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They have an almost monopoly in Catalonia though, and pretty much everyone on that region dreams to join them. In addition, Spain (together with Germany) are probably the best football countries right now.

Here it would be more difficult because in 30 miles we have 4 Premier League clubs. In addition, City offers to young players and their families a good financial package while also having superior training ground. Which is perhaps why we have started heavily recruiting from outside of England.
Interesting interview to read with Heiko Vogel, the Bayern head coach for the U23 and U19.

http://www.tz.de/sport/fc-bayern/vogel-haben-deutschland-ausbildungsproblem-6005777.html

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FC Bayern Munich II - When FC Bayern all is well - only the talent comes in the public currently not so well off. An interview with Heiko Vogel, who is coordinating the three junior teams in the interface to the professional department and the U 23 supervised.
Mr. Vogel, winter break in sixth place, nine points behind: Did the athletic director Heiko Vogel have read the riot act to the U 23 coach Heiko Vogel before the holiday?
No. It is parted peacefully. One has to see everything in context. Clear sixth place is not satisfactory. But when times sees the circumstances, it is the way it is.
"It's the way it is" - which is a formulation that is unlikely to be acceptable at Bayern. , ,
Sure, but so casually I did not mean. I said: We know why it's like that. Worse would be if we did not know where to begin. Sometimes the right lever is the serenity. We have high standards, which means a lot of work. Always. But for me it's something nice. I won jilted under the Christmas tree therefore - but this also does not mean that I do not work in the non-training phase.
Uli Hoeness, you told me, represents critical questions - he must provide you with many to many in the past half year, it?
It provides legitimate and interesting questions. With it, the exchange is always fruitful, he's not a guy who strikes skin in love with strangers. He's a lot - and he demands a lot. He has several times spoken before of the team - in a sensational way since illuminate the eyes of the player, you should see! At the first contact with him is awe in the faces. Once you often talk to him, but he takes a reverence these really incredibly fast. He has an aura that arrives at each. Whether that's a talent or a veteran.
And what he did because now in such demand?
There are mostly questions that go beyond the bigger picture. And he often asks for the development of individual players. The people would be surprised if they knew how exactly he knows about our talents, well into the lower junior level. Sometimes I ask myself, how he does it all. But to make it.
The Second Division is away with the U 23, U 19 is the only sixth. , , is the U 17 just the greatest pleasure, as the leader?
The table image is not our only yardstick. The U 19 had major injury problems. Anyone who believes that in the junior work everything is controlled with a snap of the fingers, is wrong. Whoever wants to make a difference, who takes time. Therefore, we are guided by tables not madden.
Neither of an environment that increasingly impatient asks: Where is now the next Alaba, the next Müller?
It is legitimate for the environment thinks so. Our professional team is just unique, it is unique claims derive, for our juniors. , ,
, , , and unique problems: Nowhere is it so hard to convict talents to the pros, but nowhere the reputation as demanding.
Yes. But simply can indeed everyone. Our aim must be that we say in five years: The pros are still unique - and we did it, while integrating four, five own talents.
The term "bird's eye" scored with you a double meaning: As it is with the youth of FC Bayern in December 2015?
We have ad hoc screws tackled. The permeability within the vintages about is greater than before. We have very good transfers made such as Timothy Tillman and have so far never been in the planning for the new season. But I think that we have an education problem in the whole of Germany. , ,
In what way?
When I use the U 19-, 17- U, U-15 Bundesliga look at me so, I note: The teams are tactically all at incredible levels - but at the expense of individuality. But individuality is at the end of what has to arrive at the above professionals.
What is the solution?
The individuality is lost because early with young players is crammed tactics. As I see U-15 games and think to myself: madness, as the move already, unbelievable! But if you then ask me for a talent that I want to see again, I must fit. The tactic stifles individuality. I want there now do not say: Back to basics! But again we need more players who make the difference, from the team's tactical structure out. I do not negate the tactics, it is important. But I want to see again preferably promoted the individual training.
Germany needs more specialists again.
You have to let it be a specialist to specialist, must not make the idler him. Just we need at Bayern players who tie break in a confined space, have ideas. Against an opponent who defended deep with all hands, I need the specialists with his promptings. I miss those guys in the whole of Germany.
They said that the plans for the new season are as far as ever. Under what premise you make transfers? Last summer was in the youth sector at Bayern spent more than before.
The market calls prices, unbelievable. Since we can not go as a club against. We are internally agree that just junior transfers should always proceed at a reasonable level - a transfer fee is always a backpack, with a young player to everything else needs to be done in addition once. Sometimes he is too heavy, then fails the greatest talent. The media, which is clearly ticking so: As soon as Bayern paid a sum X is an adolescent, the same as the stamp has it: top talent! But that's not true, yes, that's not fair.
English million will muddle the football term. If youth work more important than ever? The famous fixed deposit account is also not infinite.
I still do not see the big million flooding that target talents. , ,
, , , Manchester City has invested 18 million euros in youngsters. , ,
The already. But where are these so-called young stars? One of my favorite players, José Tasende, born in 1997, they have brought for 4.5 million of Villarreal - who plays now the partner club FC New York. Transfers are one thing, training is another. If I have a lot of money available, I run also risk spending it recklessly. We need to counter with arguments - and good education is an important argument. We definitely did not join this million game to the extent that we have to find other creative ways. And therein we are good.
Fan-hearts beat faster at the thought that a team with grown core of a multi-million dollar mercenaries snatches the title.
Currently there is still that way. Manchester City has invested well over one billion - the title yield is manageable. International is fizzles.
Speaking of romance: Guardiola reads his players may times before. Also, you say that if it does not fit, why? If it happened already?
Earlier ever. This year I unpacked only now and then a quote. The much-quoted Wolfsrudel of Rudyard Kipling's first Jungle Book, for example: "The strength of the Wolf is the Pack and the strength of the Pack is the Wolf." Will say: The individual is as strong as the team, the team as strong as individuals. It benefits from each other. All as a lone wolf? No chance! And just as a team? As you reach a certain level, but you will come up against limits. In football, it is important that you learn to play his part.
We talked about issues that go beyond the bigger picture. They meet occasionally with the sports psychologist Christian Marcolli who works among others with Roger Federer.
With Chris I already connects long friendship. He often has a different perspective. Every now and then the right, but always an extra. The talks about how you can still tease out at the highest level nuances. Both I as a coach for me and my players. It goes beyond a certain level always to enable final percentages.
Can you give a concrete example of Europe?
 

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He has, for example, the terminology "online" and "offline". If we have an important game ahead of us, it does not help to sit three days early in a tunnel. This mental alertness can not be maintained for so long. I tell my players every now and then: So now Feierabend! Once I've been practicing with the team tactics. That did not meet my expectations, but after at some point I said: Okay, enough! Nico Feldhahn looked at me in disbelief: How, that's enough? Yes, I said, what should arrive at the top, has already arrived. Although it has now is not working, but that's just not the decisive factor. You do it not for my sake, but because we want to win. Nico was surprised and said that other coaches would sooner disengaged because with him.
If the biography of tennis star Roger Federer have a nice Christmas?
When one deals with it, can be seen just as a young player, where you can work on yourself. Federer was blessed with talent early, but he was very young, a choleric, he lost in his attacks to look for his game. And today? I was allowed to see him train once: an insane experience. He is one of the greatest athletes that ever there was. But we have plenty of their own examples in their faces. Once Arjen Robben has trained at the same with us - a real honor! I was impressed by his obsession. With Arjen knows no limits. He has clearly shown the boys: Look, this is absolutely world class. Since you going. So give it all! As Holger Badstuber has made his first steps with us after his long injury, it was just: All 100 percent. Since we do Shots, and whoever runs after his shot at top speed back, while others trot loose? Holger Badstuber!
How would the biography of Zlatan Ibrahimovic as book tip?

You will laugh: The I just got paid. Robben is Robben, Federer is Federer, Ibrahimovic is Ibrahimovic. They all have in common that they are talented above average - and all were busy. Ibrahimovic is, despite his reputation, just as sure. Or have a look at Cristiano Ronaldo! Anyone who thinks that is only on his yacht, mistaken. So he has not a body, because the natural or he's such a vain vain peacock. But because he knows this body is its capital.
Sinan Kurt, the FC Bayern has dug deep into his pocket, has so far not yet ensure Furore. Make it there?
What happened to him, he himself in his hand. You have to see the footballers in him: If one picks him apart - terrific! He has super great assets: gold in his left foot, he's quick off the mark, he understands the game. Its possibilities are enormous. I'll take him true as polite, sometimes restrained people. He had certainly not easy - Keyword backpack, his move has accompanied much-media hoopla. But he can not do anything.
Supposedly an extravagant helicopter flight has thus brought the guiding floor up the wall, that the rod is broken.
The staff would not be broken, in my view, if he manages to reach his potential. This story by helicopter does not do justice to him. If I can avoid it, I would have advised him against it because something in the public always bad arrives. But you should still give him time.
They told me, do not be a discovery, because it was not difficult to discover David Alaba or Toni Kroos. Columbus was an explorer, you said. Is the task of training talents for the professional squad of FC Bayern, your personal Egg of Columbus?
It is a difficult task, no question. But we are not even in front of a shambles. It is all in all a solvable task. Simply requires time.
 

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@finneh What about the rule for home grown players? Should they all just play for your Youth teams without constant training, developing, etc.?
 

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@finneh Have you gone mad? Sounds like you've contracted a severe case of Glazer-itis.
I'd be stunned if we weren't constantly doing cost-benefit analysis for all activities within the club, that's just good business practice.

Out of interest can you find any links to substantiate this? I havent read his latest book, I assume if he said anything like this it was in there?
He's definitely said in the past that certain youth players were on our radar, but that we were well stocked in that position in terms of young players. I'd have to trawl through google to find specific examples, which I'll do if I get time.

@finneh What about the rule for home grown players? Should they all just play for your Youth teams without constant training, developing, etc.?
To be honest the rule for homegrown players is pretty easy to achieve without having any players come through your own academy. At the moment we have Smalling, Jones, Shaw, Young, Rooney and Carrick all of whom qualify and none of which have come through our youth system (giving us a 23 man squad which is plenty). Our policy of buying the best young English talent would remain in tact (or in truth reintroduced as we've been dragging our feet these last 6-7 years) and hopefully if we had a system whereby we had closer partnerships with the best English academies in the Country we'd have first refusal on these talents.

Also, maybe if the funds were put more into our scouting network and other partnerships with clubs we'd have bought the best English players as well. Are the likes of Depay, Blind, Rojo, Darmian & Fellaini any better than Dele Alli, Clyne, Sterling & Bertrand? If we find good enough players at 17, 18 or 19 we'd be buying them and loaning them out to other clubs which is how Porto are so successful.
 

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To be honest the rule for homegrown players is pretty easy to achieve without having any players come through your own academy. At the moment we have Smalling, Jones, Shaw, Young, Rooney and Carrick all of whom qualify and none of which have come through our youth system (giving us a 23 man squad which is plenty). Our policy of buying the best young English talent will remain in tact and hopefully if we had a system whereby we had closer partnerships with the best English academies in the Country. In fact I'd argue our policy of buying the best English players should be reintroduced, as it seems to have faded in the last 5-6 years.
Thank god the prices for the best english talents haven't exploded at all in the last years... with the new TV money they'll probably keep burstin through the ceiling. Is it really more financially sound to buy five 20 year olds for a total of 100million every few yers instead of part that money into a top notch academy and staff?
 

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To be honest the rule for homegrown players is pretty easy to achieve without having any players come through your own academy. At the moment we have Smalling, Jones, Shaw, Young, Rooney and Carrick all of whom qualify and none of which have come through our youth system (giving us a 23 man squad which is plenty). Our policy of buying the best young English talent would remain in tact (or in truth reintroduced as we've been dragging our feet these last 6-7 years) and hopefully if we had a system whereby we had closer partnerships with the best English academies in the Country we'd have first refusal on these talents.
Th Uefa requires 4 players formed at the club between the age of 16 and 21 years old for at least 3 seasons, so from your list only Rooney is interesting.
 

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Thank god the prices for the best english talents haven't exploded at all in the last years... with the new TV money they'll probably keep burstin through the ceiling. Is it really more financially sound to buy five 20 year olds for a total of 100million every few yers instead of part that money into a top notch academy and staff?
It certainly seems like the sounder bet at the moment, considering our squad consists of £10m worth of academy "talents" that have graduated over the last 10 years. But again it's also about investing in the scouting department, rather than sitting on your hands until players cost £40m. Dele Alli cost around £5m, Sterling cost Liverpool £5m (+20% of next sale), Ramsey cost Arsenal £5m, Bale cost Spurs around £8m. Eric Dier cost Spurs £4m and although he's no world beater would he be any worse than Fellaini at £27m? Shaw at £30m would still be great value if he continued on his early season trajectory. Good value also doesn't always mean cheap, Sterling at £50m looks infinitely better value than Memphis for £35m.

A robust scouting network would have you hoovering up a lot of these talents and then loaning them out to your partnered clubs and then playing them once they were ready for the first team. This is basically just a high grade version of what Porto do, or what Chelsea did with Courtois, Lukaku & De Bruyne (the latter two they cocked up the part where they become good enough and should be integrated into the team)

Either way we should be spending around £125m a season on transfers to stay on top anyway (irrespective of our League position). If this is on the best English talent around for £40m, a World Class player for £60m and a few young talents to buy and farm out or squad players for £25m then that shouldn't be a problem. Repeat that every year and you should have a constantly refreshing quality squad that also accounts for the odd few flops.

I think people don't realise that in terms of Man United's net profit; Rio Ferdinand alone cost us the equivalent of £150m this year.

Th Uefa requires 4 players formed at the club between the age of 16 and 21 years old for at least 3 seasons, so from your list only Rooney is interesting.
Does that include players who are bought at 17 and loaned out for 3-4 years or the likes of Shaw who're 20 and been here 2 years (so will be 21 in a year)? Again though it's only 4 players out of a squad of 25; in our current squad I wouldn't be playing anyone in the Champions League who met this criteria anyway so I'd just take a reduced squad rather than paying superfluous players who are barely going to warm the bench.
 

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Does that include players who are bought at 17 and loaned out for 3-4 years or the likes of Shaw who're 20 and been here 2 years (so will be 21 in a year)? Again though it's only 4 players out of a squad of 25; in our current squad I wouldn't be playing anyone in the Champions League who met this criteria anyway so I'd just take a reduced squad rather than paying superfluous players who are barely going to warm the bench.
Yes, basically the player have to join the club at 18 years old at latest and can't be loaned, he has to be inside the buildings for three years. As for the second part, an academy costs nothing and academy graduates cost nothing in wage too, they cost a lot less than any other purchased player, an Academy will always allow you do find the 4 needed players for cheap, for example a third goalkeeper.

Edit: To be precise, long term loans cancel a year.
 

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Does that include players who are bought at 17 and loaned out for 3-4 years or the likes of Shaw who're 20 and been here 2 years (so will be 21 in a year)? Again though it's only 4 players out of a squad of 25; in our current squad I wouldn't be playing anyone in the Champions League who met this criteria anyway so I'd just take a reduced squad rather than paying superfluous players who are barely going to warm the bench.
To quote the UEFA rule:

A "club-trained player" is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of the season during which he turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which he turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant national championship) or of 36 months.


Players on loan don't count.
 

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I couldn't disagree more with the OP - as a matter of fact I think that youth development is more important now than it ever has been.

We are in an era of big TV money, open boarders, somewhat relaxed association rules regarding players home countries - these reasons alone make it absolutely necessary to invest and produce in our Academy. The PL is not the only league that is benefitting from the lucrative TV deals - all major leagues are and because of that there are teams that can afford to bid on players that they were never before able to bid on. What does this mean for United? It means that we now have more competition when trying to purchase a potential world class player. In the past there was a much smaller group of clubs that could actually go in for a player viewed to be on the expensive side. Now that group has expanded greatly and includes many more clubs than even 5 years ago. Not only do more clubs have the financial means to buy expensive players but these clubs are getting to advertise themselves by playing on TV and being seen in countries and markets they were never seen in before. To be fair, we will still see the might powers of the game try and flex their muscle ($) when it comes down to it - but in the end there is exponentially more competition to buy players than in years past.

On top of that - many associations have enforced rules that require clubs to invest in the Academy system, be it structure, coaches or facilities. We are seeing more and more clubs develop top class facilities that have the potential to attract those. In the past, United could lay claim to one of the best Academy set ups in all of Europe - while it is still a top class facility with a top class structure, there are many, many more clubs that have created the same type of environments that have the potential of attracting top young talent.

In the end - every club in England and to a degree, Europe have a better chance of competing with the top clubs than ever before in all facets of football. Because of that increased competition, I would think it be more important than ever to try and develop talent coming through our Academy system. The bottom line is that we are going to miss out on players and we must be able to adequately fill our needs with homegrown talent when/if that occurs.
 

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Interesting interview to read with Heiko Vogel, the Bayern head coach for the U23 and U19.

http://www.tz.de/sport/fc-bayern/vogel-haben-deutschland-ausbildungsproblem-6005777.html

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Interesting and very relevant interview. Hope you don't mind me polishing up the translation a bit. He's not a City fan.
Mr. Vogel, winter break in sixth place, nine point gap: Has the director of athletics Heiko Vogel read the riot act to the U 23 coach Heiko Vogel before the holiday?

No. They parted peacefully. One has to see everything in context. Clearly sixth place is not satisfactory. But in the circumstances of the times, it is the way it is.

‘It is at it is’ is hardly a formula acceptable at FC Bayern …

Sure, but I did not mean it so casually. I said: We know why it's like that. It would be worse if we did not know where to begin. Sometimes the right lever is serenity. We have high standards, which means a lot of work, always. But for me it's something nice. I could therefore still sit under Christmas tree - but this also does not mean that I do not work in the non-training phase.

Uli Hoeness, you say, provides critical questions – has he given you many in the past half year, too many, maybe?

He puts legitimate and interesting questions. With him the exchange is always fruitful, he's not a guy who strikes the skin in love with strangers. He gives a lot - and he demands a lot. He has several times spoken to the team - in a sensational way that illuminates the eyes of the players, you should see it! At the first contact with him awe is in the faces. Even if you are speaking to him regularly, he draws this incredible reverence. He has an aura that reaches everyone. Whether that's a young talent or a veteran.

And what is he asking of you now?

Mostly questions that go beyond the bigger picture. And he often asks after the development of individual players. People would be surprised if they knew how exactly he knows about our talents, well into the lower junior level. Sometimes I ask myself, how he does it all. But he does it.

The Second Division is out of reach of the U23s, the U 19 is only sixth … is the U 17 the most joy, as championship leader?

The league table is not our only yardstick. The U 19’s had major injury problems. Anyone who believes that in the junior work everything is controlled with a snap of the fingers, is wrong. Whoever wants to make a difference, takes time. Therefore, we don’t let ourselves go crazy about tables.

Also, it is not an environment that demands with increasing impatience: Where is the next Alaba, the next Müller, now?

It is legitimate in this environment to think that way. Our professional team is just unique, and from it, unique demands derive for our juniors...

... and unique problems: Nowhere is it so hard to transform youth talent to the pros, but nowhere is the reputation as demanding.

Yes. But anyone can do it. Our aim must be that we say in five years: The pros are still unique - and we did it, while integrating four, five own talents.

The term "bird's eye view" [Vogel-perspective] has received a double meaning through you: It applies to the youth of FC Bayern in December 2015?

We have to address ad hoc determining factors. The transfer opportunities within the various age groups is greater than ever before. We have very good transfers made such as Timothy Tillman and have so far never been in the planning for the new season. But I think that we have an education problem in the whole of Germany.

In what way?

If I look at the U19, U17, U15 Bundesliga in this way, I note: The teams are tactically all at incredible levels - but at the expense of individuality. But individuality is at the end the primary requirement for becoming top professionals.

What is the solution?

Iindividuality is lost because young players are crammed with tactics early on. As I see U-15 games and I think to myself: madness, all the moves already, unbelievable! But if you then ask me for a talent that I want to see again, I must go with it. Tactics stifle individuality. I do not want to say now: Back to basics! But again we need more players who make the difference, from the team's tactical structure out. I do not negate the (value of) tactics, they are important. But I want to see individual training again given precedence and promoted.

Germany needs more specialists again.

You have to let a specialist be a specialist, you must not make a follower out of him. Just as we need players at Bayern who operate profitably in confined spaces, and have ideas. Against an opponent who defend deep with all hands on deck, I need the specialist with his promptings. I miss those guys in the whole of Germany.
 
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You said that the plans for the new season are further advanced than ever before. Under what premise do you make transfers? Last summer the youth sector at Bayern spent more than they have before.

The market dictates prices, unbelievable. We cannot as a club go against that. We are internally agreed that just junior transfers should always proceed at a reasonable level - a transfer fee, once completed, may become a ‘backpack’ on the back of a young player in addition to everything else. Sometimes it is too heavy, then even the greatest talent fails. The media, it is clear, are ticking boxes: Once FC Bayern paid a sum of X for an adolescent, that player has the stamp on him : top talent! But that's not true, and yes, that's not fair.

English millions will muddle the football scene. If so, is youth work more important than ever? The famous Financial Fair Play has its limitations.

I still do not see the big millions flooding that target talents. , ,

...Manchester City has 18 Million Euros invested in youth stars...

Already. But where are these so-called young stars? One of my favorite players, José Tasende, born in 1997, they have brought for 4.5 million of Villarreal – he plays now with their partner club FC New York. Transfers are one thing, training is another. If I have a lot of money available, I run also risk of spending it recklessly. We need to counter with arguments - and good education is an important argument. We definitely did not join this million game to the extent that we have to find other creative ways. And therein we are good.

Fan-hearts beat faster at the thought that a team with a homegrown core snatches the title from one made up of multi-million dollar mercenaries

Currently it is still that way. Manchester City has invested well over one billion - the title yield is clear enough. But internationally this effect fizzles out.

Speaking of romance: Guardiola picked his players under these circumstances many times before. Even you say that if it does not suit, why? If it happened already?

Many times already. This year I have unpacked on occasion a particular quote. That much-quoted Wolfsrudel of Rudyard Kipling's first Jungle Book, for example: "The strength of the Wolf is the Pack and the strength of the Pack is the Wolf." I say: The individual is as strong as the team, the team as strong as the individuals. They benefit from each other. All working as lone wolves? No chance! And just as a team? You may reach a certain level, but you will come up against limits. In football, it is important that each learns to play his part.

We have talked about questions that go beyond the bigger picture. You meet occasionally with the sports psychologist Christian Marcolli who works among others with Roger Federer.

With Chris I already share a long friendship. He often has a different perspective. Every now and then the right one, but always something extra. He talks about how you can still tease out nuances at the highest level. For both me as a coach and for me and my players. It goes beyond a certain level, always, to enable final percentages.

Can you give a handy concrete example?

He has, for example, the terminology "online" and "offline". If we have an important game ahead of us, it does not help to sit in a tunnel three days before. This mental alertness cannot be maintained for so long. I tell my players every now and then: So now let’s shut up shop! Once I was practicing with the team tactics. That did not meet my expectations, but after at some point I said: Okay, enough! Nico Feldhahn looked at me in disbelief: How is that enough? Yes, I said, what should arrive at the top, has already arrived. Although it is not working now, that's just not the decisive factor. You are not doing this for my sake, but because we want to win. Nico was surprised and said that other coaches would have flipped out with him sooner.

Would the biography of tennis star Roger Federer make a nice Christmas present?

When one looks at him, you can really see how, just as a young player, where you can work on yourself. Federer was blessed with talent early, but he was very young, a choleric, his attacks lost him the opportunity to look after his game. And today? I was allowed to see him train once: an insane experience. He is one of the greatest athletes that ever there was. But we have plenty of their own examples in front of our noses. Arjen Robben trained once at the same facility as us - a real honor! I was impressed by his obsession. Arjen knows no limits. He has clearly shown the boys: Look, this is absolutely world class. Since you going. So give it all! Also Holger Badstuber made his first steps with us after his long injury, it was just: All 100 percent. When we are doing shots on goal, who runs after his shot at top speed back, while others trot slackly? Holger Badstuber!

How would the biography of Zlatan Ibrahimovic rate as a book tip?

You will laugh: I have just been given that. Robben is Robben, Federer is Federer, Ibrahimovic is Ibrahimovic. They all have in common that they are talented above average - and all were busy. Ibrahimovic is, despite his reputation, [that way] just as surely. Or have a look at Cristiano Ronaldo! Anyone who thinks he is only on his yacht, is mistaken. So he doesn’t have the body he has because it was given to him by nature, or because he's such a vain, vain peacock. But because he knows this body is his capital.

FC Bayern have dug deep in the pocket for Sinan Kurt, but so far he has surely not caused a sensation. Will he make it there?

His destiny, he holds in his own hands. You have to see the footballer in him: If you analyse him - terrific! He has super great assets: gold in his left foot, he's quick off the mark, he understands the game. His possibilities are enormous. I take him as a genuine, polite, sometimes restrained man. He had certainly not had it easy - Keyword ‘backpack’, his move has accompanied much-media hoopla. But he cannot do anything [about that].

Apparently he took an extravagant helicopter flight to the Executive Floor; that ‘staff is broken’. [Has become an embarrassment]

The staff would not be broken, in my view, if he manages to reach his potential. This story by helicopter does not do justice to him. If I could have avoided it, I would have advised him against it because doing something like in the public always has bad outcomes. But you should still give him time.

You said once ‘do not be a discovery, because it was not difficult to discover David Alaba or Toni Kroos’. ‘Columbus was an explorer’, you said. Is the task of training talents for the professional squad of FC Bayern, your personal Columbus’ Egg ?

It is a difficult task, no question. But we are not confronting any kind of a shambles. It is, all in all, a solvable task. Simply requires time.
 

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Yes, basically the player have to join the club at 18 years old at latest and can't be loaned, he has to be inside the buildings for three years. As for the second part, an academy costs nothing and academy graduates cost nothing in wage too, they cost a lot less than any other purchased player, an Academy will always allow you do find the 4 needed players for cheap, for example a third goalkeeper.

Edit: To be precise, long term loans cancel a year.
Fair enough. However academies definitely do not cost nothing, far from it. The rental costs of the grounds to train them and the buildings they train and study in, the upkeep costs of the training grounds, the upkeep costs of the building, the salaries of all the coaching staff who coach them from around 10 years old, the teachers we employ to educate them as part of our rounded program of education, the chefs who cook for them, their wages from 16 years old when they are first put on a professional contract (starting at even £250 per week and going up to a 5-10 grand a week when they get to say Blackett's stage of development, where they aren't good enough to contribute but are possibly too good to let go). These amongst many other miscellaneous costs associated to training kids for around a decade.
 

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Fair enough. However academies definitely do not cost nothing, far from it. The rental costs of the grounds to train them and the buildings they train and study in, the upkeep costs of the training grounds, the upkeep costs of the building, the salaries of all the coaching staff who coach them from around 10 years old, the teachers we employ to educate them as part of our rounded program of education, the chefs who cook for them, their wages from 16 years old when they are first put on a professional contract (starting at even £250 per week and going up to a 5-10 grand a week when they get to say Blackett's stage of development, where they aren't good enough to contribute but are possibly too good to let go). These amongst many other miscellaneous costs associated to training kids for around a decade.
There is a report from the ECA on youth academies, and it costs up to 10m per year, most clubs are between 1m and 5m per year.

This is what the clubs have to say, it's from the European Club Association:

  • 60% of the clubs spend less than 6% of their budget on youth academy.
  • 30% of the clubs spend up to 500k€ on youth academy.
  • 30% of the clubs spend between 500k€ and 1.5m€ on youth academy.
  • 30% of the clubs spend above 3m on youth academy.

It makes sense to invest in youth because with an efficient youth academy the clubs save money by not paying transfers and inflated salaries. This policy will bring sanity back to the game and improve its connection with their fans. Indeed, we found that the average spending on youth academies across Europe is only 6% of the total club's budget, but 60% of the clubs consider that their youth academy is a source of income, rather than a cost. Half of the youth academies have the objective to create economic added value.

Investments in a youth academy offer a good return, also in terms of identification of players with the club and supporters.

With financial fair play coming into operation, the costs of the academy excluded from the breakeven requirements, make it essential for each club to increase investment in youth academies and to make it a crucial pillar of sustainable growth in club football.
 
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I think there is plenty relevant about youth development, be it: Financial - youth development is cheaper than buying an entire squad, Football - home grown players are a requirement these days or simple Pride (fans love to see a youth product succeed). To say it has NO relevance is crazy, forget club tradition, that's not a real reason but the rest make sense. These days the best players can't be easily bought from other PL clubs, Stones is a perfect example - good defender but is he really worth £50m? That's a lot of money for a good but hardly world class player. If big clubs didn't need youth development, why did Man City even bother to invest in it? At the very least we should be capable of producing enough youth players to sell on so that the youth academy pays for itself; smaller clubs use it to fund their entire existence, so it's not that much to expect! So I would say it's absolutely relevant and a manager who is commited to it is important (not essential but long term it has benefits).

The complaint that we haven't produced a world class / top quality player in the last few years says more about the state of our academy and the training methods used than it does the effectiveness of youth development. The class of 92 is a freak, once in a generation thing but we should still be capable of producing a top talent once every few years and a good few solid squad players to boot.
 

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Even if we are not likely to produce superstars in the coming years, I would still say that it is incredibly valuable to have them simply as squad players. Academy players are more likely to be satisfied with a bench role because they, more often than not, are fans of the club themselves. Players like Fletcher, Brown, O'Shea, Evans, and, to an extent, Cleverley and Welbeck (I guess he pushed for a move eventually, though) were important squad members. You can't have a team full of superstars. Sure, they were paid handsomely for their time on the bench, but I would argue that players with no connection to United at all would be more likely to kick up a fuss. Further, these players understand what it means to be a United-player, they know our history and values, and I reckon, as others have noted, that is contributes to strengthening the communal feel in the club.

As for OPs claim that some fans might not want Mourinho because he wouldn't play academy prospects, I would say that is not the only concern when it comes to youth. Mourinho would also be less likely to buy younger players elsewhere from, budding world-beaters like Martial, and nurture them into elite players. He has a reputation for preferring older, more mature players, as these are less likely to make mistakes. For me, this is problematic in two ways: firstly, I love watching young, talented players, such as Ronaldo, play for us -- sure, they might be inconsistent and make mistakes, but over time it is often worth it. Secondly, relying only older players is not a recipe for continual success; sure, you might do well in cycles of 2-3 years and then after that, splash the cash again on established players. We probably have the money for that, to be honest, but it just doesn't sit right with me, personally. Call me a romantic, or whatever, but I get a lot more satisfaction from United winning when it is clear that there has been a lot of planning, nurturing, and hard-work throughout the years, rather than just buying our way to success.
 

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Even if we are not likely to produce superstars in the coming years, I would still say that it is incredibly valuable to have them simply as squad players. Academy players are more likely to be satisfied with a bench role because they, more often than not, are fans of the club themselves. Players like Fletcher, Brown, O'Shea, Evans, and, to an extent, Cleverley and Welbeck (I guess he pushed for a move eventually, though) were important squad members. You can't have a team full of superstars. Sure, they were paid handsomely for their time on the bench, but I would argue that players with no connection to United at all would be more likely to kick up a fuss. Further, these players understand what it means to be a United-player, they know our history and values, and I reckon, as others have noted, that is contributes to strengthening the communal feel in the club.
Exactly. This isn't about dogmatic belief in youth over buying players, but just seems a practical measure. What's the point of buying squad players when we can bring them through ourselves? Maybe we'll find another Scholes or Giggs, maybe we won't , but we will always have a few John O Shea's or Phil Neville's , who are necessary players to have and do not have to be bought.