Best Team Built Around Passarella

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Altobelli - ?
? - Maradona (c) - ?
Redondo - ?
R. Carlos - Passarella - ? - ?
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Will try to compile a serious one later.
 

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:lol: Are you intentionally trying to wake up @antohan from the dead?
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I thought that it was quite funny that he has so many potential conflicting players. Altobelli’s shower incident, Maradona’s captaincy, Redondo’s hair, anto’s character assassination :)
 

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I think the difficulty with Passarella is that he's sort of an attacking stopper and there's more excellent attacking left-back than more defensive ones. Also since he's more of an attacking stopper you don't want to play him as the sweeper in a back 5, that said he could work very well in the Maguire role from the 2018 World Cup.

I think though I'd go with a back 4 with

Maldini-Passarella-Nesta-Zanetti

With Nesta as a sort of defensive sweeper role.

I don't think that much else matters except to have the width on the left not provided by Maldini and to be a reasonably direct side. So maybe -

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-------Best-----------------------Finney
------------Charlton----L.Suarez-----
--------------------Rikjaard-----------------
Maldini-Passarella-Nesta-Zanetti
---------------------Big Pete------------------
 

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I think the difficulty with Passarella is that he's sort of an attacking stopper and there's more excellent attacking left-back than more defensive ones. Also since he's more of an attacking stopper you don't want to play him as the sweeper in a back 5, that said he could work very well in the Maguire role from the 2018 World Cup.

I think though I'd go with a back 4 with

Maldini-Passarella-Nesta-Zanetti

With Nesta as a sort of defensive sweeper role.

I don't think that much else matters except to have the width on the left not provided by Maldini and to be a reasonably direct side. So maybe -

----------------------MVB-------------
-------Best-----------------------Finney
------------Charlton----L.Suarez-----
--------------------Rikjaard-----------------
Maldini-Passarella-Nesta-Zanetti
---------------------Big Pete------------------
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Yup my thoughts exactly.

You need a defensive LB who can tuck in - Maldini should be perfect. A rugged stopper, maybe with a bit of pace in it, a balanced RB, a sweeper keeper of sorts so he can additionally go into the zone left by Passarella on counter and a DM who can drop back - either Rijkaard or Desailly should do fine.

As for midfield and attack I think it should be similar with a back four with Sammer in it. You would need midfielders who can play a quick one two's and move the ball quickly and be good in transition as you mentioned.

More of orthodox wingers so they can both put the ball in the box and maximize his aerial threat and a CF who can also engage defenders and leave space for him to attack the box from deep.

Luisito and Finney are actually very good shouts.
 

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Yup my thoughts exactly.

You need a defensive LB who can tuck in - Maldini should be perfect. A rugged stopper, maybe with a bit of pace in it, a balanced RB, a sweeper keeper of sorts so he can additionally go into the zone left by Passarella on counter and a DM who can drop back - either Rijkaard or Desailly should do fine.

As for midfield and attack I think it should be similar with a back four with Sammer in it. You would need midfielders who can play a quick one two's and move the ball quickly and be good in transition as you mentioned.

More of orthodox wingers so they can both put the ball in the box and maximize his aerial threat and a CF who can also engage defenders and leave space for him to attack the box from deep.

Luisito and Finney are actually very good shouts.
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I thought you would be in broad agreement having seen your XI. I didn't see your post until after I had posted mine.

Luisito is my go to direct midfield playmaker and Finney my orthodoxish winger who also scored goals
 
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I’m not entirely sure if I can think of a specific attacking set up that particularly improves him.

Maldini - Passarella - Nesta - Cafu/Zanetti with Rijkaard or Desailly ahead; and perhaps some good crossers on the wings.
 

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Mine is super generic (defensive leftback/centerback + Passarella + cover centerback + multi-purpose rightback + anchor) and not too different to the others as well — included Netzer at 10/8 because even though Beckenbauer was a different type of libero and a superior playmaker wrt. passing nous I wonder if the former can strike up a similarly effective/cunning partnership with Passarella...

 

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You only need a left back who can cover CB, DM who can drop deep, a stopper and that's pretty much it. Rest barely matters.
 

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Carlos............................................Alves
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.......................Ronaldo........................
.......Cruyff..........................Messi..........
................Davids.........Neeskens............
Carlos............................................Alves
..........Maldini...Passarella...Bergomi.........
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Booo. 5 at the back is such a cop out.
 

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Edgar Allan Pillow said:
That IS the best build around a sweeper. He probably is fully free to do as he pleases in a back 5, a true libero.
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Not really. The back 5 only relieves him of his defensive responsibilities to a major extent. That is a misuse in my book if you can't get the best of both their offensive and defensive contributions. Passarella was a beast defensively too.
 

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Moby said:
No I'm asking if he was able to be regarded as one of the best CBs ever while playing in 4 man backlines then probably it was the best for him?
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It depends on the player. Certain players were restricted due to the playing style during their time or the tactical constraints placed by the managers...and still excelled. Doesn't mean they can't excel in a different setup.

Sammer - Who's good in back 5, but will probably not be in back 4.
Baresi - Who's good in back 4, but will probably not be in back 5.
Koeman - Who has won the CL in back 4 and back 5. Passarella and Beckenbauer would probably fit in this category as players I see who can excel in both formations.

It depends on the player. I think the attacking input from a CB who has scored 140+ goals in his career can certainly be enhanced by tweaking formations/tactics.
 

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Edgar Allan Pillow said:
It depends on the player. Certain players were restricted due to the playing style during their time or the tactical constraints placed by the managers...and still excelled. Doesn't mean they can't excel in a different setup.

Sammer - Who's good in back 5, but will probably not be in back 4.
Baresi - Who's good in back 4, but will probably not be in back 5.
Koeman - Who has won the CL in back 4 and back 5. Passarella and Beckenbauer would probably fit in this category as players I see who can excel in both formations.

It depends on the player. I think the attacking input from a CB who has scored 140+ goals in his career can certainly be enhanced by tweaking formations/tactics.
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He scored 140 goals from defense without needing an extra man in defense so not sure why needs that in a hypothetical scenario. Its the fact that he scored all those goals and be a great attacker in general while also having full time defensive duties which made him standout and be rated as one of the best defenders ever. If you take off the defensive burden you won't get that insane combination while barely having any chance to improve in what is an insane attacking output. It simply downgrades his individual overall contribution.
 

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Moby said:
You only need a left back who can cover CB, DM who can drop deep, a stopper and that's pretty much it. Rest barely matters.
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So if you cover all this in a back 5 then it doesnt matter which formation you playing?
 

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Moby said:
I was talking about a back 4 similar to the teams that have been posted.
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I know but if you surround him with all the qualities and characteristics he needs to shine then it doesnt really matter which formation you playing?
 

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I know but if you surround him with all the qualities and characteristics he needs to shine then it doesnt really matter which formation you playing?
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Defensively definitely it does. It's a waste of a defensive colossus like him if you are going to have 4 other players doing all the dirty work. There's a host of other liberos who'd be just as good in that case. Biggest reason all these liberos who are GOATs is they provided great attacking output while also being primarily loaded with defensive duties. You didn't need 4 other defenders to provide them the freedom. Hardly a coincidence that all of Beckenbauer Passarella Baresi Scirea Figueroa played their best in 4 man backlines. They were all beastly defenders first and took the most responsibility in that area while being tremendous when on the ball. All of them will have a worse overall individual contribution of you stick them in a back 5 relieving them of majority of the defensive work.
 

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Moby said:
Defensively definitely it does. It's a waste of a defensive colossus like him if you are going to have 4 other players doing all the dirty work. There's a host of other liberos who'd be just as good in that case. Biggest reason all these liberos who are GOATs is they provided great attacking output while also being primarily loaded with defensive duties. You didn't need 4 other defenders to provide them the freedom. Hardly a coincidence that all of Beckenbauer Passarella Baresi Scirea Figueroa played their best in 4 man backlines. They were all beastly defenders first and took the most responsibility in that area while being tremendous when on the ball. All of them will have a worse overall individual contribution of you stick them in a back 5 relieving them of majority of the defensive work.
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Agreed.
 

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Moby said:
He scored 140 goals from defense without needing an extra man in defense so not sure why needs that in a hypothetical scenario. Its the fact that he scored all those goals and be a great attacker in general while also having full time defensive duties which made him standout and be rated as one of the best defenders ever. If you take off the defensive burden you won't get that insane combination while barely having any chance to improve in what is an insane attacking output. It simply downgrades his individual overall contribution.
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Can it be estimated how many goals came from set pieces/penalties and how much was from in-game attacking moves? In the only game I saw him score, he scored from a pen. The 9 goals on Footballia are 7 pens, 1 direct free kick, and 1 header after a corner.

Agree with your statement on liberos and back 4s; the most effective use of a libero is getting the occasional extra man in attack without diminishing the offensive power of the team in return (at least not too much). Needs a special player to do that, as you say.
 
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