Imo world cup should involve more teams and CT should involve selected teams.
ICC Cricket World Cup 2019
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Today was a great start, in fairness. If you want to head in the right direction, SL, Afghan and Pak are all there for the taking.Which is why I didn't pipe up until the last ball
I'm a little worried about India but England look set to make the semis. The rest I'd think will be filled by Aus, India and NZ but you never know with WI and (maybe, maybe) yourselves.
Your argument is bizarre. It's like discrediting the recent upturn of Spurs, saying they haven't improved enough just because Leicester won the league.
And that was not your original argument - you've just twisted it to save face after Bangladesh proved you wrong today.
World Cup should not involve smaller nations. Champions Trophy should involve smaller nations.
Where's the logic in that
I'm only defending this current tournament. Ideally, I'd want a much larger tournament, but with the CT in 1-2 years, they may as well allow more nations. Or even trial it in the WT20.
Unfortunately, I don't see it happening. Unless the associate nation miraculously find some extraordinary talent (England will probably take Irelands), then I really can't see them improving a whole lot.
Theres no point in comparing football to cricket.
Actually the original argument was that "we shouldnt have more associate nations (at the moment) since few have shown great improvement". Bangladesh have been around for a long time and, as I said earlier, they're yet to cement themselves as an actual threat. Even going by the views and acknowledgement of todays win, most people still view them as an underdog. In comparison, Sri Lanka, in 20 years, went from absolutely nothing to WC winners.
Just look at cricket in general, quite clearly there isnt enough interest around the globe. The World Cup has always been a prestigious event - it should be a tournament which involves the best teams. The CT, IIRC, has been played in Kenya and Sri Lanka - not much of a CHAMPIONS trophy, is it?World Cup should not involve smaller nations. Champions Trophy should involve smaller nations.
Where's the logic in that
England won't take Ireland's because they're a test nation now.
Imo the 2007 WC was the ideal format. Unfortunately India and Pakistan going out made it seem bad but having lots of teams and then having a super 8 where everyone plays each other is pretty good. You could always schedule 2 matches a day to make it quicker
Felt way too long. Australia thrashing everyone made that world cup worse than it was though.
I'd prefer a knock out tournament tbh. How about a losers bracket after the QFs?
Okay.. I understand you're measuring them on the "beating India" award but even so. India post 2007 vs India pre 2007? Completely different Indian teams and beating the Indian team 3 times post 07 is a much bigger achievement.
You deliberately ignoring the part before? The give away was the part I wrote "simple stat". We've played Bangladesh about 45 times (estimate given we've beaten them 31 times).
We were actually very similar in phases: 99-07 went from good to really good to poor 07-19 we've gone from really good to really shit to really good again. Plus, Bangladesh are to be vast improved as well.
Bangladesh vs Aus:
99-07 - 1 win
07-19 - 0 wins
jk
Tied with? They beat Pakistan in 2007, the night Bob Woolmer passed away...
You could also add England into the mix and use their improvement over the last four years to back up my point.
England were embarrassingly knocked in the group stages by none other than Bangladesh in 2015. They were so shit, you'd argue they were a worse ODI team than Bangladesh at that time. 4 years later, one has made such great strides and, as Sri Lanka did with Jaya and Kalu, they've changed the standards in the limited form; with the other we're still waiting for significant signs of improvement. Look at all nations, bar maybe New Zealand, the rest have had periods of actual domination - Bangla have been around long enough to show more signs of consistency.
This will be my final post on this matter. We can judge them after this tournament.
England were embarrassingly knocked in the group stages by none other than Bangladesh in 2015. They were so shit, you'd argue they were a worse ODI team than Bangladesh at that time. 4 years later, one has made such great strides and, as Sri Lanka did with Jaya and Kalu, they've changed the standards in the limited form; with the other we're still waiting for significant signs of improvement. Look at all nations, bar maybe New Zealand, the rest have had periods of actual domination - Bangla have been around long enough to show more signs of consistency.
This will be my final post on this matter. We can judge them after this tournament.
Special shout out to the stupid fecking scheduling of this tournament. I genuinely thought with the tournament being in England that the times for the matches wouldn’t be that bad and I would get to see a fair bit of them.
All the matches start at 5:30 am and for the most part they’re all done by the time I get home
All the matches start at 5:30 am and for the most part they’re all done by the time I get home
Can we stop this tedious argument in this thread? @KM please create new thread for this.
Bangladesh vs Sout Africa was the closest game till now and it was a non contest from around last 10 overs. Also only game where both teams played 50 overs.
Too many one sided games and apart from Australia vs Afghanistan all the matches was between decent teams. Hopefully we see more close games, these games are so boring to watch.
Too many one sided games and apart from Australia vs Afghanistan all the matches was between decent teams. Hopefully we see more close games, these games are so boring to watch.
This is how ODIs always have been. Very very few ODI games would be live going into last 5 overs of second innings.
Maybe I'm easily pleased but I've enjoyed it so far. The problems in the format and the quality of some teams are there for all to see but I'm just soaking in a match or two every day. There's plenty of games left, the teams who haven't turned up so far will play each other and if they don't get started soon they'll be going home in utter disgrace. Given England are usually the ones embarrassing ourselves I'm perfectly fine with Pakistan, SL and SA stepping in this time.
The broadcasters bow down to their Asian viewing overlords, deal with it.Special shout out to the stupid fecking scheduling of this tournament. I genuinely thought with the tournament being in England that the times for the matches wouldn’t be that bad and I would get to see a fair bit of them.
All the matches start at 5:30 am and for the most part they’re all done by the time I get home
Pakistan haven't beaten England in an ODI in England since 2010. No chance of it happening today either.
I can't fully remember but didn't the 2011 WC have several close games? Eng vs SA. Eng vs Ireland, India vs SA, India vs WI, NZ vs Pak, Ind vs Eng to name a few.
To be fair, cricket will never truly suit anyone.Special shout out to the stupid fecking scheduling of this tournament. I genuinely thought with the tournament being in England that the times for the matches wouldn’t be that bad and I would get to see a fair bit of them.
All the matches start at 5:30 am and for the most part they’re all done by the time I get home
Day 5: England vs Pakistan
Would be very Pakistan to win this
If england bat first, they’ll score 400+
England to bowl first, make 1 change Wood in for Plunkett
Bowling first hopefully I get home before they bat.
Unless it finishes early.
Unless it finishes early.
Keep dreaming
I can be home for 14:15 I just need Pakistan to stick around.Keep dreaming
Oh feck off England. I have Butler, Roy and Bairstow
You’ll either score with Bairstow and Roy or Butler will make it in to bat.Oh feck off England. I have Butler, Roy and Bairstow
Was hoping if England bat first, one of the top 2 go big and butler comes in to smash it out of the park at the end.
Just brought Plunkett in, I thought he bowled well against SA but should have known he'd be rotated with Wood. D'ooooh.
Come on lads, keep that intensity up.
Come on lads, keep that intensity up.
I’m in exactly the same boat today
Heard it is a flat dry pitch, may have been the first time in the tournament it could have been worth considering batting first.Oh feck off England. I have Butler, Roy and Bairstow
Pakistan also put up a number of 300+ scores in the series prior to the world cup as well.
Think they're going to try and bounce them out, going by woods inclusion. Might backfire big time.
Who have people gone for this round?
3 slips
To be fair England have an almost perfect record chasing in home ODI's since the last World Cup.
I think they fancy their chances of chasing anything down at home.
I think they fancy their chances of chasing anything down at home.
For some reason I thought Aus - Afg match was on today. I completely missed the fact that the match was played on Saturday. 