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    Was hoping Shaw would finally get dropped.
     
    Lammens

    Dalot - De Ligt - Yoro - Shaw

    Mount - Casemiro - Bruno

    Mbeumo - Sesko - Amad

    Would be nice to see.

    But it's not, it's Dalot at left wing back and Amad at right wing back.

    The thing is, I actually don't mind us starting with a 3421. If its working during the game, then continue. If not, there's no harm in changing to the system above to try and spark a change. Unfortunately, our manager is too stubborn and tactically inept to do so.
     
    Man won’t even change to save his job.

    Part of me has respect for that. Just get rid quickly.
     
    Pleasantly surprised to see Lammens and Yoro start. Hope we continue with Lammens going forward. Need to give him a good chance. We know Bayindir will never be good enough.
     
    The thing is, I actually don't mind us starting with a 3421. If its working during the game, then continue. If not, there's no harm in changing to the system above to try and spark a change. Unfortunately, our manager is too stubborn and tactically inept to do so.
    I think he's made it hard for himself to change now, he probably thinks that would be seen as the sign of total weakness and that if it didn't work instantly then that would be the end for him.

    He's probably not entirely wrong but the problem is that what we are doing isn't working and the end is rapidly approaching anyway.
     
    Think Mount over Cunha is probably the right call at the moment.
    So our new 60m man is dropped after 5 games. Difficult to take the call seriously when Shaw retains his place at the back.
     
    It is going to be:

    .....................Lammens................
    .........Yoro.....De Ligt....Shaw.........
    Amad....................................Dalot
    ..............Casemiro.Bruno................
    .........Mbeumo...........Mount...........
    ......................Sesko......................
     
    Lammens

    Dalot - De Ligt - Yoro - Shaw

    Mount - Casemiro - Bruno

    Mbeumo - Sesko - Amad

    Would be nice to see.

    But it's not, it's Dalot at left wing back and Amad at right wing back.
    That looks nice on paper. But could still see Cas getting run ragged there
     
    Why does he deserved to be dropped?
    To keep him on his toes and show him that he ain’t guaranteed to start. I mean he ain’t exactly done anything yet as he, 0 goals and assists… and was quite greedy against Brentford
     
    He‘s dropped some underperformers and sticks in Lammens for his debut.
     
    It is going to be:

    .....................Lammens................
    .........Yoro.....De Ligt....Shaw.........
    Amad....................................Dalot
    ..............Casemiro.Bruno................
    .........Mbeumo...........Mount...........
    ......................Sesko......................
    Would love more accurate crosses to Sesko. Surely it must happen someday.
     
    Man won’t even change to save his job.

    Part of me has respect for that. Just get rid quickly.

    He's not changing, and even if he did...there's no guarantee we would be better given that we haven't been training for a different formation.
     
    To keep him on his toes and show him that he ain’t guaranteed to start. I mean he ain’t exactly done anything yet as he, 0 goals and assists… and was quite greedy against Brentford

    Yup, except for arsenal and fulham (1st half), he's been rather poor.
     
    It is going to be:

    .....................Lammens................
    .........Yoro.....De Ligt....Shaw.........
    Amad....................................Dalot
    ..............Casemiro.Bruno................
    .........Mbeumo...........Mount...........
    ......................Sesko......................
    Why not then swap Mount and Bruno? Happy to see Yoro back and Lammens debut
     
    So our new 60m man is dropped after 5 games. Difficult to take the call seriously when Shaw retains his place at the back.
    Being a new signing doesn't mean you start every game and Luke Shaw is not really relevant to this, unless you want Mount or Cunha at LCB.
     
    Remember when ETH played that midfield opening day and we got battered?

    And we won 1-0? ;)

    Seriously, though. Just because we got ‘battered’ in that game doesn’t mean the same thing would happen today. It’s not as simple as copying and pasting results. If Glasner came in with the same system, the performances wouldn’t be identical because managers apply tactics differently.

    ten Hag tried to impose a man-to-man press that wasn’t sustainable and left huge gaps. That doesn’t mean the three in midfield can’t work — with the right tactical setup, it probably could. Having said that, I very much doubt we're seeing a 433 today anyway.
     
    Why are people saying it looks like a 4-3-3? It’s exactly the same as always. But only four players playing out of position today. Progress, I guess.
     
    It is going to be:

    .....................Lammens................
    .........Yoro.....De Ligt....Shaw.........
    Amad....................................Dalot
    ..............Casemiro.Bruno................
    .........Mbeumo...........Mount...........
    ......................Sesko......................

    Yes, he's played Mount there before so makes perfect sense. Dalot was also our starting LWB when we beat the likes of City and Pool last year, so lets hope he turns up today.
     
    Can someone please explain to me why Shaw is playing in that position with two CBs instead of Maguire, who is a CB?
     
    I don’t get him. In a recent interview, he said that we lacked leaders but said Cunha is a leader. Now he dropped the leader he praised. What’s with him? Maybe trying to get the sack before he completes a year to bag the money? :confused:
     
    It is going to be:

    .....................Lammens................
    .........Yoro.....De Ligt....Shaw.........
    Amad....................................Dalot
    ..............Casemiro.Bruno................
    .........Mbeumo...........Mount...........
    ......................Sesko......................

    Yes
     
    Would love more accurate crosses to Sesko. Surely it must happen someday.
    Only 3 United players have made assists in the PL this season, and they are alle defenders: Dorgu, Dalot and Maguire. We need more from players like Amad, Mbeumo, Cunha and Bruno.
     
    My 5 at the back shall always play.
    My CBs shall always be substituted...for other CBs.
    My Shaw shall always start.
    My Mainoo shall never start.
     
    Shaw again. Just sack him before the game starts.

    Why no Cunha? Mount is a really conservative choice for a home game vs Sunderland.
     
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