How good was Zlatan?

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In the past 10 years, which forwards would you consider as better than Zlatan?

Muller? Suarez? Lewandowski? Anyone else?
None of these. Possibly Van Persie, possibly Aguero. I wouldn't have any of the 3 in the OP ahead of Zlatan though.
 

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And the titles with Inter were post Calciopoli when they were the only big team that didn't get hit with it. I think the only really impressive title he won was with Milan.
Yes.

But the Ajax titles, as lesser as they might seem, are notorious. Let's not forget that if Ajax drops one point too many, PSV is always there to seize the league trophy.

In my opinion his peak was 02-04 Ajax, 08-09 Inter and 2010-11 Milan. PSG an important late career run.
 

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3 goals, 2 assists in 23 knockout CL games between 2003 - 2011.

For a man with supposesedly such a good link-up play and bringing others into the game I thought he always struggled when he wasn't an absolute main man in the team.

PSG helped his reputation, not damaged it.
 
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His peak performance levels are as good as anybody. On his day he was untouchable.

The problem is too often in his career he didn't reach his top level. Maybe his ego stopped him working his hardest or he found it too easy and didn't try.

Some people just don't find the consistency in their game until they get a bit older.

His level at PSG/United were very high all season long.
 

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I think he spent most of his career being one of the best strikers in the world without ever actually being the best.
 

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As is usual with these types of discussions, the sheer existence of Messi and Ronaldo throws things off a bit. Zlatan was for about ten years, a top, top, top world class 'triffic player. He definitely would have been perceived as one of the world's best players had the aforementioned duo not been bred in their respective labs. He's certainly up there with generational talents, beginning in the Totti, Henry and Zidane era. Lasting into the Van Persie, Suarez, Modric and Sergio Ramos epoch.

I personally think he can be a bit of a bully. Seemingly a nice guy off the pitch but he plays on the edge of madness and sometimes crosses the line.
 

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Impossible to get consensus on this.
He was incredible in league games, i watched him a lot when he was in Italy and he carried a decent Inter to league titles. Head and shoulders above everyone in the league.

He lifted a struggling Milan side and made them champions as well.

Watched him a lot at Psg as well and he was more often than not absolute world class.

Was for some reason a mere shadow of himself in those knockout rounds in the cl.
 

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One of the best of his generation, I'd class him in the Suarez-bracket slightly above Van Persie due to his longevity, even though Van Persie was truly awesome for a couple of seasons.

He did underperform in the CL until about 2010, but I think he overall stepped up after leaving Barcelona.
Serie A/French league being weak is not the only explanation to his domination between 2010-2016.

His performances for the Swedish NT also improved a lot. For example, from 2012-2015 he scored 34 goals in 37 games for Sweden.

Besides scoring goals he was also very creative and made a lot of assists, especially in his later years.

What stands out with Zlatan though is the sheer amount of outrageous goals!

Really wished he would had joined us 5 years earlier.
 

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I put Muller in there as they were the 3 names the thread starter used.



Take away the PSG stint, which doesn't count for much, and Zlatan only had two 20+ league goal seasons. Going off ~30 years of watching football the best I've seen were the likes of Ronaldo, Romario and Batistuta. Zlatan was a brilliant player but he was not on that level.
I think we have to take into account the style of play in Italian football where a team could win a title by scoring as little as 60 goals . Zlatan played one season in England aged around 34 and scored 28 goals . In his prime he could have got 40 easily .
 

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Better than any of our players in the last 20 years bar Ronaldo.

If we had signed him when Sir Alex was around we would probably have had at least 1 more CL title.
Not at all.

I'd take RVN, Rooney and even RVP over over him. And that's just talking about forwards. The fact that the guy never even reached a CL final, should tell you how great he was. Great players elevate their team and single handedly drag them across the line in many cases, something Zlatan was never capable of.
 

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I genuinely loved having him here and he had that special aura about him that the best United players have had but whenever I saw him in the champions league for Inter, Barca or PSG (which wasn't that often to be fair) he never quite reached the level of performance I thought he was capable of.

I do wonder if he hadn't have got injured if he'd have stuck around at United for a few more years. He was by all accounts a big character in the dressing room and was loyal to Jose. I would have backed him to get 35 goals in his first season but for that injury :(
 

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It's ok to judge his performances in the champions league but it's a bit harsh to use the fact that's he's never won it to say he wasn't a truly great player. Patrick Vieira never even made it past the quarter final of the CL but is still a legend of the game.
 

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He's better than most, but not nearly as good as he thinks he is. Might be the most spectacular goal scorer ever though. some of the goals he scored are outrageous, but also in a very distinct manner. The Jean-Claude van Damme spin kick goal in the MLS is his career in a nutshell.

Never seen him play in the KO stages of the CL though. Which is weird, because I'm quite sure he was on a lot of teamsheets.
 

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He certainly does not like to score simple goals. I would say he was the best striker in the world during his peak. Period wise. The Cup Final against Southampton showed his class too. He came to UK a few years too late. He has lost his speed and United does not even play to the best way he likes to play.

In Hindsight we should have let him recover fully that season and not let him go. Last season he would have been extremely useful for us with the lack of form of Lukaku.
He certainly knows how to score goals that are also very entertaining. One of the biggest players to play for United along with Ronaldo. I would say during his time it was Ronaldo, Messi(in no particular order) and the Ibra as the third best player and the rest a bit behind these three.
 
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He was top 10 in the latter part of his career. I think his special character played against him early on and if he had matured earlier he may have been recognized as an all time great.
 

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I thought he always struggled when he wasn't an absolute main man in the team.
In short, the entire reason why he doesn't belong in the conversation with messi and cri

Dominated serie A in a way i've never seen though. Never as good as ronnie or zidane or even kaka at their best, but the consistency over the years was something else
 

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Are you people for real ?! :houllier::confused:

Zlatan is among the top 5 strikers in history, top 10 in the worst case scenario.
He killed it whereever he went. He adapted with ease and scored tons of goals.

Ronaldo Fenomeno and Van Basten are the top 2 strikers in history.
The other 8 that compose the top 10 are, in no particular order:
Zlatan
T. Henry
Batistuta
Romario
Weah
Drogba
Van Nistelroy
Raul

And before some of you will jump on me for not including the likes of Pele, CR7, Messi, etc, I'd like to remind you that they are forwards.
 

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Are you people for real ?! :houllier::confused:

Zlatan is among the top 5 strikers in history, top 10 in the worst case scenario.
He killed it whereever he went. He adapted with ease and scored tons of goals.

Ronaldo Fenomeno and Van Basten are the top 2 strikers in history.
The other 8 that compose the top 10 are, in no particular order:
Zlatan
T. Henry
Batistuta
Romario
Weah
Drogba
Van Nistelroy
Raul

And before some of you will jump on me for not including the likes of Pele, CR7, Messi, etc, I'd like to remind you that they are forwards.
Did football start in the 80s?
 

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One of my favourite Zlatan goals. Important qualifier, away from home in stoppage time. Boom!
 

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Did football start in the 80s?
It did according to this guy. I think Zlatan is one of the most overrated players in recent history. PEP was no fool when forcing him out of Barcelona, as he knew his inadequacies. No way he would force Ronald & Messi out, & neither Aguero who although he had doubts about knew their was a top class striker he could use there. Funny, that Aguero is not on this list.
 

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It did according to this guy. I think Zlatan is one of the most overrated players in recent history. PEP was no fool when forcing him out of Barcelona, as he knew his inadequacies. No way he would force Ronald & Messi out, & neither Aguero who although he had doubts about knew their was a top class striker he could use there. Funny, that Aguero is not on this list.
People like Bogdan are outliers in the discussion, so aren't a particularly useful barometer of how highly rated he is. If you only focus on the extremes then every player that has ever existed is both overrated and underrated. The idea he was overrated in general was the dominant opinion in England until a) those 4 goals and b) the ease at which he adapted to the PL when clearly past his best. He made English football pundits look very foolish by the end of his (European) career. Surprised some people haven't moved past that point, but you seem to hinge a lot on Guardiola's views.

Arrigo Sacchi didn't much like Roberto Baggio either. Personality clashes with star players are common, particularly for ones who are obsessed with playing one way. The way Pep likes to play football is both beautiful and effective, but it's not the right way. It's just his (adopted) way. Modelling your views on football on his is a bit weird. It's easy to see that if you look at someone like Sacchi. Incredible achievements and his vision of the game was clearly very well formed. But it had obvious flaws that subsequent managers demonstrated. It's only because Guardiola's early into his career that it's possible to believe that isn't also true for Guardiola.

Zlatan was obviously a better player than Aguero, from my perspective. His latter years success with Sweden made it a non-discussion, when contrasted against Aguero's consistently tragic international career. The only major criticism you can throw at Zlatan is there for Aguero too - great in the league, not so great in Europe. And Guardiola would've gotten rid of Aguero if he could've replaced him with Messi too.
 

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Are you people for real ?! :houllier::confused:

Zlatan is among the top 5 strikers in history, top 10 in the worst case scenario.
He killed it whereever he went. He adapted with ease and scored tons of goals.

Ronaldo Fenomeno and Van Basten are the top 2 strikers in history.
The other 8 that compose the top 10 are, in no particular order:
Zlatan
T. Henry
Batistuta
Romario
Weah
Drogba
Van Nistelroy
Raul

And before some of you will jump on me for not including the likes of Pele, CR7, Messi, etc, I'd like to remind you that they are forwards.
Henry, Batistuta, Suarez, Romario and Weah were comfortably better than Zlatan.
I’d prefer Ruud, Aguero, Shearer and prime Rooney over him too.
 

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Did football start in the 80s?
No, but none of the strikers before that are better than those I mentioned.

Henry, Batistuta, Suarez, Romario and Weah were comfortably better than Zlatan.
I’d prefer Ruud, Aguero, Shearer and prime Rooney over him too.
Batistuta, Ruud and Weah are roughly on a similar level.
Romario was brilliant in the penalty area, but his small stature prevents him from winning the type of balls Zlatan does.
Rooney Shearer and Aguero are also great, but Zlatan is superior.
Suarez is way too overrated.
 

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No, but none of the strikers before that are better than those I mentioned.



Batistuta, Ruud and Weah are roughly on a similar level.
Romario was brilliant in the penalty area, but his small stature prevents him from winning the type of balls Zlatan does.
Rooney Shearer and Aguero are also great, but Zlatan is superior.
Suarez is way too overrated.
I'd be very surprised if anyone who saw Denis Law play thought Ruud was better than him, for starters.
 

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Zlatan Ibrahimovic Career so far:

895 games
527 goals (19th all time top scorer in football history)
200 assists

Titles(33):

Eredivisie(2): 2001-02, 2003-04
KNVB Cup: 2001-02
Johan Cruyff Shield: 2002
Serie A(6): 2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08, 2008-09, 2010-11
Supercoppa Italiana(3): 2006, 2008, 2011
La Liga: 2009-10
Supercopa de España(2): 2009, 2010
UEFA Super cup: 2009
FIFA Club World Cup: 2009
Ligue 1(4): 2012-13, 2013-14, 2014-15, 2015-16
Coupe de France(2): 2014-15, 2015-16
Coupe de la Ligue(3): 2013-14, 2014-15, 2015-16
Trophée des Champions(3): 2013, 2014, 2015
FA Community Shield: 2016
EFL Cup: 2016-17
UEFA Europa League: 2016-17

Honours:

Golden Foot Award: 2012

FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2013
FIFA FIFPro World XI Second Team(3): 2014, 2015, 2016
FIFA FIFPro World XI Third Team: 2017
FIFA Puskas Award: 2013
FIFA WPOTY/The Best/Ballon d'Or Nominations: 17
FIFA FIFPro World XI Nominations: 12
FIFA Puskas Award Nominations: 4

UEFA Team of the Year(4): 2007, 2009, 2013, 2014
UEFA Team of the Year Nominations(10): 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year(substitute): Published 2015
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Euro Goal of the Tournament(2): 2004, 2012
UEFA Euro 2004 Man of the Match: Italy vs Sweden
UEFA Euro 2008 Man of the Match: Greece vs Sweden
UEFA Euro 2012 Man of the Match: Sweden vs France
UEFA Champions League Most Assists: 2012-13
UEFA Champions League Silver Boot: 2013-14
UEFA Champions League Team of the Season: 2013-14
UEFA Champions League Group Stage Top Goalscorer: 2007-08
UEFA Europa League Champion: 2016-17
UEFA Europa League Team of the Season: 2016-17
UEFA Europa League Player of the Season - 3rd Place: 2016-17

Serie A Player of the Year(3): 2008, 2009, 2011
Serie A Foreign Player of the Year(5): 2005, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012
Serie A Team of the Year(6): 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012
Serie A Goal of the Year: 2008
Serie A Most Popular Player: 2005
Serie A Top Goalscorer(2): 2008-09, 2011-12
Serie A Player of the Month(3): Set. 2007, Dec. 2008, Jan. 2012

Supercoppa Italiana Top Goalscorer: 2011
Supercoppa Italiana Man of the Match: 2011

Ligue 1 Player of the Season(3): 2012-13, 2013-14, 2015-16
Ligue 1 Team of the Season(4): 2012-13, 2013-14, 2014-15, 2015-16
Ligue 1 Goal of the Season: 2013-14
Ligue 1 Top Goalscorer(3): 2012-13, 2013-14, 2015-16
Ligue 1 Bronze Boot: 2014-15
Ligue 1 Player of the Month(5): Set. 2012, Jan. 2014, Feb. 2014, Mar. 2014, Nov. 2015

Coupe de France Top Goalscorer(2): 2014-15, 2015-16
Coupe de France Final Man of the Match: 2015-16

Coupe de la Ligue Top Goalscorer: 2014-15
Coupe de la Ligue Final Man of the Match: 2014-15

Trophée des Champions Top Goalscorer: 2014
Trophée des Champions Man of the Match: 2014

Eredivisie Goal of the Season: 2004-05

Premier League Player of the Month: Dec. 2016
Premier League PFA Fans Player of the Month: Dec. 2016

EF League Cup Top Goalscorer: 2016-17
EF League Cup Final Man of the Match: 2016-17

FA Community Shield Top Goalscorer: 2016

Superettan Bronze Boot: 2000

MLS All-Star(2): 2018, 2019
MLS Best XI: 2018
MLS Newcomer of the Year: 2018
MLS Goal of the Year: 2018
MLS Silver Boot: 2018
MLS MVP Third Place: 2018
MLS Player of the Week: 4x
MLS Team of the Week: 16x
MLS Goal of the Week: 3x

ESPY Award Best MLS Player: 2019

ESM Team of the Year(4): 2006-07, 2007-08, 2012-13, 2013-14

Corriere dello Sport Supercannoniere(2): 2009, 2012

L'Équipe Journalist's Best XI: 2008

French GQ's Man of the Year: 2013

France Football Étoile d'or(2): 2013-14, 2015-16
France Football Foreign Player of the Year(3): 2012, 2013, 2014
France Football Ligue 1 Greatest Cult Player of all Time: Published 2019

Eurosport Goal of the Year: 2004

Sportschau Goal of the Year: 2012

ESPN FC Worldwide Rankings Player of the Season: 2015-16

Guldbollen(11): 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Swedish Forward of the Year(13): 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018
Swedish Male Athlete of the Year(4): 2007, 2009, 2012, 2014
Swedish Male Athlete of the Year Nominations(5): 2005, 2008, 2011, 2013, 2015
Swedish Achievement of the Year Nominations(3): 2005, 2009, 2013
Swedish Football Personality of the Year: 2002
Swedish Newcomer of the Year: 2001
Jerringpriset: 2007
Swedish Goal of the Year(2): 2012, 2013
Sweden National Team All-Time Top Goalscorer

Malmo FF Hall of Fame
Malmo FF Top Goalscorer: 2000

Ajax Hall of Fame
Ajax Top Goalscorer: 2003-04
Ajax Player of the Season: 2002-03

Juventus Player of the Season: 2004-05

Internazionale Hall of Fame
Internazionale Top Goalscorer(2): 2007-08, 2008-09
Internazionale Player of the Season(2): 2007-08, 2008-09

AC Milan Hall of Fame
AC Milan Top Golscorer(2): 2010-11, 2011-12
AC Milan Player of the Season(2): 2010-11, 2011-12

PSG Hall of Fame
PSG 2nd All-Time Top Goalscorer
PSG Top Goalscorer(3): 2012-13, 2013-14, 2015-16
PSG Player of the Season(4): 2012-13, 2013-14, 2014-15, 2015-16

Manchester United Top Goalscorer: 2016-17

LA Galaxy Top Goalscorer: 2018
LA Galaxy Player of the Year: 2018

Name a more accomplished striker...
 

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Henry, Batistuta, Suarez, Romario and Weah were comfortably better than Zlatan.
I’d prefer Ruud, Aguero, Shearer and prime Rooney over him too.
Id have David Villa ahead of him as well. Dont even want to start talking about the Romarios and Van Bastens of this world.
 

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I'd be very surprised if anyone who saw Denis Law play thought Ruud was better than him, for starters.
Of course Ruud is better, he is superior in every possible way.

Id have David Villa ahead of him as well.
Please tell me you're joking. Villa ain't even fit to carry Zlatan's jockstrap.

Zlatan is the best striker of the past decade by a country mile.
 

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Of course Ruud is better, he is superior in every possible way.


Please tell me you're joking. Villa ain't even fit to carry Zlatan's jockstrap.

Zlatan is the best striker of the past decade by a country mile.
You are a ridiculous person
 

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Peak Zlatan was a fecking monster. During the Ferguson era only Ruud was a more ruthless scoring machine.

Among the great strikers of all time? Probably somewhere in the 11-20 range.
 

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In terms of physique and technique as a striker you could argue that Ibrahimović is among the outstanding players at the position for the last 30 years, with Van Basten being the reference point for the period. But while he had a successful and exceptionally long career...particularly at domestic level where he was almost consistently dominant since his mid 20s at Internazionale, won the Serie A with the trio of Milan, Internazionale, Juventus — won the league almost everywhere he went in 4 different countries, gained cult hero at several clubs, had a short but powerful impact at United, carried a few teams with his quality, and aged like fine wine with an impressive 0.80 GPG ratio for Sweden in his 30s — matched by a similar ratio at club level, you could argue that he didn't quite fulfill his potential...

Mostly by virtue of never being a player who genuinely put the collective before himself (even though he's clearly intelligent and was educated at Ajax for 4 years), having an ego that surpassed even Cristiano's but not delivering at a comparable level wrt. being an executor or driving force at the very highest level, underwhelming in the business end of the European Cup (which is the true litmus test of greatness in modern football), not performing at an exceptional level for a contender where he wasn't the proverbial top dog (for reference Barcelona and Internazionale both won the Champions League preceding/following his arrival/departure...coincidental but not quite), prematurely transferring to a league where he would score aplenty and stand atop the summit without a great amount of effort or having a great many rivals to challenge him (it paradoxically enhanced his overall reputation but didn't address the criticisms), taking far too long to mature and losing his peak athleticism levels in the process aside from a short while with Internazionale and Milan, and so forth.

All things considered I'd say he was/is a more technical and outrageous version of Lewandowski, because they have a few similar flaws in an All-Time context. A very, very good striker...a genius because of his talent and knack for producing magical moments, but perhaps not a genuine great in a broader sense — when you look at his resumé and individual accolades, he should be vying for the crown of the 2nd best striker of the post Van Basten/Romário era after Ronaldo de Lima, but he's below Suárez, Henry, Batistuta, Shevchenko...and maybe even someone like Eto'o — who didn't have the same talent on a superficial level and wasn't as eye-catching, but was a superior team player and a key factor in 3 separate Champions League winning squads. Awesome entertainer, though — a glamorous, witty showman along the lines of Cantona, a Top 10-ish player for the last decade, and one of the best players from Scandinavia with Laudrup, Schmeichel, Liedholm, Nordahl.
 

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Appearances: 20
Goals: 11
Assists: 5

:lol: And he came in January!

The 38-year-old is now the oldest man ever to score 10 or more in the Italian top flight, breaking a mark set by Silvio Piola more than 60 years ago.

Damn, he keeps on breaking records after records in his 30s.
Late bloomer indeed.
 

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Zlatan is not only a great player but more importantly, his presence in the team and on the field inspires others to get the best out of themselves. It's that sort of feeling like you want to seek his approval and so you try and give your very best. Hence, the team maybe overachieving and could explain the results since he came into the team.
 

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As a swede I’ve followed his career carefully. Individually I rate him higher than every offensive player the last 20 years except Ronaldo and Messi. His longevity is almost unheard of and has a lot to do with how extremely professional he is. His big weakness is as a team player pre United. This is a big part of why him and his teams didn’t excel in CL.
 

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I think he has a decent shot at being the third best attacker of his generation. In all honesty, it is between him, Suarez and Lewandowski (Aguero, Neymar, RVP, Rooney and possibly Villa/Muller/Cavani to complete the top 10).
 

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I think he has a decent shot at being the third best attacker of his generation. In all honesty, it is between him, Suarez and Lewandowski (Aguero, Neymar, RVP, Rooney and possibly Villa/Muller/Cavani to complete the top 10).
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