Quite a few people have said displaced Hindus should be allowed to return. Don't believe anyone supports what happened to them.
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As for Patrick, hitting another low by posting Katie fecking Hopkins now, one of the biggest if not the biggest moron in Britain 
. If you have her on your side, then know for sure you're most likely wrong.
. If you have her on your side, then know for sure you're most likely wrong.No it's not but what does that have to do with what's going on right now?
Ya well maybe that can serve as a starting point for defusing the current situation. Lets hope a solution can be found that benefits everyone.
I would bet a lot of money that the current situation would not be happening if the Hindu displacement didn't happen. That at least seems to be driving a lot of the sympathy towards the BJPs actions at the moment, even from the large number of Hindus who can't stand the nonsense they spout at times.
And what happened in 1990 may not of happened had Kashmir been given independence before that. We can go on and on regarding the past but that doesn't justify the future.
And Kashmir may have been given independence if Pakistan hadn't lost their cool and invaded in 1947 before the situation could play out. For all you know, Pakistan would have gotten Kashmir had they just been patient as India would have had no justification to oppose a plebiscite with no surrounding violence.
I agree to that, Pakistan were rash in their actions and shouldn't have coordinated the insurgency then. I was reading that at one point India agreed to plebiscite but for some reason Jinnah declined it, mistakes were definitely made.
But, again, I say, that has nothing to do with what is going on now.
Mate you should read whatever you write in order to not contradict yourself later on. I mean I know it’s difficult lt to keep up with your bullshit but it would be better for you. You have resorted to bigotry in two separate instances. Anyone with even a bit of brains can clearly see your hypocrisy and bigotry
Politicians at the time of partition were fools and sellouts to let colonialists draw lines and separate India. Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are one people. Unfortunately, these colonialists have left a mess for future generations to sort out, much like in other parts of the world.
Stop listening to politicians and TV stations in your respective countries. They are nothing but narcissists and self-serving hypocrites. We have a scourge of fundamentalism in every society, and country. Fortunately, they are a very small minority. This thread has basically descended into mine is bigger and better than yours in different and fancy words. Basically, everyone's shit smells, the difference is we get used to our own shit and ultimately smells less.
Stop listening to politicians and TV stations in your respective countries. They are nothing but narcissists and self-serving hypocrites. We have a scourge of fundamentalism in every society, and country. Fortunately, they are a very small minority. This thread has basically descended into mine is bigger and better than yours in different and fancy words. Basically, everyone's shit smells, the difference is we get used to our own shit and ultimately smells less.
As for Patrick, hitting another low by posting Katie fecking Hopkins now, one of the biggest if not the biggest moron in Britain
neglect that content she posted totally, sheer hypocrisy of Pakistani posters isn't it.? What she posted is wrong ?
I have my eyes on a number of posters on this thread. Either improve your posts, stop generalising, posting WUM in response, or you'll be gone permanently.
I won't need to justify bannings. We know the culprits.
Peace!
I won't need to justify bannings. We know the culprits.
Peace!
Patrick and MJJ just get out of this thread. Let decent posters debate.
Final warning.
Final warning.
Thank you Sultan
Bjp's actions? 95% of the country including Muslims and minorities have supported their actions including opposition leaders. It's the right of the people to amend the constitution. Those people are actually promoting growth and secularism in the valley and the ridiculous out of depth people who benefitted from keeping the biased laws as their business practices are spreading ridiculous hinduphobia at the behest of Pakistan, what an irony.
Preach.
Best bit of advice in the thread. Most of the news channels these days just promote hatred and jingoism.
You can quote my one single indecent post I have posted here, I will leave the thread.
No one is debating on how Kashmiris need to be brought back into the fold & made to feel part of the country ASAP. And whether the government might have already made a blunder in the implementation.
No one is discussing about the human cost - short and long term, and how we need to prevent the rise of another generation of insurgents. My shawl wallah is stuck in Srinagar and I know he doesn't want azadi nor to join Pakistan. He wants his livelihood to be unaffected. We have a real risk of turning these people away from India.
If I can, I will visit Kashmir preferably this winter. A normal tourist season will do wonders to calm things down.
This thread is all dick swinging and India Pakistan nonsense. A cesspool of rubbish.
No one is discussing about the human cost - short and long term, and how we need to prevent the rise of another generation of insurgents. My shawl wallah is stuck in Srinagar and I know he doesn't want azadi nor to join Pakistan. He wants his livelihood to be unaffected. We have a real risk of turning these people away from India.
If I can, I will visit Kashmir preferably this winter. A normal tourist season will do wonders to calm things down.
This thread is all dick swinging and India Pakistan nonsense. A cesspool of rubbish.
I just need decent posters to carry on this debate. You're not one of those posters. A few on here are just too biased to let this be a decent debate.
Absolutely! well said...
MJJ, Prath and Patrick will not be posting in this thread.
Surely Bangladesh splintering off from Pakistan proves they're not though?
We were one country and people prior to partition in 1947.
I'm a religious minority myself and it's a bit laughable to suggest that Modi came to power only because of his economic policies. I'll find Edgar Allan Pillow and dump a bunch of idli sambar on his head when I see him. Yes, Hindutva agenda is on the rise in India. I'm from Tamil Nadu and is better than most states but even I feel the changes and Hindutva played a big role in Modi's election. Yes, it's all a bit shit.
Are we really though? As a South Indian, I always felt different from North Indians, never mind Pakistanis and Bangladeshi's. Hell, I've always felt different to Keralites and Kannadigas. Our own ambitions and misguided attempts to segregate based on religion is equally or more to blame as of Colonial Britain.
I think our cultural, culinary and linguistic differences are too great to be considered as one people.
I think it might have worked if we were all autonomous states with military, taxation and foreign affairs coming under the remit of a federal government.
Very good post.
Again good post. I have visited few countries and within India tour to Kashmir is one of the plans but for some reason I'm not comfortable going ahead with the plan. Maybe too scared as you never know what's going to happen next minute. Hopefully everything settles down and people can enjoy the beauty of the piece without being scared.
The will always be differences due to the size of the country with its beautiful cultural, language and religious differences. Even in a small country like the UK, there are differences in people, with many not feeling part of the Union. I guess its part of our make-up as humans.
There isn't much difference imo. At least the way I see Telugu and Kannada cultures are somewhat same, I always assumed it's same with TN and Kerala.
But like you said there is difference between North and South.
See my answer in post 1248, bro.
There was no such thing as India until British Rule surely.
They were all separate states in one way or another.
Differences in languages, food and cultures is what makes the Country beautiful.
Sure RD, we know all that because most of the posters posting are Indian.
Separate states under one rule. Much like every other country in the World.
Sul, you haven't got a post at 1248 bro, it's an ekkie thump post
I was just addressing the point that it was one country when it was never that.
The point about those who were arguing Ie. India/Pakistan is if we are to prevent bloodshed there needs to be a desire to find common ground.
Yep. We're on the same page.
Apologies, 1348.
right lads.
will leave it to those who understand this all a lot better.
And good move to bring it back to honest discussions.
will leave it to those who understand this all a lot better.
And good move to bring it back to honest discussions.
Agreed, it definitely seems based on the history I've read that the key politicians on both sides really pushed partition for their own gains of power rather than because it was the most optimal solution for all involved. Definitely a tragic situation. Think a strong federalist system (lots of rights such as education being retained by the states) similar to the one RedTiger described would have been the better solution in the long run and surely would have better controlled any subsequent violence.