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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Did you watch Brighton away, west ham away, Valencia at home? Just three examples off the top of my head when he was certifiably useless.
I don't think there's a point discussing who was our best player because they were all rubbish, Pogba included. I don't know how they'll feel during that United POTY award party. I don't think I'll want to watch it and hear cringy words from the team players and manager tbh.
Didn't say he didn't have poor games, but he also had very good ones. The point was though he was better than Shaw not say he was brilliant
I think with regards to selling him for me it would depend on a couple of factors:
1) which version of Pogba will we get if we keep him? If we get the version that's shown a few times in Ole's early games and for France but get it CONSISTENTLY, yes keep him, while selling him would show we are not interested in perceived bad apples (not necessarily saying he is) what would selling a player who is very very good on his day say to potential signings? Its borderline small club mentality however if he doesn't want to be here there is no point making him
2) would we use any money from his sale wisely? Liverpool allowed Coutinho to be sold to Barca and bring in VVD and Allisson with the money, I could see us using it on Bale
3) if we bring in the right players will we get the good version of Pogba?
1) which version of Pogba will we get if we keep him? If we get the version that's shown a few times in Ole's early games and for France but get it CONSISTENTLY, yes keep him, while selling him would show we are not interested in perceived bad apples (not necessarily saying he is) what would selling a player who is very very good on his day say to potential signings? Its borderline small club mentality however if he doesn't want to be here there is no point making him
2) would we use any money from his sale wisely? Liverpool allowed Coutinho to be sold to Barca and bring in VVD and Allisson with the money, I could see us using it on Bale
3) if we bring in the right players will we get the good version of Pogba?
If the club has decency, they should scrape it this year.
Long time lurker, first time poster. Couldn't decide what my first comment should be, but now it's obvious that it has to be expressing gratitude for having this player at our club. In these dark times, when there's so much wrong with Manchester United, we should all feel blessed that the best midfielder in the world is with us. He's the only player worthy of MU shirt as things stand, the only player on the same level as past legends (Ronaldo, Scholes, Keane, Giggs etc.) Thank you, Paul!
It baffles me that so many posters are even entertaining the thought of selling him, at any price. He would walk into starting XI of any elite club, but somehow we can afford to let him go? Instead of elevating the rest of the team to his level? Paul would have about 20 goals and 20 assists for Liverpool or Manchester City this season, there's no other CM with such ability. If he wants a new contract, give it to him. If he demands specific players to play with, get them - his Juventus buddy Dybala would be a good start.
It baffles me that so many posters are even entertaining the thought of selling him, at any price. He would walk into starting XI of any elite club, but somehow we can afford to let him go? Instead of elevating the rest of the team to his level? Paul would have about 20 goals and 20 assists for Liverpool or Manchester City this season, there's no other CM with such ability. If he wants a new contract, give it to him. If he demands specific players to play with, get them - his Juventus buddy Dybala would be a good start.
Couldn't agree more!! Don't know why some are so desperate to keep him...he's so inconsistent. Do you want another season of him showing his talent once every 5 or 6 games and then sauntering around looking bang average for the other games like he has done for most of his time here? Compare him to any of Liverpool's midfielders, they're not as talented but they play consistently well and are far more effective than he is and they also cost far less and earn far less than he does. We could probably build a much better functioning and more successful team with the money we get for him. Real world class players stand out and make a difference on a regular basis, no matter the sport, think Ronaldo, Messi, LeBron James...Pogba doesn't. Sell him.
Extraordinary. Even in this struggling team, his individual contribution is comparable to Messi and Ronaldo, two indisputable GOATs of football. Now imagine if we had forwards capable of converting the chances Paul creates, and a world class CDM to properly protect back four allowing Paul the creative freedom he deserves.
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I think we should get rid if the price is right. I don't think he fits into Ole's vision so I would rather we get 2 very good players who do. It might just work out the way it did with Coutinho for Liverpool.
Kinda as useless as the Martial stat posted in his thread
From his perspective, I'd be looking to leave. Whatever the reason, it hasn't worked for Manchester United the last few seasons, and granted he may be partly to blame, but as a player w/ a short career, knowing how talented he is, and that I think in regards to that there is no doubt, do you really want to waste your career helping to rebuild a team in such a competitive league? Objectively, when he signed, he probably expected a few years of helping Manchester United get their act together before powering on but it seems like they are back to step one again.
It is entirely possible that if he stays at Manchester United, he will never win the premiere league or challenge for titles at the highest level. It will take Manchester United awhile to get back to their previous glory. Let's say that takes 3 seasons, he'll be 29 years by then, for a midfielder, that's heading towards the end of your career. In all honesty, despite his form, he's given Manchester United enough seasons to get it right and be amongst the teams that challenge for the glories, it hasn't happened for many reasons, some his fault, others not. But the bottom line, whoever's fault it is, these are the years of his career going by and at then end, what can he look back and show for it? For this reason, if I was him, I'd be looking to leave and not w/ my head held high because I know personally I didn't perform as well as I wanted consistently but there are elite teams which calling for him (Real Madrid) who are making the noises they need to compete at the highest levels (in a less competitive league).
It is entirely possible that if he stays at Manchester United, he will never win the premiere league or challenge for titles at the highest level. It will take Manchester United awhile to get back to their previous glory. Let's say that takes 3 seasons, he'll be 29 years by then, for a midfielder, that's heading towards the end of your career. In all honesty, despite his form, he's given Manchester United enough seasons to get it right and be amongst the teams that challenge for the glories, it hasn't happened for many reasons, some his fault, others not. But the bottom line, whoever's fault it is, these are the years of his career going by and at then end, what can he look back and show for it? For this reason, if I was him, I'd be looking to leave and not w/ my head held high because I know personally I didn't perform as well as I wanted consistently but there are elite teams which calling for him (Real Madrid) who are making the noises they need to compete at the highest levels (in a less competitive league).
Him alongside rashford, martial, shaw lindelof and de gea are the ones we should look to build around. These are talented players and good coaching can do wonders for them
No he wasn't. Pogba's season has been very inconsistent, with the season broken into six very distinct periods.
1) Started the season very well, easily our best player along with Shaw.
2) Then had a bad period, which included one atrocious game.
3) Came back into very good form where he, along with Martial, were basically dragging us to victories.
4) Another bad period, which included one or two absolutely terrible matches. It was at the end of this period where Mourinho was sacked.
5) Had an amazing run of form where he was arguably the most in-form player in the world.
6) Back to generally being average/poor for the last period of the season.
So we can say that he has been very inconsistent, but saying he's been rubbish for any extended period simply isn't true. Likewise he hasn't been great for any extended period.
The sad thing is that despite all that inconsistency, he has been arguably our best player this season (under both Mourinho and Ole). It sounds ridiculous, but basically every other player in our team has been just as inconsistent. At least with Pogba he's been roughly 50/50 between great and poor (and his good periods have been far better than anyone else), whereas almost everyone else has been poor more than they've been good. Lindelof, Shaw and Smalling are probably the only other three where that hasn't been true, but all three have still been quite inconsistent and certainly haven't reached the peaks of Pogba.
I hate referring to players by their first name like this. Trivial pet peeve I know, but still.
Agreed. I've been posting the same with regards to Pogba since before Mourinho was sacked. People have short memories and they let a media narrative become truth in their world.
I can’t agree with your assessment of the early games. He stank the joint up in the Brighton match and West Ham.
His overall contribution relative to what 1. He cost 2. Is paid 3. He is capable of was abysmal when judged over the season.
Lindelof is our player of the year. Consistent performer and our late dip in form started when he took time off after the mad stuff that happened in Sweden.
His overall contribution relative to what 1. He cost 2. Is paid 3. He is capable of was abysmal when judged over the season.
Lindelof is our player of the year. Consistent performer and our late dip in form started when he took time off after the mad stuff that happened in Sweden.
Pogba started off the season with a great performance against Leicester. He was then bad for 2 matches, and then followed that up with great performances. The West Ham match was his 8th match of the season. Right before that he was great against Wolves and Young Boys. He was more good than bad in that early period.
To me it was clear that Pogba and Shaw were our two best players to start the season. Then it became Pogba and Martial. Then, Lindelof came into the picture. When Ole came, Pogba was the best again.
Until psg game, and until ole was not confirmed as permanent manager.
He is a world class player but I think it is best for him and the club to part company. We should get a player who is willing to play for the team. He has many times created goals for us and at the same time he has given away possession that poses danger for us. He loses possession because he is trying to be too clever and take on too many players or do fancy things.
The bar is pretty low since then. I'm sure you know that.
Isn't the bottomline, Pogba's keenness on leaving? I mean even if he is Cristiano Ronaldo but wants to go to Real Madrid at all costs, shouldn't that end all the debates on whether or not he should be sold?
If he wants to go then Ole should let him go. We can't be going into next season with players who are not on board.
That said, there's no quotes to show he has said he wants to leave. Sure he's mentioned that Madrid is a dream, but that's not to say he's desperate to leave, although I can't say I'd blame him if he did, given our current situation.
His agent is an absolute arsehole, though, and because of that, he will always be linked to teams. He's the main problem, in my opinion.
That said, there's no quotes to show he has said he wants to leave. Sure he's mentioned that Madrid is a dream, but that's not to say he's desperate to leave, although I can't say I'd blame him if he did, given our current situation.
His agent is an absolute arsehole, though, and because of that, he will always be linked to teams. He's the main problem, in my opinion.
Man Utd 0:2 Cardiff
Take the money and run. Not worth the bother.
If that's the last game I watch him play for us then i won't lose any sleep.
Everton level. Real Madrid? They are too professionals to waste money on him.
Some inexcusable effort at times today. Lazy backheels, not doing anything to win the ball back. Disgraceful way to treat the fans.
I defended Mourinho's treatment of him. I am not disappointed I did.
Towards the end he was the only player really driving us forward. He was quite poor for most of the match before that though.
No effort.
We'll slag off our flair players forever and they'll keep failing if we don't sort out our bigger issues. Pogba, Sanchez, Martial, Mata... doesn't matter how much we spend and what type of player it is.
Begin with getting a back 4 that can play a high line and is good in possession and composed. Get full backs that are proper footballers and a threat.
Only when that is sorted should we even think about buying further up the pitch.
Begin with getting a back 4 that can play a high line and is good in possession and composed. Get full backs that are proper footballers and a threat.
Only when that is sorted should we even think about buying further up the pitch.
Gone IMO
Yeah okay but did you see him dab and his new emojis? What a lad.
He's a good player, without a doubt. He is worth building a team around, but he needs top quality players around him to bring out the best week in week out. Utd at this moment in time need him to drive the players forward, inspire them with his passion and drive, lead by example, blah blah blah. He's not capable of that, he's a luxury player who needs everyone else do the dirty work. I think its best for him, and utd if he went to a quality team where he can enjoy his football and not sulk about at utd spreading his misery on everyone else.
Terrible today. Nothing he did worked.
You can't build a team around a luxury player.
Amazing talent, but his fluctuating levels of effort and engagement in a key position are a problem, will be a problem, wherever he goes.
I would like to know what he was saying to those fans at the end........
Seemed like a self indulgent performance to me. He had a few good moments. Taking that free-kick in injury time struck me as being greedy.
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