultra conservative-2
Bailly, Lindelof/Tuanzebe/ Maguire
WB McT Fred Telles/Shaw
Bruno Pogba
Rashford
Conservative.
4-2-3-1
WB Bailly/Lindelof Maguire Shaw
McT Fred
Bruno Pogba James
Rashford
Balanced
WB Bailly/Lindelof Maguire Shaw
McT Fred
Bruno Pogba
Rashford
Cavani/Greenwood
Attacking
WB Bailly/Lindelof Maguire Shaw
McT /Fred/Matic
Bruno Pogba
Greenwood/James Rashford
Martial/Cavani
Ultra Attacking Madman
WB Bailly Maguire Telles
Van Der Beek
Bruno Pogba
Greenwood Martial Rahsford.
Ole's Gone Insane mode
Bailly Maguire Shaw
Greenwood Van Der Beek Pogba
Bruno Rashford
Martial
CavaniLast edited:Go for three points and we'll likely at least get one, go for one and we'll get none.
Something like that...
Swap Martial for Cavani and you've prob called it.De Gea
Wan-Bissaka — Bailly — Maguire — Shaw
McTominay — Fred
Rashford — Fernandes — Pogba
Martial
Cavani winner off the bench.
DDGWe'll smash them 1-0
AWB Bailly Maguire Shaw
Fred
Mct Pogba
Bruno
Rashford Martial(/Cavani)
Don’t go diamond against City and Liverpool. Those 2 teams have been playing with a 3 man midfield for many many years. On the way to theirs dominating era.
United lost to City in semi of league cup. Lost to Leipzig away.
First it take a lot of time to play the diamond or 433 well.
Second you get have the players to suit ever midfield 3 position.
Third a diamond is not compact enough and it’s easy to play trough the first press. The 2 CF and the nr.10. That’s how Leipzig use it weakness.
My suggestion is to go 451. Staying compact, aggressive and press Liverpool into the central where it is compact and tight. Win the ball, break them up and deliver the ball to the fast wide wing players.
Example of a 451 line up:
Greenwood - McTom - Fred - Bruno - Rashford + Cavani/Martial
You play for counting football. Then you need 3 aggressive 3 central midfield. A flat 3 that run a lot. 3 ball winners. Then you have 2 really fast wide players for counting and a clinical CF upfront.
Let them have a high line and not press them too high. Because of you have really fast wide players. They need as bigger space to counter as better. When and if you win the ball. Always look for the room ahead of the wide players.
4411 might work against Liverpool. But 451 is more tight and compact. Liverpool players luv spaces. It’s all about closing the spaces. Playing like Aston Villa. Villa 451 with really fast and skillful attacking players.
So again. Sum up. I hope Ole has learned from the last lost against City and Leipzig. It take a lot of time to play the 3 central midfield really really well. They need time to gel together. It’s Ajax and Barca formation. With a long long tradition. City and Liverpool have the advantage of it. By many years of practicing and they the perfect players for it. Kevin de Bruyne and David Silva. Liverpool with two really fast and skillful wide players in Mane and Salah, with a aggressive and hard working 3 midfield.
Then you meet them with a open diamond and not well practice. Naturally it will lead to opponents victory.
You need simply and clearly a lot of time and best suit players for each position. 4312 is more open than a 451/433 formation. Against top and maybe better teams. Drop the diamond
Last time we played as no.1 and 2. we won at Anfield 1-3.
Only seems fair we do it again.
How can you drop Pogba when he’s been our best player for weeks though?Don’t go diamond against City and Liverpool. Those 2 teams have been playing with a 3 man midfield for many many years. On the way to theirs dominating era.
United lost to City in semi of league cup. Lost to Leipzig away.
First it take a lot of time to play the diamond or 433 well.
Second you get have the players to suit ever midfield 3 position.
Third a diamond is not compact enough and it’s easy to play trough the first press. The 2 CF and the nr.10. That’s how Leipzig use it weakness.
My suggestion is to go 451. Staying compact, aggressive and press Liverpool into the central where it is compact and tight. Win the ball, break them up and deliver the ball to the fast wide wing players.
Example of a 451 line up:
Greenwood - McTom - Fred - Bruno - Rashford + Cavani/Martial
You play for counting football. Then you need 3 aggressive 3 central midfield. A flat 3 that run a lot. 3 ball winners. Then you have 2 really fast wide players for counting and a clinical CF upfront.
Let them have a high line and not press them too high. Because of you have really fast wide players. They need as bigger space to counter as better. When and if you win the ball. Always look for the room ahead of the wide players.
4411 might work against Liverpool. But 451 is more tight and compact. Liverpool players luv spaces. It’s all about closing the spaces. Playing like Aston Villa. Villa 451 with really fast and skillful attacking players.
So again. Sum up. I hope Ole has learned from the last lost against City and Leipzig. It take a lot of time to play the 3 central midfield really really well. They need time to gel together. It’s Ajax and Barca formation. With a long long tradition. City and Liverpool have the advantage of it. By many years of practicing and they the perfect players for it. Kevin de Bruyne and David Silva. Liverpool with two really fast and skillful wide players in Mane and Salah, with a aggressive and hard working 3 midfield.
Then you meet them with a open diamond and not well practice. Naturally it will lead to opponents victory.
You need simply and clearly a lot of time and best suit players for each position. 4312 is more open than a 451/433 formation. Against top and maybe better teams. Drop the diamond
Must have been either Apr/Dec 97 then
You wouldn't start Martial against a Liverpool team without their centre backs?
Remember those two Pallister headers from one game!
Oh for Maguire to do that on Sunday! They certainly don't have anyone to match his aerial ability. It's whether we win any corners!
Rashy might start on the right, and he'd have a key job in giving Robertson something more to do than just bomb forward all game.Uniteds away league form going into the Anfield match last year. P15 W3 D4 L8
Uniteds current away league form and since that defeat to Liverpool in Anfield January 2020. P15 W12 D3 L0
Hopefully the good current form brings a good result on Sunday for United.
Agree with your assessment of who I consider to be the four worst PL refs. I was astounded to read on Give me sport that Atkinson, Dean and Oliver are the three highest paid refs, on a basic salary of £200,000, plus match fees. Moss is in the next group at £70,000 pa, with another group on £48,000 pa. It seems a strange salary structure, more so when one considers the competence and integrity of the three highest earners.
Absolutely not. We wont be attacking for the majority of the game and we cant afford a lazy fecker like him strolling around when we dont have the ball. Which will be most of the game.I really can't call this one. I think it will be a fairly even shite game, coin toss as to who gets the win. Draw would be a fantastic result.
Looks good. Cavani for me. Martial in for Caveman if he isn't getting it done.Going for a 0 - 0 draw on this oneI say, go to Anfield and just put a big bus infront of DeGea. We don't need to win and can play conservative. Play James and Rashford on each sides to help our fullbacks and get Fred and McTominay in bulldog mode. Then just wait and hit them on the break. The other alternative is to put 3 in the backline with 2 wingbacks. Take out James and get in Tuanzebe or Lindelof. Same in the middle.
If you stop their fullbacks you stop their team. It is them who are making spaces for the attackers and making deliveries. Just stop their fullbacks and you got 75% job done.
Oh hell no
Anyone can just go out and run about, Phil Neville was a pro at it but I think we can all agree he wasn’t very talented on the ball
James needs to be talented on the ball and he just isn’t
I don’t hate him one bit and I think it’s ridiculously defensive to suggest I do, I’m simply stating the clear and obvious fact that he isn’t good enough
You keep harping on about the price but it’s irrelevant if the player isn’t good enough, he could of been a free signing and he’d still not belong here.
Yes young players need time, which is why I’m saying he shouldn’t be in our biggest match of the season to date? Would you agree?
I suspect you are right.I'm pretty sure this will be the starting 11, if Martial is fit he'll start over Cavani for his superior hold-up play.
The only downside with this team if cavani starts (along with playing pogba at wide forward) is we lose some of the pace in behind which liverpool are susceptible toAll this unnecessary media attention will work against us. One game means nothing.
You are right about Matic - maybe for 45 minutes anyway
unless martial is fit, then I’m certain this will be the 11.
I'd go with this midfield:
McTominay Matic Fred
Don't think Pogba is reliable enough defensively for this game.
I'm 90% sure if one gets the distance run data Martial will match up well with most forward players in the league.
Sorry mate, he's gonna do that again, too much at stake, we'll go for 0:0 and James as a wingback. Let's hope I jinxed it.
Seriously just hope we go for it. If we lose, we are on level with points, if we win we are 6 points ahead and that's something which can give us immense confidence. They don't have Van Dijk and their defense is overal more shaky this year. We need to attack. I wouldn't mind if we line up with two defensive mids and no wingers, just no 5 at the back please.
I think it will be 4-2-2-2 if Tony is out, Fred+Matic/McT, Pogba+Bruno, Pogba running that left channel and Rashford + Cavani. Let's just hope it's Eric in defense as well and no more Lindelof please.
Let's press the shit out of them, should be fun..- Status
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- Man Utd win
- Liverpool win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 26% Liverpool 1:2 Man Utd
- 18% Liverpool 1:1 Man Utd
- 8% Liverpool 2:1 Man Utd
- 8% Liverpool 2:0 Man Utd
- 6% Liverpool 0:2 Man Utd
- 5% Liverpool 0:1 Man Utd
- 5% Liverpool 0:0 Man Utd
- 5% Liverpool 1:3 Man Utd
- 4% Liverpool 3:1 Man Utd
- 3% Liverpool 2:2 Man Utd
- 2% Liverpool 0:5 Man Utd
- 2% Liverpool 3:0 Man Utd
- 2% Liverpool 2:3 Man Utd
- 2% Liverpool 0:3 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 1:4 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 1:0 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 4:0 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 4:1 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 5:0 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 5:1 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 3:2 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 3:4 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Liverpool
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 66% 34%
- Shots
- 17 8
- Shots on Target
- 3 4
- Corners
- 7 3
- Fouls
- 15 6
Referee
Paul Tierney
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replaced by Edinson Cavani
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