RB Leipzig 3:2 Manchester United

Ranchero · Dec 8, 2020

Scholes says De Gea bottled it. "For such an experience keeper, it is criminal." I agree. Shouldn't be on the pitch. Had too much of a free pass, as said ad nauseum.

Ranchero · Dec 8, 2020

Go on Harry, admit it. It is the manager;s

devilish said:
130m wasted on AWB and Maguire

£130m and we still cannot defend. THAT is more criminal that De Gea bottling it and turning his back instead of standing strong for their third goal

KekiZeki · Dec 8, 2020

Ok, so it wasn't good. This is a shit season anyway, let's just do well in the league, offload Pogba and continue with the rebuild. Bigger picture people!

Wing Attack Plan R · Dec 8, 2020

A-man said:
I personally think Maguire is by far better than Smalling.

Smalling at his best was a level Maguire has never reached, and it doesn't look like he's getting there anytime soon. Both Smalling and Maguire are good but not great.

Hester_manc · Dec 8, 2020

There are many central defenders, who are better than Lindelöf, who are also realistic transfer targets. Andreas Christensen, who is not being used at Chelsea, is better. And he's not even close to the type of player we had in the past. I also think Smalling was better than Lindelöf. I understand nothing of what people see in him.
It must be realistic to get a defender better than the 2 subjects I mentioned here. I dont understand, why this is not a top priority for the club.

devilish · Dec 8, 2020

KekiZeki said:
Ok, so it wasn't good. This is a shit season anyway, let's just do well in the league, offload Pogba and continue with the rebuild. Bigger picture people!

Should we trust the same guy who spent 145m on Maguire, AWB and James?

Barnslig · Dec 8, 2020

DomesticTadpole said:
You mean their manager worked out who the danger man was?

Yes? Obviously. I mean Bruno sticks out like a sore thumb for us, nullify him and we're toothless. However, how their solution to Bruno didn't get booked is questionable as the other yellows handed out were soft most of them. We ended up with 5 or 6 yellows I think?

KekiZeki · Dec 8, 2020

devilish said:
Should we trust the same guy who spent 145m on Maguire, AWB and James?

Those are decent signing. Pogba alone was 100 mil. and is much worse. We got ourselves in this situation. I am not thrilled we have to spend this much, but we have no other choice.

A-man · Dec 8, 2020

Wing Attack Plan R said:
Smalling at his best was a level Maguire has never reached, and it doesn't look like he's getting there anytime soon. Both Smalling and Maguire are good but not great.

I watched almost all Smalling’s matches last season and he made many costly mistakes. If we look at last season I would say Maguire was much better. This season is hard to say, as Maguire started bad and Smalling has got been injured so much that he has hardly played.

devilish · Dec 8, 2020

KekiZeki said:
Those are decent signing. Pogba alone was 100 mil. and is much worse. We got ourselves in this situation. I am not thrilled we have to spend this much, but we have no other choice.

seriously? Pogba lack good attitude but at least he's not an average player

BlahRules · Dec 8, 2020

Adam-Utd said:
He’s setup to defend for a draw and forgot that you actually need midfielders who can keep the ball and press themselves. They passed us off the pitch in the first 15 minutes and we looked completely lost.

oles got it wrong again unfortunately.

Its a weak mentality which also shows why the team always bottle it when it comes to the crunch.

VivaRonaldo85 · Dec 8, 2020

That back 5 is mid table PL at best let’s be perfectly honest. If we keep conceding basic goals from crosses and set pieces, our attacking flare becomes almost worthless.

The first 20 mins was unacceptable full stop. I don’t know if it was the different system, lack of desire, players like Shaw reappearing after 5 weeks out or what but something stinks if that’s the best United can offer in the biggest game of the season so far.

Asger · Dec 8, 2020

mitchmouse said:
I actually think - and I know most people here will disagree - Lindelof is our best defender. at least he reads the game

I agree, Maguire seems to struggle with every other partner. Why is he not the problem by most fans/media?

Sean_RedDevil · Dec 8, 2020

Berbaclass said:
Why not?

Because of the celebrations or the frustration.

Dave Smith · Dec 8, 2020

VivaRonaldo85 said:
That back 5 is mid table PL at best let’s be perfectly honest. If we keep conceding basic goals from crosses and set pieces, our attacking flare becomes almost worthless.

The first 20 mins was unacceptable full stop. I don’t know if it was the different system, lack of desire, players like Shaw reappearing after 5 weeks out or what but something stinks if that’s the best United can offer in the biggest game of the season so far.

Agreed. The defence at Utd is a joke.

AWB - A FB who in a different era would've been great, but isn't suited to the modern era which is being dominated by players like Davies, TAA and James.

McGurie aka The walking forehead - Too slow and not a good enough reader of the game to get away with it. At his best he is a Gary Cahill type of player i.e. upper midrange PL CB, although on his day can appear in the top end. At European level however, he is suspect as he cannot be as aggressive.

Lindelof - Does somethings quite well but way too passive in the big games and can get bullied by more physical teams. Should really be playing in Spain, Portugal or France or something as he could then allow his strengths to show more.

Shaw - Injuries have ruined the player he could've been. However, this was always a risk when brought as he was injury prone even as a kid. Now a average PL FB. When he leaves, he is heading for West Ham or something.

Telles - Still new to the league and did get covid. Suspect he will prove decent enough, although he is the type of player that looks great/very good if he is in a back line with other great players, but average if surrounded with other average players.

All in all, I still count Utd needing a minimum of two defensive players - CB and RB, whilst there is a strong arguement for two CB's. How this has happened after spending £130m in Summer 2019 is just plain crazy. At least Lindelof will not be a complete waste of money/hit as he will still recoup enough of his initial fee.

oz insomniac · Dec 9, 2020

Simple reality of this game, Ole showed yet again his poor game decisions, playing Magic in a midfield against a high energy, quick tempo team, leaves DVB and even Pogba on the bench and then wonders why we get over run.

The set up was defensive from the outset with DDG again showing his failure in dealing with crosses or balls into the 6 yard box, Ole has basically been out coached far too many times to be seen as a permanent Utd manager. Unfortunately, it’s not in Teflon Eds ball park to make a decision to that will see the club prosper on the field, not when it could cost financially.

More of the same continues under Ole.

gerdm07 · Dec 9, 2020

Machine Elements said:
Do you really think the same now?

He is not getting sacked. I don't think any owner or director would sack him after coming 3rd last season. The only way Ole gets sacked this season if we fail to get a result for about 8 matches straight. That would mean he has lost the players.

Web of Bissaka · Dec 9, 2020

KekiZeki said:
Those are decent signing. Pogba alone was 100 mil. and is much worse. We got ourselves in this situation. I am not thrilled we have to spend this much, but we have no other choice.

We actually do.

Recent summer signings are more sensible and showed the club finally learns... at least for that transfer window.

darko · Dec 9, 2020

The two up front were in positions that they should have finished but they didn't. Yes, there were big defensive blunders but if Leipzigs finishing was as poor as Rashford's and Greenwood's they wouldn't have scored a goal.

croadyman · Dec 9, 2020

devilish said:
Some actually thought that Ole is better then tuchel and nagelsmann

Yeah you have to laugh at those who naively believed he would get the better of them yet again

Buster15 · Dec 9, 2020

big rons sovereign said:
Ole ole ole ole ole. Sound familiar? Pots, kettles and all that.

Yep. Can't argue with that so slapped wrist accepted.

Buster15 · Dec 9, 2020

Ranchero said:
Go on Harry, admit it. It is the manager;s

£130m and we still cannot defend. THAT is more criminal that De Gea bottling it and turning his back instead of standing strong for their third goal

They were both good players when we signed them.

Machine Elements · Dec 9, 2020

gerdm07 said:
He is not getting sacked. I don't think any owner or director would sack him after coming 3rd last season. The only way Ole gets sacked this season if we fail to get a result for about 8 matches straight. That would mean he has lost the players.

Our previous manager got sacked a couple of months after finishing second. What's so great about coming 3rd? Also there's absolutely nothing to celebrate finishing top 4 when you monumentally fail in next season's Champions League anyway.

I don't care if he's got the players backing or not. He's not good enough and the worst thing is we (the ones who are not deluded) knew that right from the start. He's got to go.

VivaRonaldo85 · Dec 9, 2020

Dave Smith said:
Agreed. The defence at Utd is a joke.

AWB - A FB who in a different era would've been great, but isn't suited to the modern era which is being dominated by players like Davies, TAA and James.

McGurie aka The walking forehead - Too slow and not a good enough reader of the game to get away with it. At his best he is a Gary Cahill type of player i.e. upper midrange PL CB, although on his day can appear in the top end. At European level however, he is suspect as he cannot be as aggressive.

Lindelof - Does somethings quite well but way too passive in the big games and can get bullied by more physical teams. Should really be playing in Spain, Portugal or France or something as he could then allow his strengths to show more.

Shaw - Injuries have ruined the player he could've been. However, this was always a risk when brought as he was injury prone even as a kid. Now a average PL FB. When he leaves, he is heading for West Ham or something.

Telles - Still new to the league and did get covid. Suspect he will prove decent enough, although he is the type of player that looks great/very good if he is in a back line with other great players, but average if surrounded with other average players.

All in all, I still count Utd needing a minimum of two defensive players - CB and RB, whilst there is a strong arguement for two CB's. How this has happened after spending £130m in Summer 2019 is just plain crazy. At least Lindelof will not be a complete waste of money/hit as he will still recoup enough of his initial fee.

Agree with this. In addition, the squad management and transfer strategy of the defence is shambolic with Jones & Rojo picking up huge salaries for sitting in the stands and TFM, Tuanzebe and Bailly surprising us if they can play 3 games on the run before breaking down with another long term injury. This whole area is a mess and must be a priority for the club going forward.

Dave Smith · Dec 9, 2020

VivaRonaldo85 said:
Agree with this. In addition, the squad management and transfer strategy of the defence is shambolic with Jones & Rojo picking up huge salaries for sitting in the stands and TFM, Tuanzebe and Bailly surprising us if they can play 3 games on the run before breaking down with another long term injury. This whole area is a mess and must be a priority for the club going forward.

It is. When people talk about new players, they seem to always want to RWF and/or a CF, which I can understand but until CB and and attacking RB can be obtained the issues Utd face are still going to be there. On top of that there is also the problem with CM in that they aren't great at transitioning the ball. Essentially until the ball gets to Bruno play is too fragmented which in my opinion is way Utd only seem capable of putting 10-30 minutes of decent/good play together in any given game. Obviously some managers are better/much better than Ole and getting the best out of players who have defects so questions do need to be asked of him, however the squad is fundamentally flawed and requires a serious overhaul if Utd want to get back to the apex of English/European football.

gerdm07 · Dec 9, 2020

Machine Elements said:
Our previous manager got sacked a couple of months after finishing second. What's so great about coming 3rd? Also there's absolutely nothing to celebrate finishing top 4 when you monumentally fail in next season's Champions League anyway.

I don't care if he's got the players backing or not. He's not good enough and the worst thing is we (the ones who are not deluded) knew that right from the start. He's got to go.

Third was a great achievement given our poor results from August to January. I think we leaped from 6th to 3rd during the restart.

Would you like to make a wager that Ole has not been sacked come April 1st? I'll even give you 3:2 odds.

Bebestation · Dec 9, 2020

Are we out of the CL even if PSG lose?

Client6 · Dec 9, 2020

Bebestation said:
Are we out of the CL even if PSG lose?

Yes bruv, it's over. We are in Europa confirmed.

If PSG lose, their 3rd goal against us at OT will count and they will go ahead.

Bebestation · Dec 9, 2020

Client6 said:
Yes bruv, it's over. We are in Europa confirmed.

If PSG lose, their 3rd goal against us at OT will count and they will go ahead.

Okay thanks mate.

Hughie77 · Dec 11, 2020

TMDaines said:
Be honest: you started this post at 3-0, didn’t you?

No at 2 nil does it matter when I did it . Same outcome even if after 6 mins or 13 mins . What's the issue.

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