City avoid transfer ban

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Honestly, what's the point of a fine of £400k? That's two weeks of Sterling's wage max. To a club like city that's laughable, where's the lesson for them? Well we might as well just keep doing it and we'll pay the pittance?

If you're going to fine a club like that it should be on a percentage of their reported earnings to really hit them. Since city like to report they make sure a huge profit they should be getting fined in the 50 million mark or you know, actually banned from signing players, like they should be.
 

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I don't think we need to worry about austerity measures being introduced in Abu Dhabi any time soon as a result of this ban.

I reckon that at current oil prices, it is going to take just under two and a half minutes of their oil revenue money to pay it.
 

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1 - The FFP relates to 2014 breach (From 2011/12 accounts) - The day after city published their 2013/14 accounts showing we had met FFP UEFA changed the FFP ruleset
2 - City have already been investigaed (and fined) by UEFA with this breach of FFP
3 - City agreed a deal with UEFA themselves to meet FFP and pay the fine for this breach
4 - The information comes from hacked email accounts
5 - Leaks to the press about a closed investigation - And then add to that the "hostile actors" of Qatar, Utd, LFC, Bayern being involved in the case
6 - The accusation that FFP has been set up by UEFA and the european elite to keep the elite at the top (For which there is a separate case)

Given all the above points I think that the FFP sanctions that the media are hoping for wont come, I also have a slight feeling it will result in FFP being changed or removed altogether.
You seem to be a bit confused with your current situation.

On points 1-3. You were punished for your original transgressions. You were punished according to the evidence available at the time. The recent leaks have confirmed that you lied during this investigation. Your financial irregularities were far greater than you stated. UEFA are perfectly entitled to re-open the investigation so you can be punished accordingly.

On point 4. CAS can accept the hacked emails as evidence. The only reason the emails would be inadmissible would be if they are faked or doctored. It is now known the emails are genuine as City have not refuted their existence or validity. A CAS decision also does not have to be evidence based. They can actually make a ''common sense'' decision. It's impossible for a club that was on the verge of bankruptcy a decade ago to now be turning over + £500Mill legitimately.

Point 5 & 6 dovetail. You were allowed a seat at the top table. You signed up to a set of rules that you had to adhere to gain an invitation to the top competitions. You have systematically flouted these rules. It is obvious that other clubs will complain. You may have had a case regarding the validity of FFP if you had taken the matter to court after your first infraction. You decided to go about things in a more underhand way.

The likely outcome to this will be a 3 year CL ban from UEFA. There will be discussions & it will be reduced to a 1 year ban with 2 years suspended. Your accounts will be placed under greater scrutiny. Your wage bill will have to be made totally transparent. A reduction of Abu Dhabi sponsorships & stricter limit's on how much your owner can top up sponsorships. These measures will then bring into line your spending with the true level of your generated earnings. We won't have the insane levels of spending from your next manager that we had from Guardiola. The main reason FFP was introduced was to stop the state funded clubs from running amok & destroying the game. There may be tweaks but they won't be along the lines of allowing state funded clubs to do as they please. This would be suicide for UEFA & football as a whole.
 
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Missed opportunity to give their Academy players a chance after spending so much to develop it.

Chance for the youngsters to get 5 mins here and there/ pep to show his genius.......if he hasn't already done.
 

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I suspect that might get thrown out too. Sorry to say but there has been a shedload of negative reports about City, mainly from reporters and outlets who just dont want City because they dont bring the clicks, they want the cosy big fanbase clubs bringing in more clicks and income. So what we're getting is a distorted view of the situation..

The media wont tell these details in their clamour for hate clicks
but some of the facts are:

1 - The FFP relates to 2014 breach (From 2011/12 accounts) - The day after city published their 2013/14 accounts showing we had met FFP UEFA changed the FFP ruleset
2 - City have already been investigaed (and fined) by UEFA with this breach of FFP
3 - City agreed a deal with UEFA themselves to meet FFP and pay the fine for this breach
4 - The information comes from hacked email accounts
5 - Leaks to the press about a closed investigation - And then add to that the "hostile actors" of Qatar, Utd, LFC, Bayern being involved in the case
6 - The accusation that FFP has been set up by UEFA and the european elite to keep the elite at the top (For which there is a separate case)

Given all the above points I think that the FFP sanctions that the media are hoping for wont come, I also have a slight feeling it will result in FFP being changed or removed altogether.

There's a good writeup from a decent City fan, a guy who looks into these things with an impartial eye, long long read though - https://boltfromtheblue.live/2018/11/18/how-uefa-shifted-the-goalposts-to-shaft-man-city/

So, UEFA want to keep FFP. City want to be at the top table in European football. The most likely outcome (I think) is that City will be found to be compliant (Or get a hefty fine). Seems most likely to me, but tbh there's so much cloak and dagger stuff, so much money and deals involved that anything can happen I suppose

Been drinking the kool aid much?
 

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I suspect that might get thrown out too. Sorry to say but there has been a shedload of negative reports about City, mainly from reporters and outlets who just dont want City because they dont bring the clicks, they want the cosy big fanbase clubs bringing in more clicks and income. So what we're getting is a distorted view of the situation..

The media wont tell these details in their clamour for hate clicks but some of the facts are:

1 - The FFP relates to 2014 breach (From 2011/12 accounts) - The day after city published their 2013/14 accounts showing we had met FFP UEFA changed the FFP ruleset
2 - City have already been investigaed (and fined) by UEFA with this breach of FFP
3 - City agreed a deal with UEFA themselves to meet FFP and pay the fine for this breach
4 - The information comes from hacked email accounts
5 - Leaks to the press about a closed investigation - And then add to that the "hostile actors" of Qatar, Utd, LFC, Bayern being involved in the case
6 - The accusation that FFP has been set up by UEFA and the european elite to keep the elite at the top (For which there is a separate case)

Given all the above points I think that the FFP sanctions that the media are hoping for wont come, I also have a slight feeling it will result in FFP being changed or removed altogether.

There's a good writeup from a decent City fan, a guy who looks into these things with an impartial eye, long long read though - https://boltfromtheblue.live/2018/11/18/how-uefa-shifted-the-goalposts-to-shaft-man-city/

So, UEFA want to keep FFP. City want to be at the top table in European football. The most likely outcome (I think) is that City will be found to be compliant (Or get a hefty fine). Seems most likely to me, but tbh there's so much cloak and dagger stuff, so much money and deals involved that anything can happen I suppose
Christ :lol:
 

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I suspect that might get thrown out too. Sorry to say but there has been a shedload of negative reports about City, mainly from reporters and outlets who just dont want City because they dont bring the clicks, they want the cosy big fanbase clubs bringing in more clicks and income. So what we're getting is a distorted view of the situation..

The media wont tell these details in their clamour for hate clicks but some of the facts are:

1 - The FFP relates to 2014 breach (From 2011/12 accounts) - The day after city published their 2013/14 accounts showing we had met FFP UEFA changed the FFP ruleset
2 - City have already been investigaed (and fined) by UEFA with this breach of FFP
3 - City agreed a deal with UEFA themselves to meet FFP and pay the fine for this breach
4 - The information comes from hacked email accounts
5 - Leaks to the press about a closed investigation - And then add to that the "hostile actors" of Qatar, Utd, LFC, Bayern being involved in the case
6 - The accusation that FFP has been set up by UEFA and the european elite to keep the elite at the top (For which there is a separate case)

Given all the above points I think that the FFP sanctions that the media are hoping for wont come, I also have a slight feeling it will result in FFP being changed or removed altogether.

There's a good writeup from a decent City fan, a guy who looks into these things with an impartial eye, long long read though - https://boltfromtheblue.live/2018/11/18/how-uefa-shifted-the-goalposts-to-shaft-man-city/

So, UEFA want to keep FFP. City want to be at the top table in European football. The most likely outcome (I think) is that City will be found to be compliant (Or get a hefty fine). Seems most likely to me, but tbh there's so much cloak and dagger stuff, so much money and deals involved that anything can happen I suppose
So media is biased (even though they can't stop licking City's arse) but City fan sees things with impartial eye.
 

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Bit astonishing claim considering the lengths the British press have gone to try and ignore all this on city's side.
Indeed. Any criticism has been very low key.

I also find it amusing that the press don't like city because city don't generate clicks, yet they skimp on details in the clamour for hate clicks. Which one is it, do they generate clicks or don't they?

The wording on the link to the "impartial" writeup is amusing too.
:lol:
 

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Indeed. Any criticism has been very low key.

I also find it amusing that the press don't like city because city don't generate clicks, yet they skimp on details in the clamour for hate clicks. Which one is it, do they generate clicks or don't they?

The wording on the link to the "impartial" writeup is amusing too. :lol:
I started to suspect it was a wind-up at that stage :lol:
 

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ok I tried. Dont expect a ban though. As for the bias, just look at any sports page in this country, it's full of headlines overwhemingly pandering to the biggest fanbases. It's human nature I know but there is a clear financial reason for it.
 

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I’m shocked that you’re all shocked. City will get away with the FFP breach too. Pundits have stated so by saying the Sheik can hire the best lawyers to challenge UEFA and will spend as much as it takes to get it dismissed. UEFA are toothless and are shit scared of City and PSG. My money will be on a another wallet shredding fine of £20 suspended for a year and a slap on the wrist.
 

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This post has a hauntingly beautiful melody but it misses the point. Aguero won't have to pay the fine out of his wages.
I'm confused...I'm just saying the fine is so paltry it's the equivalent of one week's wages for one of their best players
 

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I'd love for city to get a hefty ban, but taken together, these are significant circumstances to take into account:
Unfortunately, a lot of people are too lazy to read past a headline and when they are informed of the relevant facts they are too obstinate to change their view.
 

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Just seen that one of the reasons that City avoided a ban is they’ve been punished under the new legislated which came into force a month ago. As opposed to being punished under the legislated that existed when their offending took place (as Chelsea’s did). What a farce. FIFA might have shot themselves in the foot as we have a decent chance at winning at CAS now I imagine whilst before this we had zero chance. Would imagine there would be a big legal battle if we got the ban overturned.
 

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As for the bias, just look at any sports page in this country, it's full of headlines overwhemingly pandering to the biggest fanbases. It's human nature I know but there is a clear financial reason for it.
You've had a very easy ride from the press all things considered. It's only now starting to turn due to you denying the media darlings Liverpool success. You were all over the papers at the end of last season. You were more successful this season but the papers were dominated by Liverpool's near miss rather than what you achieved. Your cup runs were underwhelming which may have played a part in the lack of coverage but we'll never know.

You have been on a massive charm offensive with the media for the last few years. You realize as well as anyone that it's better to have the media with you rather than against you. You've now had the questions about Pep's wages after the cup final & papers like the Telegraph labeling you as boring. I'd be very surprised if UEFA cut you any slack due to the bad press you're receiving. It's all fair game & when you go about things the way you have you're there to be shot at.
 

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Just seen that one of the reasons that City avoided a ban is they’ve been punished under the new legislated which came into force a month ago. As opposed to being punished under the legislated that existed when their offending took place (as Chelsea’s did). What a farce. FIFA might have shot themselves in the foot as we have a decent chance at winning at CAS now I imagine whilst before this we had zero chance. Would imagine there would be a big legal battle if we got the ban overturned.
Convenient timing for a rule change. I means obviously completely coincidental, not a chance city and Fifa would be involved in anything unscrupulous.. :lol:
 

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Convenient timing for a rule change. I means obviously completely coincidental, not a chance city and Fifa would be involved in anything unscrupulous.. :lol:
Yup, the cynic in me feels that their case was reviewed after the rule change on purpose. As I’ve said before, I 100% agree with us being banned as we broke the rules however if our case was delayed a few months then we wouldn’t have got a ban essentially. Seems very unfair to me personally. It’ll be interesting to see what happens with an appeal now as surely any appeal would be held under the new laws as it’s a new review of the case and not of the rules of when we committed the crime.
 

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It appears City have not breached any rules after December 2016, when the interpretation of the rule(s) where made clear, while Chelsea has breached the rules after December 2016.

But I guess it’s easier to yell “corruption” and “oil money” when a rival club doesn’t get punished for something they didn’t do.
Well technically, Manchester City would still be a middling PL, or Championship club, if it wasn't for the oil money doping that created the football club it is today.
 

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Unfortunately, a lot of people are too lazy to read past a headline and when they are informed of the relevant facts they are too obstinate to change their view.
We only broke the rules a couple of times isn’t really an argument. Plus it was more you were just found guilty twice.
 

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That 315K fine is going to make them think twice about doing that again.
 

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That 315K fine is going to make them think twice about doing that again.
Lol! Can see them in the transfer meetings...

How much will he cost? £80m. Wait, sorry, it'll be £80.5m with the FFP payment
 

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Lol! Can see them in the transfer meetings...

How much will he cost? £80m. Wait, sorry, it'll be £80.5m with the FFP payment
More likely in sponsor meetings

How much will the owner pay etihad to pay us this year?

Well at least another 315k I’d guess plus whatever we agree before the fact with uefa on our other charges.
 

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We only broke the rules a couple of times isn’t really an argument. Plus it was more you were just found guilty twice.
Well obviously it is when you are determining the severity of the punishment. It's like getting points on a license. City were caught speeding, and Chelsea were caught having crashed their car while drunk. Do you expect City to receive the same punishment as Chelsea when Chelsea committed far more offences than we did, committed offences after the clarification of the rules in 2016, had already been found guilty of doing this once before, and did not cooperate with the investigation as we did? You can't seriously sustain the argument that City merited the same punishment as Chelsea. So now that's clear, all that's left to discuss is how much less severe of a punishment was merited. FIFA decided it was a fine.
 

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Well obviously it is when you are determining the severity of the punishment. It's like getting points on a license. City were caught speeding, and Chelsea were caught having crashed their car while drunk. Do you expect City to receive the same punishment as Chelsea when Chelsea committed far more offences than we did, committed offences after the clarification of the rules in 2016, had already been found guilty of doing this once before, and did not cooperate with the investigation as we did? You can't seriously sustain the argument that City merited the same punishment as Chelsea. So now that's clear, all that's left to discuss is how much less severe of a punishment was merited. FIFA decided it was a fine.
I’m more of a tough love person, don’t do the crime unless you can do the time.

Unless your city who have greased so many palms this decade your a bunch of slippery twats that will carry on cheating regardless.