As dysfunctional and poor the Argies have been, I'd back them to take out Brazil.
I could easily see them losing vs Venezuela though.
I could easily see them losing vs Venezuela though.
CA 2019 - Final - Brazil vs Peru
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He definitely should have saved the Marquinhos penalty. Got a very good hand to it.
You can't stop it. They just slow down to freeze the keeper.
Brazil are nothing special here, it's more of the same from them. Without Neymar they blatantly lack creativity and goals. I'd have Uruguay as favourites from what I've seen so far.
Argentina is a funny side. They can beat France on a good day (gave them a proper scare at the World Cup) but they can just as easily get tonked by Venezuela.
Who knows which Argentina will turn up in the knockout games.
I just hope they get through, because I want to watch Brazil vs Argentina at a tourney.
I think the last time they played each other in a tournament was the Copa final in 2007 where Argentina got thrashed.
To be fair Argentina played like shit against France at the World Cup too, they just scored from nothing which can always happen with the players they have.
With those forwards they can win any game regardless of how they play.
It was Brazil's B team in 2007 though, how they pulled that off with a midfield of Mineiro, Josué and Mineiro against that Argentina team is beyond me.
It's definitely been too long since we've had Brazil v Argentina at an international tournament with both sides taking it seriously.
2004 Copa America final.
That was a brilliant game, one of the best international tournament games ever.
I think thats harsh, they were certainly 2nd best against France but they played their best game of the tournie and probably the best I've seen them in the last 3 years in that game. If I'm not mistaken both sides had a similar amount of chances and Argentina absolutely controlled the ball. They just couldn't defend for shit.
In 2004 Brazil didn't take Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Kaka and still won
It was the first time Adriano spanked Argetnina, he did it one year later at Confed finals.
And I had people laughing at me for wanting to play Brazil-Argentina before having to deal with Colombia with a couple more days rest than them
Maybe you're right. Don't know why but I remember that game very differently, thought Argentina created next to nothing but scored from a set piece and a Di Maria long range goal. Just checked the stats for the game and it was indeed pretty balanced though.
Don't think you were terribly wrong though. My recollection was France were comfortable first half, Argentina equalising and going ahead looked like an upset. Then France went into another gear and put them out of sight, threatening to go even further as every counter looked like half a goal. Argies scoring late on made it a grandstand finish with a close score, but it was Argentina looking far more vulnerable throughout.
The stats may make it look balanced and they certainly weren't shit (one of their better games were their ability to inflict damage was clearly on display), but that was the game where I knew France would go all the way. Never doubted they would win it, looked controlled, confident in their abilities and how to manage the game, even when they went behind.
They never gave us any scare in the World Cup. It was even easier than the final vs Croatia
That’s like your opinion man.
The game against Argentina was the only time at the WC where France went behind.
They did, at one point they were leading 2-1 and wonder strike by Pavard calmed the nerves in that game and then France just killed the game.
Even in the last min, they created half chance which could have made it 4-4.
The game against Argentina was easier than the scoreline suggested. They somehow took the lead but the quality just wasn't there.
But you appear to suggest that the final was easy whereas it was anything but. Croatia were the superior team until a bad decision killed. The France stars only shone once they were given a helping hand. Until that point Croatia had better control and kept the likes of Mbappe and Pogba quiet and fairly anonymous (particularly the former).
Was a weird game. Argentina scored 3 goals from nothing, then actually threatened to equalize late in the game. But until the 4-3, the only question was how the score was 4-2 instead of, say 6-1 for France
Didn't they have a big chance just before or after Aguero's goal? Could somehow have drawn that game.
Shocking match by Brazil.
If Argentina can't beat Venezuela they can feck off.
I say Colombia are favorites.
If Argentina can't beat Venezuela they can feck off.
I say Colombia are favorites.
I didn't appear to suggest that
Of course that's my opinion, who else am I suppose to talk for ?
I didn't say Croatia was easy though. Just used "easier", meaning less difficult. Or that Croatia was harder than Argentina despite the scoreline
Yes. It was a weire game. Similar in a way to Istanbul, except in the way the score went and the team that dominated the game and should have won, won
There are similarities in the two games. Argentina took a 2-1 lead without doing much of anything and getting badly outplayed, same as France at half time against Croatia. Difference is France tore Croatia to shreds in the second half, while Argentina kept getting destroyed, in fact it got even worse after they took the lead. Men vs boys, the men got pissed off and decided to teach the boys a lesson
Probably why France won both games
Brazil seemed to have morphed back into how they looked under Dunga in both his spells. Very strong and secure at the back but clueless in how to attack if opposition just sit deep.
Really disappointed it all seems to have gone flat for Tite as he made really good impact in his first year in charge of them.
If they play like that v Uruguay in a meeting I feel Uruguay would win with their two strikers.
Really disappointed it all seems to have gone flat for Tite as he made really good impact in his first year in charge of them.
If they play like that v Uruguay in a meeting I feel Uruguay would win with their two strikers.
Alright buddy. It's all semantics either way. Definitely don't think Argentina need to be championed over that game.
It’s a fact we played our best game vs France. And it’s also a fact that we were never going to win.
Fazio should've been sent off at I think 2-1, pulled back Greizmann in penalty area but somehow didn't even go to VAR.
From memory France were really comfortable 1 up in 1st half and then Di Maria hit that great shot and out of nowhere it was 1-1. Argentina then started second half very strongly but eventually Mbappe did the damage to their cumbersome backline.
From memory France were really comfortable 1 up in 1st half and then Di Maria hit that great shot and out of nowhere it was 1-1. Argentina then started second half very strongly but eventually Mbappe did the damage to their cumbersome backline.
France buried 4 of 4 chances but it was one of those games where it felt like France just had to click into gear and would blow them, which they did in about 20 minutes once they got the 2-2. It could as much be France struggling for the first hour as Argentina being good but more than likely a bit of both.
Leaked results:
Brazil vs Argentina
Chile vs Uruguay for semis
Brazil vs Uruguay for finals
Brazil will be winners of Copa América 2019
You heard it first here.
Brazil vs Argentina
Chile vs Uruguay for semis
Brazil vs Uruguay for finals
Brazil will be winners of Copa América 2019
You heard it first here.
At the Maracanã now - feels like a home game for Argentina with all their fans here. Hopefully Vuvuzela put them to the sword today.
Can't wait to see the GOAT. Come on Leo Messi!
Team Line-up
ARGENTINA XI: Franco Armani; Juan Foyth, German Pezzella, Nicolas Otamendi, Nicolas Tagliafico; Rodrigo de Paul, Leandro Paredes, Marcos Acuna; Lionel Messi, Sergio Aguero, Lautaro Martinez.
VENEZUELA XI: Wuilker Farinez; Ronald Hernandez, Jhon Chancellor, Luis Del Pino, Roberto Rosales; Jhon Murillo, Yangel Herrera, Junior Moreno, Tomas Rincon, Darwin Machis; Salomon Rondon.
Team Line-up
ARGENTINA XI: Franco Armani; Juan Foyth, German Pezzella, Nicolas Otamendi, Nicolas Tagliafico; Rodrigo de Paul, Leandro Paredes, Marcos Acuna; Lionel Messi, Sergio Aguero, Lautaro Martinez.
VENEZUELA XI: Wuilker Farinez; Ronald Hernandez, Jhon Chancellor, Luis Del Pino, Roberto Rosales; Jhon Murillo, Yangel Herrera, Junior Moreno, Tomas Rincon, Darwin Machis; Salomon Rondon.
What's the odds on Brazil now? Seems like its nailed on for them to win it.
Acuña starts
Venezuela missing their best two CBs, Villaneuva out and don't understand why Yordan Osorio has fallen out of favour, was excellent in the 0-0 against Brazil and plays well in Portugal for Guimaraes.
Tomas Rincon going to have to be strong at DM as already Argentina getting around the box.
Tomas Rincon going to have to be strong at DM as already Argentina getting around the box.
1-0, it was certainly coming. Argentina had six corner already.
Nice finish by Martinez.
Clever.
Clever.
Latuaro already got pretty good scoring record for Argentina, haven't seen that much of him but what's his style like, more Aguero or Tevez?
What's the VAR check, they already kicked off again I think.