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And you guys are grossly over estimating them. Doing these skills has nothing to do with their general football abilities. I pay close attention to players during warm up etc when I go watch games and I guarantee Rooney or Memphis cant do some of the things Marcus is doing in that video.
I've seen Memphis do many of them in warm ups, infact Josh Harrop also
 

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I really hope Rashford isn't somehow knocked down the pecking order when next season comes. I honestly think this boy will be amazing for us if used the right way.

I know Mourinho usually plays a 4-2-3-1 but a 4-3-3 with a front 3 of Martial, Zlatan, Rashford would be ridiculously good in my mind. Each player suits that formation and the roles required perfectly. Ibrahimovic as the focal point/target man with his strength and skill, with Martial and Rashford running off either side of him being able to play as strikers but also as inverted wingers with their pace and agility. I really can't think of a better front 3 combination in the league. I just hope it works out how I imagine it and I hope Mourinho plays a 4-3-3.
 

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I only play football with friends and I can easily pull that off.
Exactly, they aren't even particularly difficult tricks and also would have absolutely no use in a game. English players not being able to do some fancy around the world, which I am sure they all can, is not the reason they lose games.
 

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I think only flair players can do this sort of thing and some exceptions. I remember Wayne Rooney having some weird Freestyle Football show many years back and he couldn't do half the things the kids did. Simple keepy uppies are easy enough, but adding elements to it are difficult and requires a lot of practice. But yeah, there should be no link between being able to do that and your performances on the field or rather, the correlation should be fairly minimal.
 

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I really hope Rashford isn't somehow knocked down the pecking order when next season comes. I honestly think this boy will be amazing for us if used the right way.

I know Mourinho usually plays a 4-2-3-1 but a 4-3-3 with a front 3 of Martial, Zlatan, Rashford would be ridiculously good in my mind. Each player suits that formation and the roles required perfectly. Ibrahimovic as the focal point/target man with his strength and skill, with Martial and Rashford running off either side of him being able to play as strikers but also as inverted wingers with their pace and agility. I really can't think of a better front 3 combination in the league. I just hope it works out how I imagine it and I hope Mourinho plays a 4-3-3.
If he continues to show quality then he will surely play.
 

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How about we play good old 4-4-2, with Rashford up front, Ibra as a target man and second striker, Martial on the left and Mkhitarian on the right? Not sure we have midfielders for it though.
 

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I think only flair players can do this sort of thing and some exceptions. I remember Wayne Rooney having some weird Freestyle Football show many years back and he couldn't do half the things the kids did. Simple keepy uppies are easy enough, but adding elements to it are difficult and requires a lot of practice. But yeah, there should be no link between being able to do that and your performances on the field or rather, the correlation should be fairly minimal.
I was going to mention Rooney when I saw so many posts claiming most footballers can do similar skills. Well Rooney cant that's for sure.

As you say, all players can do simple kick ups/keepy uppies but when it comes to more tricky skills demonstrated by Rashford in the video I would guess at well under 50% being capable of similar tricks.
 

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Exactly, they aren't even particularly difficult tricks and also would have absolutely no use in a game. English players not being able to do some fancy around the world, which I am sure they all can, is not the reason they lose games.
These skills one after the other illustrate how good Rashford's close control is, and it definitely reflects on the pitch.


^ Definitely not easy.

All I'm saying is stuff like this isn't prioritised once a lot of English players turn into a top level pro and it shows on the pitch. I know being able to pull this off doesn't make you a good or bad footy player, but it's excellent practice for close control, dribbling and technique.
 

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I've seen many of our academy kids put up clips doing those kinds of freestyle tricks.It has nothing to do with whether England is producing good footballers.
 

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I see nothing impressive about any of those videos. He even fumbles at it towards the end of the videos on the last page. Literally every single professional player can probably pull off a few keep ups and probably do so in training every other day.

Some of the skills videos you see are quite impressive mind but almost entirely pointless and completely irrelevant anyway to how good you are on the pitch.
 

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I was going to mention Rooney when I saw so many posts claiming most footballers can do similar skills. Well Rooney cant that's for sure.

As you say, all players can do simple kick ups/keepy uppies but when it comes to more tricky skills demonstrated by Rashford in the video I would guess at well under 50% being capable of similar tricks.
He does 2 around the worlds and 2 toe bounces. I have seen Rooney do both of those tricks. I have seen Toronto FC's 3rd choice keeper do both, in fact he also toe bounce controlled a 30+ yard pass. I very much doubt TFC's 3rd choice keeper is better at tricks than 50% of top level footballers.
 

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He does 2 around the worlds and 2 toe bounces. I have seen Rooney do both of those tricks. I have seen Toronto FC's 3rd choice keeper do both, in fact he also toe bounce controlled a 30+ yard pass. I very much doubt TFC's 3rd choice keeper is better at tricks than 50% of top level footballers.
Tbh a lot of the people who seem to be good at these skills stuff aren't even professional footballers. Doubt any pros actually practice any of this seriously once they reach a serious level
 

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He does 2 around the worlds and 2 toe bounces. I have seen Rooney do both of those tricks. I have seen Toronto FC's 3rd choice keeper do both, in fact he also toe bounce controlled a 30+ yard pass. I very much doubt TFC's 3rd choice keeper is better at tricks than 50% of top level footballers.
I'm not claiming what he is doing is impressive. I just think many footballers lack the agility to do it and their attributes are best suited to other aspects of the game. Yes TFC's 3rd choice keeper can do it, so can the 1 in 20 people playing at my local 5 a side league. That doesn't mean most professional footballers can do it. If that was the case you would see it more often. I can say with confidence that that most premier league defenders would struggle to do it consistently and smoothly as Rashford does. That's 30% of players out the window just there.

Show me a video of Rooney doing it and I will believe you.
 

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I'm not claiming what he is doing is impressive. I just think many footballers lack the agility to do it and their attributes are best suite to other aspects of the game. Yes TFC's 3rd choice keeper can do it, so can the 1 in 20 people playing at my local 5 a side league. That doesn't mean most professional footballers can do it. If that was the case you would see it more often. I can say with confidence that that most premier league defenders would struggle to do it consistently and smoothly as Rashford does. That's 30% of players out the window just there.

Show me a video of Rooney doing it and I will believe you.

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Thank you. Rooney looking awful and struggling to do simple skills as expected. Hardly doing what Rashford showed in the video is he. This just demonstrates Rooney is incapable of such tricks/skills.
 

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You wanted an around the world from him and I delivered.

I want him out, don't get me wrong, but to suggest that people who train football on a daily basis at such level and who are not absolutely diabolical with their technique is laughable.

I remember watching our lads' warmup before Leverkusen game away 3 or 4 years ago, most of them can pull that type of shit including such stars as TC23 or Buttner iirc.
 
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