We are completely dependent on Pogba's contribution

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‘’instructed to bring balls from back deeper’’, ‘’try to take the player on’’, ‘’make most passes because there's no quality that is closer to his quality on other sides.’’

This is something we can solve by signing a ball playing centre back & a midfielder who can play as a deep playmaker (either no. 8 or no. 6). And don’t let Pogba anywhere near in deeper area & he should be instructed to stay in the advanced position more often where he can try to take players on in non-dangerous area.
 

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It's quite obvious that he is by far our best outfield player, even though he's not very consistent over the course of a season and doesn't play to his full potential. And there aren't really any like for like replacement for him out there, so we'll be properly fecked if he goes out... since De Bruyne and Eriksen aren't coming here.
 

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What the OP are saying is no news.

Everyone and his dog know that we need quality players around him to decrease his load, and be more balanced as a team.

Herrera was one, but this stupid board let him go.

But the problem a lot of fans can't see with Pogba is that he is not a box to box n* 8 kind of player and he should not be played like one.

If we want to keep him, we must ditch the 4-3-3 formation for the 4-2-3-1 one.

In this new system you can play him alongside an energy monster in the double pivot, to make him create from deep (see the french nt) or you can play him as n* 10 with the double pivot behind him, to get an even better offensive contribution than last year, while free him from the defensive work.

But before that, OGS must decide if he want to continue with a guy that doesn't want to be there.

If i was OGS, i will do everything to find a replacement in order to sell him as soon as possible, because his attitude disgust me.

After all the Real flirt, he has gone to far, when he said he wanted a new challenge elsewere in a Commercial tour.

And now he just called Juventus to get him out, and menace us to not come back from holiday to force the transfer.
 
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What the OP are saying is no news.

Everyone and his dog know that we need quality players around him to decrease his load, and be more balanced as a team.

Herrera was one, but this stupid board let him go.

But the problem a lot of fans can't see with Pogba is that he is not a box to box n* 8 kind of player and he should not be played like one.

If we want to keep him, we must ditch the 4-3-3 formation for the 4-2-3-1 one.

In this new system you can play him alongside an energy monster in the double pivot, to make him create from deep (see the french nt) or you can play him as n* 10 with the double pivot behind him, to get an even better offensive contribution than last year, while free him from the defensive work.

But before that, OGS must decide if he want to continue with a guy that doesn't want to be there.

If i was OGS, i will do everything to find a replacement in order to sell him as soon of possible, because his attitude disgust me.

After all the Real flirt, he has gone to far, when he said he wanted a new challenge elsewere in a Commercial tour.

And now he just called Juventus to get him out, and menace us to not come back from holiday to force the transfer.
France got thrashed by Turkey and he was terrible in a 4231 formation.
 

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Spurs lost Bale and Liverpool lost Coutinho and both are far better now than they were with them.

If we sell Pogba we won’t replace his contributions with a player but with a better system that will make all our players play better and raise the output of the entire team.

Look at those City and Liverpool ones, most of the stats are from their fullbacks and wingers. We know we have awful width, once we fix our width issue we’ll already be miles ahead of where we were last season and that itself can go a long way to help cover Pogbas contributions
 

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France got thrashed by Turkey and he was terrible in a 4231 formation.
That was one game in an experimental starting 11, but he mostly look good in this formation, atleast way better than as a n*8 for United.

What he meant is playing him in advanced role not playing him in deeper role.
I mean, you can play him in advanced role or in the deeper role if his partner is full of energy.

Basicaly, he can attack and he can contain, but not switch at high tempo, like a box to box n*8 will do.
 

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Spurs lost Bale and Liverpool lost Coutinho and both are far better now than they were with them.

If we sell Pogba we won’t replace his contributions with a player but with a better system that will make all our players play better and raise the output of the entire team.

Look at those City and Liverpool ones, most of the stats are from their fullbacks and wingers. We know we have awful width, once we fix our width issue we’ll already be miles ahead of where we were last season and that itself can go a long way to help cover Pogbas contributions
Yes, such an obvious argument it should not really have to be made, but infatuation with individuals is strong. Liverpool just got to back to back CL finals with an on paper fairly average midfield unit. They worked together and complimented the rest of the team in a manner than no midfield set up we have tried in the years Pogba has been back has come close to.

When Van Nistelrooy was sold we had many articles wailing about where the goals were going to come from. We scored more without him and had much more variety and imagination in attack.
 

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One man team and people want us to sell him and others shout abuse at him from the sidelines :lol:

Pathetic.
People want us to sell him because he doesn’t want to be here, not because they don’t think he’s our best player.
I think that goes beyond rumors, it’s basically a fact.
The only reason he is still here is because no one offered enough money for him, yet.
 

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People want us to sell him because he doesn’t want to be here, not because they don’t think he’s our best player.
I think that goes beyond rumors, it’s basically a fact.
The only reason he is still here is because no one offered enough money for him, yet.
Thats not entirely true, many have said he isn't that good or hasn't been that good. Many said he shouldn't have been in the PL team of the year and agreed Shaw should have won player of the year over him
 

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Thats not entirely true, many have said he isn't that good or hasn't been that good. Many said he shouldn't have been in the PL team of the year and agreed Shaw should have won player of the year over him
People say many things they don’t really mean.
I think those people are just a bit bitter because he doesn’t want to be here, and are disappointed with that, he already left the club once, so there’s also that.
 

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People say many things they don’t really mean.
I think those people are just a bit bitter because he doesn’t want to be here, and are disappointed with that, he already left the club once, so there’s also that.
Probably true
 

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‘’instructed to bring balls from back deeper’’, ‘’try to take the player on’’, ‘’make most passes because there's no quality that is closer to his quality on other sides.’’

This is something we can solve by signing a ball playing centre back & a midfielder who can play as a deep playmaker (either no. 8 or no. 6). And don’t let Pogba anywhere near in deeper area & he should be instructed to stay in the advanced position more often where he can try to take players on in non-dangerous area.
This is such a good point, Pogba was never suited to be our "do-it-all" player, his roles needs to be limited in order to get consistent performers out of him.
 

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Sell him and bring in creative players. I would go 4-1-4-1 with a DM/anchor just in front of the defence and 2 wide, Box to Box and AM in midfield.
 

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How do these stats look in the games Pogba didn't play?
 

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As many have said, he needs help. The guy can't do everything.

When he has a bad game for France, he has others who step up so he doesn't get criticised as much as he does if he has a bad game for us.

Get a few quality players who can help create and finish chances and he'll be fine.

That said, I can understand if Pogba wants to go and play with world class players, whilst at the same time, being appreciated a lot more. If I'm honest, we're lucky to have such a superstar at our club. No one in our squad comes close to him.
 

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Didn't someone once say, there's lies, dam lies, and Statistics , may have been Mark Twain? That says it , stats, to much taken on them . Best stat is the score at end of game.

Pogba stats don't show how much of a bad Influence he can be? He be here at OT, next season , can't push for a move nobody will cough up the money for him?
 

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Best part of all, is that section of people who having a go at him is JM related, freaking mental. He being attacked, while "you are grown ass man deal with it" being defended.
 

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Are we still talking about this waster? He doesn't want to be here, his attitude stinks, if he's still here next season he will have a big sulk and play like a loser.

I know that he needs better players round him and do on, but if he made more of an effort, instead of strolling around at walking pace he would make more of an impact, a real class player would. Say you put Messi in Burys team, yes, he would find the lack of quality a huge handicap but he would make a difference. Put Pogba in there instead and he would just walk around because he can't be arsed.

Cash in while we still can
 

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Utter nonsense. that's like Moyes's we had 100 crosses so deserved to win or we had 80% of the ball. These figures tell half a story: what about losing the ball, what about giving it away, what about holding it too long, what about show-boating? what about failing to turn up when it matters most? It's no coincidence that possible our best performance/result of the season was in Paris - when Pogba wasn't available
 

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Pogba is the only world class player we bought in his prime. Everyone else was either past their prime or had not reached it yet.
If we sold Pogba which other world class player would come to us? We need to keep him and surround him with the best players available. Players that would make up for his weaknesses such as leadership and defensive skills.
We are one of the top richest sports clubs in the world and we need to use the money to ensure success. The owners must know that success brings more money in by getting more and bigger sponsorships and more new fans. New fans outside of England only start supporting teams that are successful. When I studied in Jamaica in the early 80s nearly everyone was Liverpool fan. Over the years a lot of people in my country became Arsenal and Chelsea fans now a lot of youngsters are City fans.
If we get rid of Pogba and stick with mediocre players or those that appear to have potential we will not succeed and will not attract new fans.
 

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Utter nonsense. that's like Moyes's we had 100 crosses so deserved to win or we had 80% of the ball. These figures tell half a story: what about losing the ball, what about giving it away, what about holding it too long, what about show-boating? what about failing to turn up when it matters most? It's no coincidence that possible our best performance/result of the season was in Paris - when Pogba wasn't available
The PSG performance wasn't our best, one of your luckiest by far more like. The result in itself was great but it sure blinded many of our fans.
 
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People still watch our games, right?

Should be pretty fecking obvious to anyone who does, on a regular basis, that he's very far from being a one man team.

He's our best player, yes - has anyone half reasonable denied this?

Is he capable of elevating the dysfunctional team in which he's the most talented individual? No, he isn't - and you have to be utterly blinkered if you think so.

Bring in two top shelf midfielders to complement him, and keeping him is a no-brainer. Is that likely to happen, though?

And the above is without even touching on the rather pressing matter of Pogba himself not being keen on staying.
 

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The PSG performance wasn't our best, one of your luckiest by far more like. The result in itself was great but it sure blindes many of our fans.
We were also turned over by City in the most embarrassing way with Pogba in the stands. I'm surprised people is still peddling this myth of team being better without him from fluke match like PSG.
 

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We were also turned over by City in the most embarrassing way with Pogba in the stands. I'm surprised people is still peddling this myth of team being better without him from fluke match like PSG.
I keep seeing it as many people, by repeating it, hav really convinced themselves that we played well in that game.
 

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I keep seeing it as many people, by repeating it, hav really convinced themselves that we played well in that game.
Keep repeating it and it becomes accepted "fact". Like how SAF got rid in 2012.
 

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We were also turned over by City in the most embarrassing way with Pogba in the stands. I'm surprised people is still peddling this myth of team being better without him from fluke match like PSG.
he wasn't seen in the home PSG game and Mctominay and Fred were our best players home to Barca
 

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The PSG performance wasn't our best, one of your luckiest by far more like. The result in itself was great but it sure blinded many of our fans.
the first 30 minutes rocked PSG (yes they gave us gifts but I think the were surprised at how attack-minded we were)
 

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I don't know if it's true because I never watch our press conferences when a player signs (why would you?) but heard on the radio yesterday that in Pogba's first press conference at OT he was asked what he wanted to achieve. You would expect him to say win PL or CL but, according to the pundit on TalkShite, he said: "Win the balloon D'or". Says everything about Pogba for me