I think we should put faith in Greenwood, Gomes and Chong

Gomes and Chong should be loan out, they got talent but not good enough for EPL yet. Even a year at Championship should be good for them. Greenword can stay as impact sub (plus a few cup games) unless we do get a quality replacement for Lukaku (Daybala e.g.) in such case he might not get many games, then a loan will be best for him.

Three problems: 1.Mata, 2.Lingard, 3.Dalot(RW)

ManchesterYoda said:

ST: Greenwood and Rashford
RW: Chong and Neres
LW: Martial and James
No.10 Gomes and 1 from Lingard/Mata/Sanchez

Start with Gomes and Sanchez as Sanchez is the best of the 3 when on form. If he still isn't performing, get rid and then let Mata and Lingard fight it out to stay. If Sanchez happens to return to his best form, get rid of Mata and Lingard.

After signing Neres, try and sign a defensive midfielder just before window closes. I would choose Rice.

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Do you actually watch or pay attention to anything in pre season?

Chong barely played RW
Martial was played as ST
Rashford was LW
James was played at RW
Gomes at LW

cyril C said:

Gomes and Chong should be loan out, they got talent but not good enough for EPL yet. Even a year at Championship should be good for them. Greenword can stay as impact sub (plus a few cup games) unless we do get a quality replacement for Lukaku (Daybala e.g.) in such case he might not get many games, then a loan will be best for him.

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Gomes is every bit good enough to play Premier League football.

No, it's unfair to rely on youngsters like that.

You have to allow them natural progression where they get some of the easy games and win more games if they perform. They need the safety net to make mistakes and have bad games without feeling like it's ruining the team.

There's absolutely no excuse for a club of our status and wealth to go into next season without a single one proven goal-scorer. Zero excuses, none, zilch. This is no way to introduce young players into the first team. First and foremost, it is unfair to ask of them to carry the team on their shoulders. They need experience around them so that we can afford them the opportunity to develop by taking risks and failing without compromising our whole season.

Sir Alex was all about nurturing young talents and he never went into a season without his front-line being sorted out. First, it was Hughes and McCLair, then Hughes-Cantona and Cole. After that, we had Cole & Yorke. In the mid 00's we signed RvN and Saha and shortly after the baton was passed onto Rooney-Ronaldo-Tevez with the former two having enjoyed the time to develop their game while Ruud was our main outlet. Then we got Berbatov and RvP for big amounts of cash. Ferguson could have gone with Welbeck but he chose to pay for one or two great seasons of RvP delivering the goods. In fact, Ferguson never hesitated to break the bank when it came to securing where the goals were going to come from.

If we assume that top-four is going to be decided on fine margins, then we need to make sure that we have players who will provide us with an edge when the going gets tough. Kane will certainly score goals which will earn Spurs points they probably will not deserve, Aubameyang and Lacazette have 35-40 goals between them to make sure that Arsenal will be near the top-four until next May. Chelsea are a mess but they aren't allowed to sign anyone either. The way i see it, we are putting a lot of faith in Martial & Rashford being the real deal this season. I just can't see them scoring 35-40 league goals between them (with no further additions until Thursday, that is). Hope i'm wrong though.

"We should" is nicely phrased. We will have to. Although I'm secptical about how much time Ole will give them. I'd certainly like to see a much as possible from Gomes and Greenwood.

Happy to see young players getting chances, but there's a difference between giving them chances, and gambling your season on 18 year olds.

It's great we've got some exciting young players but I don't want us to heap pressure on them to deliver before any of them have even started a meaningful game.

Chong has yet to really translate the quality we've seen from him at youth level into even friendly senior football. A loan to a Dutch side would be ideal. Greenwood has obviously impressed, but as you would expect at his age looks raw and not yet ready to be thrown into the fray. He should stay, train with the first team and be a fixture in League Cup and easier FA Cup games, but I wouldn't be considering him for significant PL game time just yet.

Gomes is the one who looks ready, to me. I'd hope that Solskjaer is giving him equal consideration for the #10 role, unprejudiced by his age. I'd very seriously consider starting him against Chelsea.

We should put faith in Garner if we fail to bring a CDM.

Tony247 said:

It's a myth that if put under pressure the young could crumble. There could be physical aspect which is understandable. But mental? no. There is nothing like learning at young age by working under real pressure, in real matches that matters to the club and fans. If there is a potential then expose them to the real competition. I am not saying play them every minute, but give them a fair piece of game and competition based on their physical condition, and not just as 80th min sub.

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I agree with this. Either you have the mentality to succeed at the top level or you don't. Winners can still have shit games at a young age, and then have the confidence to get up and try again in spite of the bad press.

And it's not like we don't have senior players who crumble under pressure if the last three months of last season was anything to go by.

I believe we should put faith in Ole, and if Ole puts faith in Greenwood, Gomes and Chong, we should too. If he doesn't, well, he is better placed than us to know how much faith should put in them than we are.

cyril C said:

Gomes and Chong should be loan out, they got talent but not good enough for EPL yet. Even a year at Championship should be good for them. Greenword can stay as impact sub (plus a few cup games) unless we do get a quality replacement for Lukaku (Daybala e.g.) in such case he might not get many games, then a loan will be best for him.

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Greenwood has the potential to be a exceptional player but in my opinion, I think Gomes is more ready. He has looked a lot more natural in pre season and possess something we do not have in this team, close ball control. I would not hesitate to start him on the RW or LW against Chelsea. Greenwood will be a great back up striker, better than Lukaku. I agree on Chong, not ready at all and need minutes in another league, championship or relegation prem team.

I do fancy a Zidanes and Pavones style approach. I'd probably have let Mata go and bought a #10 and a proper creative winger:

--------------------Martial(Greenwood)-----------
Rashford(Gomes)-#10(Lingard)----RW(James)

Lingard can be sold next summer with Greenwood, Gomes and James giving us a 9, a creative playmaker and a proper wideman as options off the bench, let Chong mop up the other games.

Greenwood got until january to show he can be useful or he need to be loan.
We have too many youngsters that need to play every week to level up.

Gomes is more versatile, we will find room.

I don't know for Chong. Loan seems the evidence but training with Utd first team can be better for him.

Van Gaal + Greenwood + Chong + Gomez + Tunezebe = What beauty that would be!

Reading through all of this makes me think I'm blind or something, but I really like Chong. He seems to have that knack for creating something out of nothing.

And when they have 5 or 6 bad games people will want them hooked.

Greenwood didn't play tonight so he's sure to be involved on Sunday

Looks like neither Gomes or Chong will be since they both had 90mins Vs Rotherham

From what I've seen Greenwood and Gomes are ready for the step up, Chong needs more time

londonredmaniac said:

And when they have 5 or 6 bad games people will want them hooked.

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I don't think they're at the stage of getting 5-6 consecutive games yet. They'll probably get some starts in cups and odd sub appearances in the league - but I can ensure you at some point in the season both Gomes and Greenwood will get a major break in terms of injuries or suspensions. The key would be can they make a statement. Because fans are fickle and you need to give them something good when you play or they turn on you and you become Rashford.

I'm all for chucking Greenwood and Gomes in right now. Two of my favourite things post Fergie were Januzaj's and Rashford's debut seasons from an individual pov.

cfkane said:

I believe we should put faith in Ole, and if Ole puts faith in Greenwood, Gomes and Chong, we should too. If he doesn't, well, he is better placed than us to know how much faith should put in them than we are.

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People on this forum are losing their minds. Tell me one successful team with that many kids on their lineup. Dare I say the main problem for United has been too many kids on the starting lineup when ideally they should be bench players. Yes I’m looking at you Rashers, Lingi and Martial. They’re impact players for now. Martial hasn’t progressed at all.

Mr PG said:

People on this forum are losing their minds. Tell me one successful team with that many kids on their lineup. Dare I say the main problem for United has been too many kids on the starting lineup when ideally they should be bench players. Yes I’m looking at you Rashers, Lingi and Martial. They’re impact players for now. Martial hasn’t progressed at all.

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You could say that, yes, but you'd be wrong. In fact I don't think you could be further from the truth.

Our biggest, fundamental issues in the last few years have been caused by allowing players to remain here well beyond their usefulness. Whether they're just not very good to begin with (Rojo, Fellaini, Schneiderlin), are past it and aren't being moved on when they should've been (Rooney, Mata, Matic, Schweinsteiger, Valencia, Young), are injury prone beyond belief (Jones, Rojo again, Bailly) or are senior "star" players not stepping up to the plate (Di Maria, Lukaku, Falcao).

Lingard's not even a kid, he's 26, and Martial didn't even start every game until Solskjaer became manager. I can't believe a United fan thinks that the young players are the issue.

I'd like to one or two at Premiership clubs. Making sure they would be regulars at clubs like West Ham, Burnley, Wolves, Watford etc.
Just worry that their playing time will be taking up by Sanchez, Perriera and Lingard.

Of the three Greenwood should stay with the lack of strikers.

Samid said:

Chong won't make it here.

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Obertan and even Bebe had more talent or so it seems. There is still time for Chong, but he actually seems to get worse the more he plays.

Samid said:

Chong won't make it here.

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He is not that good. No good first, dribbling, and don’t have a football IQ.

Samid said:

Chong won't make it here.

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been quite obvious whenever he played. He had 2 decent games including pre season since Ole took over for the first team, the others have been atrocious.

Apologies for the hyperbole but I'll go anyway and stand by this; Chong is utterly useless and is being kept quiet by someone whose last meal was served to him via a placenta.

He will end up playing for AZ Alkmar, St Etienne, Benfica, Bursapor and Swansea level clubs if he is extremely lucky. Fully expect him to of been released or sold inside of 24 months.

There is zero ability there.

If I'm wrong I'll donate £100 to the charity of the Cafes choice.

Samid said:

Chong won't make it here.

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Yep, he's done nothing to suggest he should get any minutes over Gomes and Greenwood.

Murder on Zidane's Floor said:

Apologies for the hyperbole but I'll go anyway and stand by this; Chong is utterly useless and is being kept quiet by someone whose last meal was served to him via a placenta.

He will end up playing for AZ Alkmar, St Etienne, Benfica, Bursapor and Swansea level clubs if he is extremely lucky. Fully expect him to of been released or sold inside of 24 months.

There is zero ability there.

If I'm wrong I'll donate £100 to the charity of the Cafes choice.

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Maybe its just nerves, but yeah...hes been pretty damn awful

Samid said:

Chong won't make it here.

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Been apparent for some time now.

Not sure what Chong is doing at the club tbh....pretty sure you would find at least a handful of better players on the playing fields of Manchester this coming Saturday!

This forum always ends up severely overrating our academy products.

Big Ben Foster said:

This forum always ends up severely overrating our academy products.

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This condition is known as the Class of 92' hangover affect.

Being kept quite by a 16 year old who is in desperate need of a glass of milk.

I said ages ago that this fan base massively overrates how good these young players are now.

Stop it or it's going to result in more Rashfords.

It would be blind faith based on nothing. Youth team stuff means very little. No evidence yet they're ready to be first-team regulars, would be terrible and utterly irresponsible management to do anything of the sort.

peridigm said:

This condition is known as the Class of 92' hangover affect.

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100%. There were some mad things being said in pre season and people were comfortable putting their hats on untried youths. "We shouldn't replace Lukaku because Greenwood" and that sentiment lasted about 5 matches

What did Jones do? or not do?