Obviously, much better. Not quite good enough to be a guaranteed starter for United every week but the type of squad quality we should be looking for from our academy.
Danny 'Local Lad' Welbeck
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He's just being realistic. Playing Hernandez guaranteed you goals. Playing Welbeck guaranteed you nothing.
He scored one goal because he was moved to the wings to accommodate RVP but it was still a very poor return. The season before that he scored 13 goals playing in his favored position.
He was. But that season is the reason I will never regret selling him. He scored a grand total of 2 goals in 40 games. We've had quite a few frustrating players in the Fergie years, but that Welbeck season takes the cake for me. Probably because he had so many appearances and everyone in the media, some of the fans, even him, kept on harping that he needs to be played as a striker, give him a run of games and all the usual stuff. It's not like he played at CB. He excelled at being a utility man in attack, he worked hard, and I would be fine with having him in that role here, but his ambitions here were above his competence levels, and that's not really an attitude that fits the norm for a squad player. He hasn't really proven to be any different now than when he left, and I think some of our fans are still being lenient on him because he's an academy product. And he just scored his first two goals of the season today. I think that alone proves he's not what we need now.
I am not in the known with what meme are hot in the market right now, but I just realized that Welbeck celebration was an imitation of Nusret "Salt Bae." Very unique in football and good for him.
Watching his performance today, we could have benefited form keeping him the last few season. However, this season he might have struggled to get in our team with Mhkitaryan, Mata, Zlatan and Martial all being strong opposition for a place in the attacking first eleven.
Watching his performance today, we could have benefited form keeping him the last few season. However, this season he might have struggled to get in our team with Mhkitaryan, Mata, Zlatan and Martial all being strong opposition for a place in the attacking first eleven.
Not really. Leverkusen's players were doing that last week.
He would have been injured too had we kept him.
Should have kept him but football is like that. Every club has made similar decisions. I just wish him all the best regardless of where he is.
Did anyone see the Soton team today?
He's 26 and his career is still no further along than when he left us. Not a kid anymore. Squad player material.
He's 26 and his career is still no further along than when he left us. Not a kid anymore. Squad player material.
We had RVP, Rooney being decent/good after Moyes' season, Falcao, Januzaj after Moyes' season and last but not least Wilson who until late last season, people here still craved about.
All this Welbeck talk is all hindsight how LVG's tenure turned out, not how Welbeck who couldn't reach double digit for us in his last season, asked to leave (started since New Year Moyes' season) since he couldn't be guaranteed game time in his preferred position.
Disagree. May edge Lingard now, but Lingard may still develop much more to catch up or even surpass (SAF implied him as late bloomer) who broke into our first team much later time (age wise), while Welbeck was prodigy who broke through much earlier but has stalled for a while (injury/ luck considered). These things can turn the table for the players in question. See Kluivert vs RVN. Since the quality of Welbeck & Lingard may not be as high as the suggested example to see clear contrast, it would take time until we may still see it clear end result. Welbeck may still end up as better player then, mind.
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Don't think Welbeck belongs in that class of players to be honest. You're being good to him there.
Shame we only played Real once or twice per decade.Oh the mythical Madrid game. He was world class in that game. That's a sole reason why we shouldn't have sold him.
I am surprised there is no "if Welbeck was Spanish/ playing in La Liga" argument yet.
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Welbeck's done all his scoring for the season in 1 game.
Because a homegrown players gets a free pass in many aspects.Thats a bizarre statement. Hernandez stretched the defence and made excellent runs. I hate that because he scored a lot, people think he was one dimensional. Every other aspect of his game is severely underrated... passing, link up play, heading and pace being the main aspects.
I never saw a player get criticised for actually scoring goals.Yet Welbeck couldn't score in a brothel and his departure is deemed a "mistake"
I don't get this at all. If I could bring one player back to United, it would be Chicha.
Don't miss him at all, his decision making was/is terrible, average finisher and to top it off he's incredibly injury prone.
If people are saying Hernandez had a good all round game there's massive history rewriting to be honest. He was a good goal scorer and even then I think his finishing was overrated. In hindsight we should have kept both him n welbeck.
He'd have just added to our list of missed sitters. Correct decision to sell.
I doubt ferguson would have sold him, he's talented, would have been a good squad player and is a local boy.
If he put his foot down and demanded a move then best of luck to him, but I imagine it would not have taken much for him to stay.
If he put his foot down and demanded a move then best of luck to him, but I imagine it would not have taken much for him to stay.
This.
Nah, he is rubbish.
His scoring record, and injury record are both abysmal.
People seem to forget his complete lack of composure in the box and inability to stay on his feet, they truly seem to remember him as some exciting free scoring forward and not some awful bambi on ice pain in the arse keeping far better players out of the team.
His scoring record, and injury record are both abysmal.
People seem to forget his complete lack of composure in the box and inability to stay on his feet, they truly seem to remember him as some exciting free scoring forward and not some awful bambi on ice pain in the arse keeping far better players out of the team.
Welbeck scores 2 goals after being injured for almost one year and all hell breaks lose in the Caf
hah, he is only squad player quality but cant accept that. it's good decision to sell him. I never miss him. only can say, good luck for him.
This, I personally would have kept him as I think he is better than Adnan, Jesse
Fergie wouldn't have sold Cleverley either to be fair so it's not really a gauge to go by I guess.
I would kept Adnan and Jesse then him.
Adnad can still become great player.
While Jesse is better winger and then him and also happy to be squad player.
His scoring record isn't abysmal. Since moving to Arsenal he's got about one every two and a bit games he's played.
His injury record is though.
Fair enough but I couldn't disagree more.
Crazy that people think it was a mistake to let go a player who has managed 2600 minutes (28 full matches worth of games) in two and a half seasons and scored just 8 goals. He's 26 now, not some kid who "might make it". We've got Rashford for that.
Embarrassing thread growth rate for a player that's employed by one of our bitter rivals. This forum has a really strange fixation on Welbeck. He scored a couple of goals against Southampton's reserves, for feck's sake. Get over it.
Aren't his Arsenal stats padded by a few braces in the league cup / FA cup and in dead rubber CL group games?
Also by the fact he hasn't actually played many games due to injury?
He scored in the game they got knocked out of the cup in last season after missing probably six sitters.
It's not bitterness, he's decent and no more.
Also by the fact he hasn't actually played many games due to injury?
He scored in the game they got knocked out of the cup in last season after missing probably six sitters.
It's not bitterness, he's decent and no more.
I'll say one thing, he's a much better squad option than Lingard, but then Lingard isn't good enough either and at least he can stay fit for more than a few games.
I'm sure this debate will be endless because Welbeck is capable of excellent performances from time to time but unless he suddenly turns into a 20 goal a season striker for Arsenal (which is unlikely) then I'll have zero regrets in his sale.
I'm sure this debate will be endless because Welbeck is capable of excellent performances from time to time but unless he suddenly turns into a 20 goal a season striker for Arsenal (which is unlikely) then I'll have zero regrets in his sale.
Welbeck is better than Lingard.
IMO he'd be better as a right back a la Antonio Valencia. Pacey, physical and decent technique.
Valencia has all those attributes and he can actually defend very well. The feck?
at anyone thinking we shouldn't have sold him.Happens every time he or any ex united player puts in a good performance for another team. Watch cleverly smash a game at Watford and people say he should have been given more time.
When we first sold him there was Some talk of him being the next Henry. How's that working out?
Had we kept him he would not have changed the outcome of our seasons. For one thing he would be mired on the bench. For another he is not the sort of player that turns a clubs season around.
Falcao was a bust but the day we signed him you would have been hard pressed to find anyone claiming Welbeck was better except for those few who thought he was the next Henry.
Had we kept him he would not have changed the outcome of our seasons. For one thing he would be mired on the bench. For another he is not the sort of player that turns a clubs season around.
Falcao was a bust but the day we signed him you would have been hard pressed to find anyone claiming Welbeck was better except for those few who thought he was the next Henry.
right decision to sell. dude's gonna be 27 this year, hasn't done anything of note outside of being a "local boy".
I am not gonna argue about Welbecks quality, he had a lot of qualities which would help him to get a lot of games for top teams, maybe not as a striker but wide forward for sure. Also considering how the three worldies turned to absolute shit - Falcao, Van Persie and Rooney but whatever, he got even more injury prone which turned out to be a good reason alone to sell the player, wish him well and I am sure he can have at least a big squad role in Arsenal if obviously he stays fit, which is a big question mark of course..
Yes he could have been a useful option and yes most attacking players we've signed since he left haven't been as good as him but he was never starting XI quality, he wanted to leave in search of a start and we got decent money for him.
Keeping him wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world but can you honestly say anything he's done at Arsenal makes you regret us selling him?
Keeping him wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world but can you honestly say anything he's done at Arsenal makes you regret us selling him?
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