Agree 100%, I said it after that Wolves game (in which his part for their winner was even worse) too.
Not sure of the situations you are talking about, however, usually if a keeper passes the ball straight to a midfielder, the idea is for him to have a one touch pass to a full back. Unless of course there is time for the midfielder to turn.
Passing the ball to your deepest player on the edge of your own box when they are surrounded by opposition players is generally considered to be an error.
DeGea needs to learn who can handle that pass who can’t. Matic too slow and Fred is weak albeit technically gifted... Pogba could but is as likely to be caught trying to fluff around doing fancy dribbles so only Scott is trustworthy enough.
"When I played 20 years ago the goalkeeper always kicked it as far away as possible. I have learned nothing since then and think that people that have played a lot but disagree with me must have been crap."
Sorry, didn't mean for it to be used as a defense for poor players. But there are a few instances which people tend to remember as being a clear indication that a player is poor and these are the two incidents used to beat Fred and Matic with. There are other aspects of their game which should be the subject of greater scrutiny and not just the ones which of course rightly receive attention because they led to goals. I like looking at things less conventionally.
Not its not, what century are you living in? All the players were already behind him he got a perfect ball to beat the press. Its called playing out of the back. You need to be able to control a ball when there're 3 people closing down.
I don't think it is a poor pass in that it did reach Matic. It was a risky pass which could have paid off and didn't.
Matic is more a defensive mid than a playmaker in that no 6 role.
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To be fair United fans are used to seeing mediocre passing so their expectations have changed.Can’t believe this is even still a debate
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We’re a premier league team that is capable of playing football beyond basic skills. Our DM is capable of having a first touch that sets him apart from amateurs.
Look at the video above. That pass is so key to breaking a press and outnumbering the opposition and countering aggressively. It’s also such a basic expectation at this level to deal with that pass - look at the runner off the ball, he’s expecting Gomes to handle that easily. If you actually think we should not be capable of that simple maneuver then you must also be content with a mid table finish.
No excuse for mediocrity.
The academy is showing us how it’s done. Follow suit
Good post. Gomes showed how it is done and he was under more pressure than Matic who had clear space to take first touch and turn. It also shows why Matic shouldn't be first choice player.Can’t believe this is even still a debate
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We’re a premier league team that is capable of playing football beyond basic skills. Our DM is capable of having a first touch that sets him apart from amateurs.
Look at the video above. That pass is so key to breaking a press and outnumbering the opposition and countering aggressively. It’s also such a basic expectation at this level to deal with that pass - look at the runner off the ball, he’s expecting Gomes to handle that easily. If you actually think we should not be capable of that simple maneuver then you must also be content with a mid table finish.
No excuse for mediocrity.
The academy is showing us how it’s done. Follow suit
See post 71 in the thread. Have a nice day now.
To even consider this a mitigating factor would suggest you're in that category. It's pretty basic stuff for a DM to know what is around him in this situation, whether the ball is played to him or not him. At no point is it ever acceptable for him to be ball watching. His head should be on a swivel, he should have an image in his mind of where the opposition and his teammates are. If he wasn't confident enough to control a basic pass on the half turn then he should play it to the LCB, who is standing entirely on his own.
This exactly. As soon as I saw this I thought of this thread and how this is a perfect example of how to turn the situation into an attacking opportunity.Can’t believe this is even still a debate
There is two school of thoughts here: we’re a Sunday league team and we don’t have the skill to beat a press with our DM. Fookin boot it keeper! Pathetic.Tweet
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We’re a premier league team that is capable of playing football beyond basic skills. Our DM is capable of having a first touch that sets him apart from amateurs.
Look at the video above. That pass is so key to breaking a press and outnumbering the opposition and countering aggressively. It’s also such a basic expectation at this level to deal with that pass - look at the runner off the ball, he’s expecting Gomes to handle that easily. If you actually think we should not be capable of that simple maneuver then you must also be content with a mid table finish.
No excuse for mediocrity.
The academy is showing us how it’s done. Follow suit
Exactly. He lacked awareness and his first touch was poor in that instance.
Surely it's risky in that, if it goes wrong then we have no defensive shape and they are swarming around him.
But it is on, and it is the right pass to play. The keeper can't account for the DM being incapable of controlling the ball in less than 3 touches, or having no idea of the players around him. This isn't anything new, we see dozens of teams play out like this. The centrebacks split and the defensive midfielders drop deep into the vacated space to make another option. If the CM needs to release the ball quickly he can either return it to the keeper (who wasn't on) or pass it to one of the CBs (one of whom was in acres of space). There's absolutely nothing wrong with what DDG did, in fact, as a team that wants to proactively play from the back, I imagine the coaching staff would be fairly pissed to see him lump it long as opposed to play it to the DM who WAS in space.
So to surmarise your arguement while linking back to the title of the thread; we have shit DMs, but it’s still De Gea’s fault for making them look bad.
No where in any of the posts I’ve written in this thread have I said such a thing. What I have said to “summarise” Matic is crap we know this, DeGea should know this, wrong decision to give him the ball then knowing Matic is crap. Meaning DeGea shares some of the blame.So to surmarise your arguement while linking back to the title of the thread; we have shit DMs, but it’s still De Gea’s fault for making them look bad.
It was a risky pass, but that's how we're going to be playing now so you're going to have to get use to it. I'm sure we'll concede a few goals because of it and a few players are going to get found out but we shouldn't be second guessing every pass because not every player is comfortable receiving the ball when an opposition player is within 8 yards of him, we should be fluid. There's been too many players getting away with hoofing the ball every time they are under-pressure for too long here and I'd rather give the benefit of the doubt to the player that's being brave with the ball.
The reason people have jumped on you is because you made a dickish comment along the lines that disagreeing with you meant that person was crap at football. You asked to be treated like an idiot, and that's what you got.
So because I pointed out you had made many assumptions this is now the best you can come up with? Note also I never just said people jumped on me. I said people have jumped on people as in there are more than one person saying there was mutual fault in the scenario.
He knows how to disguise a pass, a lot of his short passing is impressive because it wrong foots the pressing team. His passes are so well weighted and so perfect for the receiver to push it into a bit of space with their first touch too. He is a couple of levels above 99% of keepers on that front
For someone who embeds condescension into every post, you sure do whine a lot.
Classic CAF
