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    GlastonSpur

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    Did these guys win the league, or they celebrating coming second..
    We are celebrating several things: having won the game, an end of the WHL era and the start of a new one, continued progression from last season, a record club points total in the Prem era, and more.
     

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    Surely, Jose was trying to confuse the Ajax spy team. He must have told the team to play nonsense today. :D
     

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    Missed todays game completely. We were decent or poor? Reactive or proactive?
     

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    :lol:

    You lot are so small time!
    On the contrary, what's small time is the bitter posts in this thread in reaction to the fact that Spurs won today, deserved to win and now sit effectively 16 points above United in the league table.

    When Spurs deserve to lose I say so, which is more than can be said for many of the posts in this thread.
     

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    I get told this every season, yet despite the apparent 'threats' we tend to improve further. Curious that ....
    To date, your improvement has been one place in the Premier League. If you don't recruit heavily in the summer you'll find it much more difficult next season, which is why it's important you pick up some silverware ASAP. Poch keeps saying he wants to do a Fergie and build something there, if that's the case, it starts with winning something, until then, you're just nearly men. Look at Dortmund and Atletico, they actually win stuff and they still regularly lose players to the bigger teams. How long will it be before the likes of Kane and Ali decide that finishing second and third, empty handed every season isn't enough for class players at their peak?

    United are in the same boat, we need to be able to offer Champions league and be competitive in it in order the retain the likes of De Gea. If he'd have moved to Madrid last season, he'd be in his second Champions league final now. Try telling your players that Spurs is the way to go when you're up against the likes of that.
     

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    On the contrary, what's small time is the bitter posts in this thread in reaction to the fact that Spurs won today, deserved to win and now sit effectively 16 points above United in the league table.

    When Spurs deserve to lose I say so, which is more than can be said for many of the posts in this thread.
    There's not a fanbase more fickle than your lot. Spurs have been better than United this season, that's a fact.

    But the second you lot achieve a finish above Arsenal it's like you are on a grand mission and are destined to rule the world. The moment you fail, and it's all Levy and the manager's fault. You are the Man City of London, but at least they actually won something.
     

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    How's the ceremony party going? Can't be any worse than the West Ham one last year which we apparently spoilt for them.
     

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    17:03SAMUEL LUCKHURST
    United 'like rabble'
    United are like rabble out there. Daley Blind doesn’t know where to stand for a throw-in, Jesse Lingard is having to be positioned for a corner and the midfield is incoherent, Martial is detached from teammates and some of them look like they could join Rooney in China.

    Given the majority of these starters won’t line up in the Europa League you would expect a greater application in an attempt to provide Mourinho with a selection dilemma. This has so far been worse than the Arsenal defeat.

    Really starting to like Luckhurst. He tells it like it is and doesn't apologise for Rooney.
     

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    We are celebrating several things: having won the game, an end of the WHL era and the start of a new one, continued progression from last season, a record club points total in the Prem era, and more.
    A record points total for Tottenham mate.

    'And more'. What's that then?

    Spurs have been great this season but have fallen short again. It doesn't exactly convey a ruthless attitude to celebrate 2nd place in such an exuberant fashion.
     

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    To date, your improvement has been one place in the Premier League. If you don't recruit heavily in the summer you'll find it much more difficult next season, which is why it's important you pick up some silverware ASAP. Poch keeps saying he wants to do a Fergie and build something there, if that's the case, it starts with winning something, until then, you're just nearly men. Look at Dortmund and Atletico, they actually win stuff and they still regularly lose players to the bigger teams. How long will it be before the likes of Kane and Ali decide that finishing second and third, empty handed every season isn't enough for class players at their peak?

    United are in the same boat, we need to be able to offer Champions league and be competitive in it in order the retain the likes of De Gea. If he'd have moved to Madrid last season, he'd be in his second Champions league final now. Try telling your players that Spurs is the way to go when you're up against the likes of that.
    That's not correct. Since Pochettino arrived we have finished 5th, 3rd and 2nd. Moreover, every rise in place gets progressively harder once you are talking about the top 6 places. And we have also progressed in terms of almost every other measure, including points gained, goals scored and goals conceded.

    As for needing to "recruit heavily in the summer" - that's simply not the case. Our young team will improve further even without further recruitment, due to having gained further experience and further benefiting from additional coaching, not to mention further additions from our academy ranks.
     

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    That's not correct. Since Pochettino arrived we have finished 5th, 3rd and 2nd. Moreover, every rise in place gets progressively harder once you are talking about the top 6 places. And we have also progressed in terms of almost every other measure, including points gained, goals scored and goals conceded.

    As for needing to "recruit heavily in the summer" - that's simply not the case. Our young team will improve further even without further recruitment, due to having gained further experience and further benefiting from further coaching, not to mention further additions from our academy ranks.
    Agreed.
     

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    A record points total for Tottenham mate.

    'And more'. What's that then?

    Spurs have been great this season but have fallen short again. It doesn't exactly convey a ruthless attitude to celebrate 2nd place in such an exuberant fashion.
    Take your pick ... unbeaten at home the entire season for the first time since 1965, winning our last 16 home games in row etc.

    However, the celebration has not been about these things nor 2nd place - it's been mainly about the last ever game at WHL and the new stadium that will replace it. I'm not sure how you missed that.
     

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    A record points total for Tottenham mate.

    'And more'. What's that then?

    Spurs have been great this season but have fallen short again. It doesn't exactly convey a ruthless attitude to celebrate 2nd place in such an exuberant fashion.
    Seems like there are quite a few things you don't understand.
    Apart from that - even if we assumed that they celebrated their second place, we would have probably celebrated a 4th place in the league in the same manner. What does that tell about us?
    And Spurs fallen short? That has to be a joke...they overachieved hugely again, given their money and their stature they are a club set for 6th position. In contrary to us - who really fell short (again, 4th time in a row)
     

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    Take your pick ... unbeaten at home the entire season for the first time since 1965, winning our last 16 home games in row etc.

    However, the celebration has not been about these things nor 2nd place - it's been mainly about the last ever game at WHL and the new stadium that will replace it. I'm not sure how you missed that.
    You're often borderline unbearable when on the topic of your team.

    But this post is absolutely spot on.

    Spurs have had one of their best ever seasons at WHL, in their final season there. It's good to see emotional fans and players.

    Congrats on a solid season. Your lot did better than I thought they would. Not much to show for it other than positive upticks though.
     

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    That's not correct. Since Pochettino arrived we have finished 5th, 3rd and 2nd. Moreover, every rise in place gets progressively harder once you are talking about the top 6 places. And we have also progressed in terms of almost every other measure, including points gained, goals scored and goals conceded.

    As for needing to "recruit heavily in the summer" - that's simply not the case. Our young team will improve further even without further recruitment, due to having gained further experience and further benefiting from additional coaching, not to mention further additions from our academy ranks.
    I don't think anyone is doubting that you'll improve, the problem is that all your rivals will improve also. Are you confident enough to say that with minimal recruitment over the summer, you'll still comfortably achieve top 4 next year? We've seen better teams fall from grace and you're going to find next season tougher than this one, for sure.
     

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    we would have probably celebrated a 4th place in the league in the same manner. What does that tell about us?
    And Spurs fallen short? That has to be a joke...they overachieved hugely again, given their money and their stature they are a club set for 6th position.
    OK, leaving aside the patronising tone if your post, two points here:

    1. We wouldn't celebrate fourth, we'd breathe a sigh of relief and move on. There'd be a cheer from the crowd at the final whistle of the game that clinched fourth, but no fanfare.
    2. They may have overachieved but they know they had a brilliant opportunity to win the league and haven't done it, two years in a row. I'm sure the performance vs budget comparisons are little consolation to a Spurs fan given the knowledge that an even smaller club won the league last year.
     

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    I don't think anyone is doubting that you'll improve, the problem is that all your rivals will improve also. Are you confident enough to say that with minimal recruitment over the summer, you'll still comfortably achieve top 4 next year? We've seen better teams fall from grace and you're going to find next season tougher than this one, for sure.
    Well, it's not clear that all our rivals will necessarily improve. Chelsea, for example, will face the extra burden of European football, so are they really going to improve on their league points haul from this season, or might that points total decline? Arsenal may lose Sanchez and one or two other important players, and won't find recruitment so easy with, as seems likely, no CL football to offer. United may lose de Gea, and if so that's already one step back (almost regardless of who you replace him with) before you can think of steps forward. City have many ageing players (Clichy, Kolarov, Sagna, Zabaleta, Kompany, Toure, Silva and Fernandinho are all 31 or older) whose performances are likely to decline or else whom they'll need to try and successfully replace.

    However, at this stage I'm not going to say that Spurs will "comfortably achieve top 4 next year" - ask me again when the summer transfer window is about to close.
     

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    I don't quite understand most of the United fans here trying to call Spurs out. Their European campaign was bad, but other than that their progression over the last few years is much smoother than ours since Fergie left. I know which team I'd say was doing better, and it isn't the one who's won a meaningless cup playing almost no difficult games and might win a European trophy we normally take the piss out of.

    I'm not saying our season is a failure as such, actually really excited for the final, but I'd rather have most of spurs squad and manager than ours. I mean since the Chelsea game basically every match has just been bollocks for us, to the point where I've lost interest normally. I mean what is even the point in football when it's not entertaining? Pretty sure I started supporting United because of how entertaining and good we were, nit cause of the size of our trophy cabinet.
     

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    Well, it's not clear that all our rivals will necessarily improve. Chelsea, for example, will face the extra burden of European football, so are they really going to improve on their league points haul from this season, or might that points total decline? Arsenal may lose Sanchez and one or two other important players, and won't find recruitment so easy with, as seems likely, no CL football to offer. United may lose de Gea, and if so that's already one step back (almost regardless of who you replace him with) before you can think of steps forward. City have many ageing players (Clichy, Kolarov, Sagna, Zabaleta, Kompany, Toure, Silva and Fernandinho are all 31 or older) whose performances are likely to decline or else whom they'll need to try and successfully replace.

    However, at this stage I'm not going to say that Spurs will "comfortably achieve top 4 next year" - ask me again when the summer transfer window is about to close.
    Spurs had a poor summer last year in terms of recruitment - Sissoko and Janssen have been hugely disappointing although at least the latter has time on his side.

    Not sure they can afford a second summer of poor recruitment. As others have said, everyone else is likely to improve this summer and Spurs could easily run into injury problems next year, given the relatively small size of the squad.
     
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