Remember brasil- germany? Germans said that they decided in half time that they will play in lower gear second half. Fergie also said that he didn't want more goals when we trash arsenal 8.2. Ridiculous things. You can put 10 goals to san marino or burnley but not to brasil or arsenal?
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As i said before, funny how always untalented players don't love that. Ok, roy keane also didn't love that but he doesn't like anything. And he is crazy fecker so...
It's disrespectful if the showboating is not doing anything but showboating. A nutmeg is accomplishing something, you're getting the ball past you're opponents. If you make a short and simple pass but you're holding in L2 you're showboating and being disrespectful but I generally can't remember seeing such antics.
Regarding youth football, you definitely shouldn't be winning by much more than 10 goals. Neither the winners or the losers are gaining anything and you're only making it horrible for the losers.
Regarding youth football, you definitely shouldn't be winning by much more than 10 goals. Neither the winners or the losers are gaining anything and you're only making it horrible for the losers.
To be fair, so is rainbow flicking the ball over your opponents head.
It’s funny that you’ll never see Schweinsteiger or Xavi or Modric saying they don’t like players nutmegging people, but Phil Neville and Mark Noble seem to really represent the “pros” who really really don’t like this kind of thing. Trust them, it’s every pro who doesn’t like it. Pretty sure Lee Cattermole has some strong feelings about players “disrespecting” their opponent as well.
You say 10 goals? Why 10? Why not 8? Or 15? 4? 6?.
My point is who can say that some result is ok and some is not. For swansea 3.0 defeat is normal, for united it is disaster. So if you can win 10-0, win 10-0
10 year kids are not United or Swansea. Goal difference is arbitrary.
Didn't say it wasn't.
When you strip away all of the nonsense that surrounds football, at its very core it's about entertainment and joy.
Actually scoring aside, there is nothing else in football that gets a bigger cheer in a ground than seeing one of your players humiliating an opponent. The only people that moan about supposed 'disrespect' are the players/teams on the receiving end of it.
The more of it, the better as far as I'm concerned. Give me a team of Adel Taarabts over a team of Mark Nobles any day of the week.
Actually scoring aside, there is nothing else in football that gets a bigger cheer in a ground than seeing one of your players humiliating an opponent. The only people that moan about supposed 'disrespect' are the players/teams on the receiving end of it.
The more of it, the better as far as I'm concerned. Give me a team of Adel Taarabts over a team of Mark Nobles any day of the week.
I remember Ronnie doing some tricks when we were 4-0 up against Wigan in the League Cup final in 2006 and he was subbed a few minutes after that. The next game we faced them was only a week or so later and one of their players absolutely hammered him with a crunching tackle in the first half. It was definitely retribution. Didn't matter much in the end as Ronnie went on to score the winning goal 
It annoys me that people think its okay to show boat if you are a few goals up. Not at zero all. For me, that is the height of disrespect. Id prefer to be 'Joga Bonito'd' and 'Denilsoned' from minute one and thrashed. It means we are just shit. Rather than watch youbtake the piss after you are few goals up. I detest it as much as watching guys hold it in the corner flag near full time.
And to me easing off is disrepect unless you are just doing so to placate the fans like in Germany vs Brazil's case. Because Germans were the away side. Just beat your opponent when they are down till they can barely scrape em off the floor whilst you can. They will get over it. Its harder to get over having the piss taken. Which is what show boating after a certain number of goals up or easing off for no good reasaon really is.
8-2 hurts Arsenal till this day because they KNOW we eased off. And it was like the second or third game of the season. Its liked we toyed with them. Its probably Karma that refusing to really take up the score that day probably cost us the league that year.....
And to me easing off is disrepect unless you are just doing so to placate the fans like in Germany vs Brazil's case. Because Germans were the away side. Just beat your opponent when they are down till they can barely scrape em off the floor whilst you can. They will get over it. Its harder to get over having the piss taken. Which is what show boating after a certain number of goals up or easing off for no good reasaon really is.
8-2 hurts Arsenal till this day because they KNOW we eased off. And it was like the second or third game of the season. Its liked we toyed with them. Its probably Karma that refusing to really take up the score that day probably cost us the league that year.....
If you are capable of dribbling past your opponent, that's good. It doesn't matter what type of dribbling technique you use. The purpose is to have a free shot, cross or pass and if you do this you are a good attacker. And if somebody can't handle his nerves because of being dribbled he is a bad defender.
I have played some football or basketball games during which my team got very tired and the much younger opponents were partying after a quick play, a dribble or a big jump. I was not feeling humiliated nor disturbed or something. I never understood why they were stopping the game to party as if it was world cup winning or the Olympic Gold Metal.
It's not only the instagrams and facebooks that changed younger people, but also the highlight culture; the constant replays of NBA players (humiliating their opponents and making faces against them) and footballers (partying and acting like super heroes - see Ronaldo - after o goal or an assist). Since I was a kid I hated TV channels that were showing less of the goal build-up and more of the party.
So, if you want to humiliate somebody, it's a matter of character. If you think you got humiliated and it's embarassing, it is also a matter of character. Media changing younger people (and athletes) is the problem. Everything else is a matter of character.
I have played some football or basketball games during which my team got very tired and the much younger opponents were partying after a quick play, a dribble or a big jump. I was not feeling humiliated nor disturbed or something. I never understood why they were stopping the game to party as if it was world cup winning or the Olympic Gold Metal.
It's not only the instagrams and facebooks that changed younger people, but also the highlight culture; the constant replays of NBA players (humiliating their opponents and making faces against them) and footballers (partying and acting like super heroes - see Ronaldo - after o goal or an assist). Since I was a kid I hated TV channels that were showing less of the goal build-up and more of the party.
So, if you want to humiliate somebody, it's a matter of character. If you think you got humiliated and it's embarassing, it is also a matter of character. Media changing younger people (and athletes) is the problem. Everything else is a matter of character.
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As far as running up scores go, feck easing off in this day and age. As a team who has lost a league title on goal difference, it is still astounding that we ease off after a game looks secure.
I wouldn't want to see a whole game of humiliating tricks, flicks and piss-taking but the occasional bit of skill that is just for show but makes you go wow is fine. It says more about the person on the receiving end of it if they retaliate by fouling than the person doing the skill. Its like saying "feck you you're better than me so Im just going to take you out, cos I'm an angry humiliated twat".
Watching football should be about entertainment and professional players, both the entertainers and the ones on the receiving end, know that.
Watching football should be about entertainment and professional players, both the entertainers and the ones on the receiving end, know that.
I don't understand easing off positive play and goalscoring in professional football unless you're looking to conserve energy. Kids football is a different matter; though they should learn to take bad defeats on the chin I like coaches who look to avoid humiliating the other team.
As for showboating I can see why it's frowned upon to arse about Nani-style in a match and to an extent in training. A guy continually looking for megs could be irritating and counterintuitive to a session, but the occasional thing like this should be encouraged between competitive young men:
As for showboating I can see why it's frowned upon to arse about Nani-style in a match and to an extent in training. A guy continually looking for megs could be irritating and counterintuitive to a session, but the occasional thing like this should be encouraged between competitive young men:
There shouldn't be the concept of "disrespecting" because in the end if you're put in the situation to be humiliated, it's your own fault. Man up and take it but pro footballers are fecking drama queens.
It's even worse in basketball, a player isn't supposed to score a basket in the last few remaining seconds if his team has blown the other away
feck with this shit
It's even worse in basketball, a player isn't supposed to score a basket in the last few remaining seconds if his team has blown the other away
feck with this shitI hope spain players read this thread and will stop scoring goals. I mean how you can score 5 goals to 2nd team in the world? Shame
Never understood that stuff about people complaining about running up the score. They're playing against each other because they're presumably in the same league, right? Highly doubt they're still going 100% till the 90th anyway, and if the other team keeps attacking and leaves gaps, what are you going to do? Turn around while on a break away just because? Isnt it disrespectful to start taking the piss and not even try anymore?
Ronaldo was called a show ponny in Carrington but also hailed by his team-mates as the first who tried to practice his technique while they had pig in the middle sessions.
"There was, and still is, a Champions League box (also known as the millionaires’ box) and a foreign one (the cheap box) at United; sometimes there was one for the younger players. On his arrival, Cristiano joined the one that the veterans named ‘Championship’, which was full of foreign players, but not the crème de la crème: David Bellion, Louis Saha, Kleberson, Eric Djemba-Djemba, Diego Forlán, Quinton Fortune.
Those ‘secondary’ players enjoyed the Championship box. It was not overly intense, they could try out new things and have a laugh. The veterans looked at them askance. Eventually Cristiano had to move boxes. Not as an invitation, but as a progression: it was a sign that his hierarchical position was changing.
When Ronaldo joined the Champions League box, he spent long periods in the middle chasing the ball. “He didn’t like defending,” said Phil Neville. “So we tried to make him run after the ball for as long as we could.”
When he was in the circle, passes would be fired at him that he could not control and he would have to return to the middle. Or if he nutmegged somebody, he would receive an x-rated tackle that he would have to dodge for his troubles. Then, one day, he started receiving good passes: he had earned the veterans’ respect.
"It probably took 18 months," stated Phil Neville. "When David Beckham went to Real Madrid, they played little rondos and he used to fire balls through the middle. The foreign players used to laugh at him, ‘Ah, an English pass!’ because they’re all tippy-tappy around the circle. I think Ronaldo was the start of a change in mentality. He introduced a new way of doing the rondo.”
Instead of practising his passing, Ronaldo would practise his technique. He would roll his foot over the ball, faking it one way and dragging it another. Or he would play it through his own legs, or do a back heel. It would rile the British players. “You’d think, ‘He’s taking the mickey out of me here,’” recalled Neville."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...as-reduced-to-tears-by-sir-alex-ferguson/amp/
Everybody loves to watch players like Ronaldinho who can perform audacious pieces of skill that people will talk about years after they finish playing, football as it is best when it imaginative players doing outrageous things that the rest of us could only dream of.
The people that complain about this are usually average players who often use phrases like "when men were men" and put an over emphasis on "physical battles" and love it when flair players are hacked down by bang average talents who sneer about skilled players being "soft" while failing to accept that if they only really enjoy the more aggressive and brute force side of the game, then their is a sport that caters mainly for those attributes in rugby or they can even go full macho and do MMA or Boxing, but they wouldn't dare because for all their tough guy facades they're usually frightened little yappy men who don't like the idea of being in actual physical confrontation with someone who's actually game for that and knows how to handle themselves.
One of my favourite players if the premiership era to watch was Jay-Jay Ochocha, if you were to ask any fan would they rather watch highlights of his career or the likes Phillip Nevilie going for a two footed lunge and Kicking the ball ball into row z befire screwing up his face at an opponent trying to look hard but just appearing gormless, I can guess which most would pick.
The people that complain about this are usually average players who often use phrases like "when men were men" and put an over emphasis on "physical battles" and love it when flair players are hacked down by bang average talents who sneer about skilled players being "soft" while failing to accept that if they only really enjoy the more aggressive and brute force side of the game, then their is a sport that caters mainly for those attributes in rugby or they can even go full macho and do MMA or Boxing, but they wouldn't dare because for all their tough guy facades they're usually frightened little yappy men who don't like the idea of being in actual physical confrontation with someone who's actually game for that and knows how to handle themselves.
One of my favourite players if the premiership era to watch was Jay-Jay Ochocha, if you were to ask any fan would they rather watch highlights of his career or the likes Phillip Nevilie going for a two footed lunge and Kicking the ball ball into row z befire screwing up his face at an opponent trying to look hard but just appearing gormless, I can guess which most would pick.
Interesting stuff, and for me it highlights the difference between some Flash Harry who lacks the guts for the fight but is happy to try to take the piss out of senior pros in training and a player like Ronaldo who had the tricks but was also working like a demon to improve his game and earn the respect of his peers.
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I'm not sure the score line one exists in the PL to save embarrassment. I think teams usually take the foot off the gas when having a comfortable lead (by 3-4 goals) because they're saving their legs. If you can win a game by half time, it's basically a training session after that. Great way to bring on fresh legs and not kill yourself.
2010 was the last time I remember huge scores. Especially Chelsea vs Wigan? The last day of the season. Was like 8-0.
2010 was the last time I remember huge scores. Especially Chelsea vs Wigan? The last day of the season. Was like 8-0.
There’s a reason Lanzini and Felipe Anderson, the two trickiest players in their squad are also the best players in their squad, miles better than “mr west ham i bleed claret and blue” mark noble.