Valverde to go? Jeez, if Ole won the League, lost the FA cup final and reached the CL semis he should go to?
Ernesto Valverde
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That’s exactly why those two clubs are never down for long. They hold themselves to a certain standard, without room for sentimentality or any of that nonsense.Wins the league but potentially sacked for a Cup final defeat and a CL semi final loss. Gary Neville would have fit if that happened in England.
In some ways I don't like it but in other ways I almost admire Barca and Real for having the ruthlessness to maintain a high standard. No way that Jose would have lasted half a season until December with us (LVG and Moyes too a few years back) if our club was run the same way. Probably no way we'd keep Ole after that dismal run at the end of the season either
Barcelona barely faced any competition in the league this season. Madrid collapsed and Atletico dropped off quite a while ago. He won the league by default, and lost in the competitions where he actually needed to demonstrate his managerial nous.
It’s a very different prospect to winning the league in England, for example against a rampant City and Liverpool. Even if Klopp loses in the CL final, no one would say he has to go, and indeed many would say that as a manager he’s performed better than Valverde over the course of this season.
Like thats ever going to happen.. but yes Ole should go.
If the club believes the team is capable of more, yes. Why's that such a difficult concept to understand?
Quite astonishing they are going to keep him.
Yeah it's strange how they seem to go for unfancied managers not as an alternative, but as their go-to plan. They need a proper coach IMO, who can instill a system again and also buy well as they've wasted a lot of money in recent years and still seemingly require a rebuild.Sack Valverde is a correct decision. But hiring Roberto Martinez??
Slightly different situation. This is Barcelona's golden era given they have arguably the greatest football of all time in their side, and hence their ambitions/goals are influenced by that. Also, Spain has a different disparity between the top 2/3 and the rest as compared to England these days.
In my life I have only seen Madrid win two consecutive leagues once.
Maybe in Barcelona they are badly used.
The message to the next coach is clear, or you win the champions or the season is a failure.
Maybe in Barcelona they are badly used.
The message to the next coach is clear, or you win the champions or the season is a failure.
Barca are a club that cares about winning but, also how you win. If they played a more appealing style under Valverde there would be less criticism coming his way.
I understand that they want to play better, and deep down, seeing how the coaches change so easily in la liga should not be a drama, but I do not know if another liga playing better, and losing the Champions will satisfy the fans.
I think Madrid caused that anxiety by winning 4 out of 5.
In any case if he leaves, the responsible / sporting director of the signings should leave too.
So if Ole won the league without any competition he should leave?
The situations are not even remotely comparable
If he had the best player ever on his team, as well as at least 4-5 other players you could arguably say are best in the world, or top 3 in the world in their positions, and got knocked out of the champions league after squandering a huge first leg lead two years in a row, then yes he should leave.
And as I’ve said before. There’s never a circumstance where you win the league in England without competition. Last season’s City probably are the only exception to this and that was because of how flawless they were.
90% win rate, no?
It's hard to sack someone with such numbers.
It's hard to sack someone with such numbers.
Didn’t you sack Capello after winning the league and that was due to style. The same is going on here. He’s too passive as a coach and they reliant far too much on Messi. He hasn’t got the best out of any of the new signings.
Lenglet and Artur have done very well. Dembelé has played very good matches too.
When they signed him, I thought it was because he had been at Espanyol and Athletic, that is, to promote the Masía among other things, but then they sign Boateng, Murillo, who are not players for Barcelona.
Personally I think that Coutinho is not valid for Barcelona either.
It's true what you say about Capello. It bothered me because I always liked Capello and that liga was very nice, but in any case, they did not win it with the solvency and regularity of this Barcelona.
For Madrid chances in la liga I think it would be good news if he is sacked.
I think that ultimately everything is based on two games, Roma and Liverpool, as when half of Madrid's seasons were based on Lyon.
Mediocre coach who's been lucky to coach a club that seemingly always has a high talent base. This is a club where fans moan about Suarez ffs, imagine if they had Lukaku stomping about the place. He's getting nothing out of Coutinho, and in big games decided Arthur shouldn't play despite his ability in tight spaces. If Barca knows what's good for them, they'd send this fraud packing.
The absolute state of this mediocre coach.
Imagine having Messi, Suarez, Griezmann, Dembele, Coutinho, De Jong, Arthur, etc... and waste that team with this fool.
Imagine having Messi, Suarez, Griezmann, Dembele, Coutinho, De Jong, Arthur, etc... and waste that team with this fool.
Messi and De Jong are the only real class. The rest are either past their prime or overrated. They've spent all kinds of money the last few transfer windows and still have plenty of weaknesses. Without Messi they are regular club.The absolute state of this mediocre coach.
Imagine having Messi, Suarez, Griezmann, Dembele, Coutinho, De Jong, Arthur, etc... and waste that team with this fool.
another wasted year for them. They wont win the CL and the league title depends on Real and Atleticos form. Buy buy buy though.
Mourinho's out of work you know?The absolute state of this mediocre coach.
Imagine having Messi, Suarez, Griezmann, Dembele, Coutinho, De Jong, Arthur, etc... and waste that team with this fool.
Mourinho is a big upgrade.
Mourinho?
I’d take Wenger
I’d take Wenger
Current Barcelona cannot play with a 4-3-3 because they lack two proper wingers. The only one they have, Dembele, is unreliable.
Too many chiefs; not enough indians.The absolute state of this mediocre coach.
Imagine having Messi, Suarez, Griezmann, Dembele, Coutinho, De Jong, Arthur, etc... and waste that team with this fool.
Even Simeone would put this team as attacking machine more than Valverde ever could. They really gonna wasted the last years of Messi, dont they?
They are a shambles if we are honest the way they are run.
They’ve just sent a 130m signing out on loan.
They’ve signed Griezmann for 120m and he doesn’t fit their shape or squad at all.
They spent about 100m on Dembele who just flatters to deceive constantly.
They have a lot of individually talented players who can win a game out of nothing, but they aren’t a team.
Valverde has taken them backwards.
They’ve just sent a 130m signing out on loan.
They’ve signed Griezmann for 120m and he doesn’t fit their shape or squad at all.
They spent about 100m on Dembele who just flatters to deceive constantly.
They have a lot of individually talented players who can win a game out of nothing, but they aren’t a team.
Valverde has taken them backwards.
Not a fan of Valverde at all. Honestly surprised he’s still in the Barca job. Even though they have dominated domestically.
Impossible to get Pep back. Klopp is happy at Liverpool. Pochettino wouldn't dare manage them. Those managers would elevate their performances, but why would any of them join?
Best bet is Allegri or *gulp* Mourinho to steady the ship.
They are a poorly run club (saddled with debt mind) that has Messi to thank for papering over many cracks. Reality check once he leaves.
The others were weak as well to be honest. Real was already on a downward spiral and Atletico as well. This year Atletico look much better and Real nobody knows, but at the moment they rely a lot on Messi. Valverde's whole plan is give Messi the ball and hope he saves him. If he isnt there, they have no clue how to play any sort of exciting football
Mou has an unfinished job there. It will be glorious to see him managing Barcelona after all these years..
Their transfers the last few windows have only been reactionary, without vision or plan. The purchases of Griezmann and Dembele are prefect examples of that. Astronomical prices to acquire them and neither are a great fit. Valverde is definitely somewhat to blame, but it goes deeper than that.
Uncle Ernie needs Arthur in midfield and Messi back ASAP.
Even if the Camp Nou accepted him, he still has bitter enemies in that dressing room: Piqué, Messi, Busquets.
2019 Valverde is a lot closer to Barça 2000-2002 (Serra Ferrer and Rexach) than Rijkaard's final year or Tata's.
They will hire David Moyes before they hire Mourinho..
Yeah I agree. He’s too conservative
Valverde's Barcelona could have Neymar, Griezmann and Suarez as a front 3 and they'd still look clueless offensively. He'll probably win the league anyway, he can get them to be solid and the squad is too far ahead of the competition to fail. Today they were without Messi and Suarez got injured, that won't happen very often. He shouldn't have continued after what happened last season though, only reason he stayed was that the dressing room wanted him to stay.