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You deserve each other. I hope you reject all inflated bids. This is just too funny and believe me there will be more. The supporters won't mind him staying either.
 

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I dreamt last night we signed Lovren.

I wouldn't mind.
 

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Yeah, I think this World Cup will sway the voting quite a bit, much more then 2010.
That really depends if someone pulls out a series of match winning performances in the knockout stage, if James scores a couple more goal like that one last night and Colombia wins the WC, it's possible.

Otherwise, it's Messi's if ARgentina win the WC (even if he doesn't do anything and Argentina draw every game 0-0 and wins the PK each time), or Ronaldo's if Argentina lose to Switzerland or Belgium.

If they lose in the SF or final, it'd be a close vote methinks.
 

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That really depends if someone pulls out a series of match winning performances in the knockout stage, if James scores a couple more goal like that one last night and Colombia wins the WC, it's possible.

Otherwise, it's Messi's if ARgentina win the WC (even if he doesn't do anything and Argentina draw every game 0-0 and wins the PK each time), or Ronaldo's if Argentina lose to Switzerland or Belgium.

If they lose in the SF or final, it'd be a close vote methinks.
Yeah agreed.
 

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Liverpool are in a very awkward position with Suarez because with his history he's likely only 1 bite away from getting a 1 year+ ban which is obviously a disaster. Very few if any clubs could afford to lose a player of his ability for that long and Liverpool don't have anywhere close to enough strength in depth to do so. Getting 70m or 40m+ Sanchez etc seems like a decent offer and they'd be wise to at least consider it since Suarez shows no signs of changing his behaviour.
 

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No way they're getting Sanchez. Why would he risk going to them when there are other teams out there who could offer more in terms of money and chances of actually winning titles?
 

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The whole "they should sell him because he's a liability/embarrassment" argument doesn't really fly unless you value being squeaky clean as an important requirement of supporting a club. He's a great player, and unless he does something so horrendous he's banned from football altogether, he's going to be playing - and scoring - for someone. Probably someone very good too, so I don't see why they should sell him for that reason. From a Liverpool fan POV, he might as well be scoring for Liverpool. Even if it means he's out for significant parts of most seasons. He's still better having occasionally than not at all from a purely football point of view.

If you could only have Messi for 10 games a season, you still probably would.
 

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The whole "they should sell him because he's a liability/embarrassment" argument doesn't really fly unless you value being squeaky clean as an important requirement of supporting a club. He's a great player, and unless he does something so horrendous he's banned from football altogether, he's going to be playing - and scoring - for someone. Probably someone very good too, so I don't see why they should sell him for that reason. From a Liverpool fan POV, he might as well be scoring for Liverpool. Even if it means he's out for significant parts of most seasons. He's still better having occasionally than not at all from a purely football point of view.

If you could only have Messi for 10 games a season, you still probably would.
I fully agree with this perspective. Fans of all teams generally care mostly about performance. I know Suarez's conduct is exceptional but I still think his value to the team is exceptional as well. Players as good as him are very rare. I believe he will be sold reluctantly.

The morality argument is way overplayed. As Strachan said the other night (in so many words ), morality in football is an oxymoron so why get your knickers in a twist about it all.
 

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The Echo and Times say it's around £80m and I'd trust them over reports in Spain.
Interesting. No idea where I read 68m from but I'm sure I read it somewhere. Still, I think Barca can afford 80m considering that if their transfer ban kicks in next season, they'll definitely have the means to spend big this summer. Not sure if Sanchez will go your way though.

Are you sure it's £80m and not 80m Euros?
 

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The whole "they should sell him because he's a liability/embarrassment" argument doesn't really fly unless you value being squeaky clean as an important requirement of supporting a club. He's a great player, and unless he does something so horrendous he's banned from football altogether, he's going to be playing - and scoring - for someone. Probably someone very good too, so I don't see why they should sell him for that reason. From a Liverpool fan POV, he might as well be scoring for Liverpool. Even if it means he's out for significant parts of most seasons. He's still better having occasionally than not at all from a purely football point of view.

If you could only have Messi for 10 games a season, you still probably would.
except that the bans are going to get longer. Remember if he could control this, he would. Its a mental problem. Not even bringing up the image of the club. but we are talking about Liverpool...so that does not matter I suppose.
 

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except that the bans are going to get longer. Remember if he could control this, he would. Its a mental problem. Not even bringing up the image of the club. but we are talking about Liverpool...so that does not matter I suppose.
But as I said, if you could have a truly World Class player for only a half a season, you still would. As long as you can get some good cover, feck it.
 

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That really depends if someone pulls out a series of match winning performances in the knockout stage, if James scores a couple more goal like that one last night and Colombia wins the WC, it's possible.

Otherwise, it's Messi's if ARgentina win the WC (even if he doesn't do anything and Argentina draw every game 0-0 and wins the PK each time), or Ronaldo's if Argentina lose to Switzerland or Belgium.

If they lose in the SF or final, it'd be a close vote methinks.
I know they're out and defenders never win, but Godin scored the goal against Italy to get them out of the groups, to go with the goal he scored that got Atletico 30 seconds from winning the CL and the goal he scored to win them La Liga and a season of absolutely brilliant defending.

The World Cup is fun, but it's so few games that I don't think it should be as big a deal in Ballon D'or voting as it is.
 

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As much as Lallana is decent if they sell Suarez and replace with Southampton players I will be delighted. Gerrard is major on the slide also. Plus they will need to pull something special out the bag to finish top 4 especially with their venture into champs league. Big transfer window for Liverpool ahead, are they building on Suarez or selling and trying to rebuild. Imagine if they had kept Suarez and bought Sanchez that would have been real progress for them. Hope its the latter and they sell him.
They still have a back 5 of:

------Gerrard------
Flanagan--------Johnson
-----Sakho-Skrtel---

with Agger a question mark, Kolo fecking Toure, Illori and Coates having potential but who knows if they'll even get a shot. I wouldn't worry too much.

By the 15-16 season, Rodgers will have the massive problem of a declining Gerrard and no place to hide him. That will be interesting.
 

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The whole "they should sell him because he's a liability/embarrassment" argument doesn't really fly unless you value being squeaky clean as an important requirement of supporting a club. He's a great player, and unless he does something so horrendous he's banned from football altogether, he's going to be playing - and scoring - for someone. Probably someone very good too, so I don't see why they should sell him for that reason. From a Liverpool fan POV, he might as well be scoring for Liverpool. Even if it means he's out for significant parts of most seasons. He's still better having occasionally than not at all from a purely football point of view.

If you could only have Messi for 10 games a season, you still probably would.
While I agree that morality, being squeaky clean and so on are probably overvalued by fans (and might not be so important for the people actually running the team), I don't think your last sentence holds up really. It doesn't make sense to me that you'd be willing to only have your best player for 1/5 of a season, a player you'd normally build your team around. It would disrupt the preparation, and requires you to have strong back-up for the other 4/5 of the season. Going for another option that might not be quite as good, but that would guarantee you a full season of solid performances (especially since we're apparently talking of Suarez being replaced by Sanchez, not exactly a shit player himself) is better in the long run, and more interesting for the manager I'd say.

I think what someone said above about it not only being a 4 month ban but also having a Damocles sword hanging over his head for any future offence which could result in a really lengthy ban is very true. The guy is clearly unstable and Liverpool might (might, I really don't have a clue myself) reckon it's hard to plan long term with him and go for a safer option.
 

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Why couldn't you have dreamt about Thiago Silva or Varane or someone? :(
That's not how this works.

Last time I dreamt I was a footballer, I was Charlie Adam.


Charlie fecking Adam.

I thought I was the bees knees in the dream as well. The feckwit.