Manchester United 1:1 Arsenal

drdoityourself · Nov 19, 2016

Zlaatan said:
Tbf they barely had any pressure, they created one chance from a cross and that was it.

They had already kept possession for a long time and we had already sat back. No chances but United just sat back and waited for that chance to come.

Nytram Shakes · Nov 19, 2016

Vito Corleone said:
Jose's been good this season. Players have let him down several times already.

think it a bit of both, Jose has made some terrible tactical decisions this season, and the players havn't played as well as they can.....

it not a case of its all one or the others fault, we should expect better from both Jose and the players.

doomy20 · Nov 19, 2016

So so so hurting.

We had to win this one, we just had to. No way back now.

And the most annoying thing: the "sitback" after a 1 goal lead did not work, again. Unfortunately someone walks into the dressing room now, uses the men in black memory delete thing and we will do the exact same thing again next time. why not leave an on-fire mata on, keep the pressure up, close the game or at least keep them busy at the back? why always inviting teams to "try one more time"? i just dont get it .. so sad atm.

SqueakyWeasel · Nov 19, 2016

United fans quoting price tags as a reason why we should be winning should be embarrassed in my opinion. Leave that to the haters.

We need positivity at the mo and a few of those ref decisions going with us would have helped.

I'm happy that we contained and dominated one of the league's top teams for 99% of that match!

Raw · Nov 19, 2016

I think it's fair to say the @Lucky McLuckerson thing didn't work out.

Time to apologise, @Maradona10

amolbhatia50k · Nov 19, 2016

DomesticTadpole said:
Rashford has not been great up front and he should have done better for their goal. He might find himself on the bench again.

Neither has martial. Mkhitarian has been wank/deemed wank. Ibra has been misisng chances. My question is what is the manager serving up after spending 150 million? We attack like a small team. Even when we play well we end up creating one to three clear chances and either one oe no goals.

Heinzesight · Nov 19, 2016

Same shit, different match.

K2K · Nov 19, 2016

amolbhatia50k said:
We can dominate all we like, the goals speak for themselves. If City's midfield performs well their attack ensures its 3-0. Same with Arsenal or Liverpool. Our domination keeps resulting in feck all and our supporters keep wondering why. It's obvious. Our attack under Jose is rubbish. We're a plucky side that rarely splits teams open. Yes, some chances have been missed but it's a lot more than that. Our attack is a proper level or three below the other big sides. And Jose has to take responsibility. There's no excuse for spending 150 million and not having a reliable attack with a couple of top performers like every other top side does.

We could be 10 points behind Liverpool today

How much of that 150 did we spend on our attack? We certainly had chances today with Arsenal having just 1 shot on target all game.

You are usually a great poster but that's the kind of mindless criticism your are likely to see from a Pool supporter.

SqueakyWeasel · Nov 19, 2016

Sourness will be sooooooo happy!

MichaelRed · Nov 19, 2016

Lol, Walcott saying they played well and deserved a point. Get fecked you diving one trick pony cnut.

JustAFan · Nov 19, 2016

Best we can expect from our current team a win that we let turn into more dropped points.

Icemav · Nov 19, 2016

Jesus fecking Christ. Story of the bloody season. Just knew they were gonna score.... Arsenal done nothing all game and of course we get cracked open at the end. Don't want to say that's our season done but really through a lack of quality, luck and guts we have had our hearts ripped out too many times and too many bad points dropped. Thought the fans had suffered enough but looks like the gods are enjoying inflicting a bit more cruelty on us. Another land mark moment in the season butchered.

Icemav · Nov 19, 2016

Just remember these moments lads, it will make our Lazarus like resurrection all the sweeter.

Zlaatan · Nov 19, 2016

drdoityourself said:
They had already kept possession for a long time and we had already sat back. No chances but United just sat back and waited for that chance to come.

So what should we have done? It's the 88th minute, we're one goal up and we're playing the best passing team in the league. It's not like we can just take the ball from them and then keep it until full time just because we want to.

amolbhatia50k · Nov 19, 2016

K2K said:
How much of that 150 did we spend on our attack? We certainly had chances today with Arsenal having just 1 shot on target all game.

You are usually a great poster but that's the kind of mindless criticism your are likely to see from a Pool supporter.

That's the managers responsibility. Noone is forcing these successive managers of ours to sign players who wouldnt fix our attack. Hence they dont really have excuses when they've got such a free reign to do what they want. Yeah we should have won that game but are we really surprised we failed to? You only have to see our lack od goals compared to the top sides to see how poor we are comparatively. It's anything but mindless criticism. Jose shouldnt be immune from being held accountable.

Sparky Rhiwabon · Nov 19, 2016

I had a bad feeling once Morgan came on. Not the first time we've conceded after bringing him on to try and hold onto a lead

OldTrevil · Nov 19, 2016

The quality is there, we're performing better and better in games and today against one of the better sides in the league we were dominant. We are creating chances and you can see players are more and more in tune, the goals will come. It is a far cry from the hopeless football we've seen the last few years. Even though this match feels like a loss I'm more confident of good things to come in the future.

JohnnyKills · Nov 19, 2016

Maybe this is some kind of karmic payback for all the success and exhilaration under Ferguson. No other logical explanation.

The fact that it was Giroud who scored makes it all the more painful given he encapsulates the modern Arsenal - a preening, petulant prick who looks like he was born with a selfie stick in his hand.

Icemav · Nov 19, 2016

OldTrevil said:
The quality is there, we're performing better and better in games and today against one of the better sides in the league we were dominant. We are creating chances and you can see players are more and more in tune, the goals will come. It is a far cry from the hopeless football we've seen the last few years. Even though this match feels like a loss I'm more confident of good things to come in the future.

It is but not consistent quality and we look fragile which perhaps comes from having an unbalanced squad. We have also had horrendous (even comically) bad luck IMO. The life of a post Fergie United fan is to be admired ;-)

entropy · Nov 19, 2016

MichaelRed said:
Lol, Walcott saying they played well and deserved a point. Get fecked you diving one trick pony cnut.

OldTrevil · Nov 19, 2016

Icemav said:
It is but not consistent quality and we look fragile which perhaps comes from having an unbalanced squad. We have also had horrendous (even comically) bad luck IMO. The life of a post Fergie United fan is to be admired ;-)

We weren't inconsistent in this game, comically bad luck for sure. We were literally one mistake and one strong challenge away from getting a convincing victory. We dominated them throughout particularly in midfield.

K2K · Nov 19, 2016

amolbhatia50k said:
That's the managers responsibility. Noone is forcing these successive managers of ours to sign players who wouldnt fix our attack. Hence they dont really have excuses when they've got such a free reign to do what they want. Yeah we should have won that game but are we really surprised we failed to? You only have to see our lack od goals compared to the top sides to see how poor we are comparatively. It's anything but mindless criticism. Jose shouldnt be immune from being held accountable.

It's far too easy to throw the manager under the bus though.

Lest we forget that this team barely scrapped past 50 goals last season. Something that Liverpool and City that you mentioned have never really struggled with ,even last season.

This is an issue that precedes the manager.Yes it's his duty to fix it.But it's very harsh to lay it all in him. Last season we were not even creating chances with the manager constantly bemoaning how we should have scored from the only 1 or 2 chances we had.This season we do create chances but we seem to be abysmal finishers.

Yes we have problems,but I really believe that the manager deserves more time to fix them.I don't think he is the cause of them though.

7dan · Nov 19, 2016

Classy interview from mourinho, everything he said is right

Carlsen19 · Nov 19, 2016

Heinzesight said:
Same shit, different match.

This. Almost past caring now.

arthurka · Nov 19, 2016

Is there a pub close to old trafford to watch more footy and have a pint?

NJM78 · Nov 19, 2016

Last three league home games ended a draw when we should have won, I'm just beyond pissed off to be fair. 9 points from 18 at home is shit but we certainly don't have the football gods helping us out. It sucks ass but I called a draw and still called a draw after Mata scored...I'm just very pessimistic due to our struggles to score for three seasons now and the shit luck we are having.
West ham next, no doubt that will be the game when those wankers have a stormer and Payet is on fire. We really need to beat Feyenoord now and go into that match on a high.
So frustrated right now though, really hope Southampton can do something but I fear another easy goal scoring Liverpool result.

Icemav · Nov 19, 2016

OldTrevil said:
We weren't inconsistent in this game, comically bad luck for sure. We were literally one mistake and one strong challenge away from getting a convincing victory. We dominated them throughout particularly in midfield.

Yeah but again we are not banging in goals and giving up cheap ones. That's where the quality is not delivering consistently. We have moments to really take the game away from teams but don't/can't and we are getting punished for it. And yes our luck is horrendous.

OldTrevil · Nov 19, 2016

Icemav said:
Yeah but again we are not banging in goals and giving up cheap ones. That's where the quality is not delivering consistently. We have moments to really take the game away from teams but don't/can't and we are getting punished for it. And yes our luck is horrendous.

Yea we have lapses in concentration but mentality can be improved by the manager. We're on the right track and I haven't felt that way for God knows how long.

Rado_N · Nov 19, 2016

Count Orduck said:
Thanks for the abuse, but I'd rather take my criticism from someone who isn't a laughing stock on the forum.

That's self critique ruled out then

Count Orduck · Nov 19, 2016

Rado_N said:
That's self critique ruled out then

Alright, I walked into that one.

That said, to be a laughing stock on a forum you have to be famous enough for people to know who you are. I doubt I'm that, I'm just one droplet in a sea of posters.

amolbhatia50k · Nov 19, 2016

K2K said:
It's far too easy to throw the manager under the bus though.

Lest we forget that this team barely scrapped past 50 goals last season. Something that Liverpool and City that you mentioned have never really struggled with ,even last season.

This is an issue that precedes the manager.Yes it's his duty to fix it.But it's very harsh to lay it all in him. Last season we were not even creating chances with the manager constantly bemoaning how we should have scored from the only 1 or 2 chances we had.This season we do create chances but we seem to be abysmal finishers.

Yes we have problems,but I really believe that the manager deserves more time to fix them.I don't think he is the cause of them though.

I don't disagree that the manager deserves more time.

However the manager is responsible for the results and it's always been that way, whether it's SAF, Moyes or Mourinho, since the boss pretty much shapes how the team plays no to mention who is actually in it. So there's no two ways about it - the manager has to be held accountable for the team's fortunes. Even Mourinho would agree with that.

And with regards to our fortunes, as has been stated, this is a worse start in terms of points, than we made under Moyes. So indeed Jose has to take the brunt of that shocking muddle we find ourselves in.

Has everything been awful? No, at times, our football has actually been easy on the eye. And it's not consistently tedious to watch us anymore. So that's a win. The system doesn't seem to be at complete loggerheads with the quality/nature/education of our footballers. So that's a positive.

Has it actually been good enough? Again, not at all IMO. Coming off a season where we lost out on 4th by goal difference and won a cup, to be so hopelessly off the pace simply cannot be considered acceptable. And the football isn't great either. For every "brilliant" peformance where we happen to score 1 or no goals in addition to drawing, there a hammering handed out by chelsea, a shoddy loss to Watford, and being dominated by City at home.

And addressing my initial point, I expected more from us this season in attack. Yes, we were poorer than others in this respect last season as well but watching at us play, I don't feel were suffering from "Van Gaal problems". Nor is finishing our only big issue. You add a firing Martial and Mkhitarian to this team and we'd be flying. And that's where Jose does deserbe blame. After being backed fully by the board, is it too much to ask for him field two quality, gifted wide men who he gets a lot out of? I dont think so. Especially when one in martial was handed to him straight away. So yes, i am disappointed in Jose's front three which has consisted of average players or very talented players either not playing or not playing well.

amolbhatia50k · Nov 19, 2016

Note that I'm not saying those two should be playing. Rather that two players of that standard is what we should be expecting every week.

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