What’s the difference between us and Real right now? Other than the fact that we have 5 other top sides in our league and they have 2?Aside from money, what’s our biggest offering ahead of Barca,Real,City?
People talk on here like if we want him we’ll go out and get him.
They’re in the Champions League; their manager has managed them to multiple CLs; they have Ramos, Verane, Kroos, Modric, Hazard, Bale, Benzema.What’s the difference between us and Real right now?
The combination of location (vs Euro teams) and playing time (vs English teams) is to United's advantage. That's assuming that he wants to play in England, of course. Then it's City with Bernardo/Mahrez and Liverpool with Salah in his position. United will also likely pay more than Arsenal and Spurs.Aside from money, what’s our biggest offering ahead of Barca,Real,City?
People talk on here like if we want him we’ll go out and get him.
They are in the CL by default because of their league. As I’ve said before, if you want ‘guaranteed CL football’, don’t come to the PL at all, as 6 doesn’t go into 4. Also, we are working on the assumption that we will be ‘in the CL’ too for this deal to even be possible anyway.They’re in the Champions League; their manager has managed them to multiple CLs; they have Ramos, Verane, Kroos, Modric, Hazard, Bale, Benzema.
They’re the biggest club in the world; the city they’re based in is cool; they’re the most successful team in Europe.
Aside from that, not much.
Neither Real or Barca are going to drop the kind of money Dortmund will want on a 20 year old Englishman, it's just not going to happen so if we want him and are willing to pay the money then our competition will only come in the form of other PL sides or maybe Bayern (and that's just due to the Bundesliga link)Aside from money, what’s our biggest offering ahead of Barca,Real,City?
People talk on here like if we want him we’ll go out and get him.
Even amongst the English sides, half of the top sides likely wouldn’t pay it either. I could see Liverpool and City being willing/able if he really establishes himself as Europe’s top young player this year, as he could. Spurs wouldn’t go that high, Chelsea would need to spend massively on a centre forward first and foremost, and Arsenal will come with their piggie bank full of sheckles which will be laughed off.Neither Real or Barca are going to drop the kind of money Dortmund will want on a 20 year old Englishman, it's just not going to happen so if we want him and are willing to pay the money then our competition will only come in the form of other PL sides or maybe Bayern (and that's just due to the Bundesliga link)
Not even remotely similar..
Zidane could get sacked and a lot of those players are aging.They’re in the Champions League; their manager has managed them to multiple CLs; they have Ramos, Verane, Kroos, Modric, Hazard, Bale, Benzema.
They’re the biggest club in the world; the city they’re based in is cool; they’re the most successful team in Europe.
Aside from that, not much.
Don't think him being English factors into whether or not they spunk the money on him. Barca have shown to spend big on a single player as have Real Madrid. In the case of Madrid, they spent a lot on Bale.Neither Real or Barca are going to drop the kind of money Dortmund will want on a 20 year old Englishman, it's just not going to happen so if we want him and are willing to pay the money then our competition will only come in the form of other PL sides or maybe Bayern (and that's just due to the Bundesliga link)
Being a fan means nothing. Sterling was a United fan and he went to City. And just because Sancho is good enough for City doesn't mean City can't bench him if he has a slight dip in form. Playing is not a guarantee when you're competing with Sterling, Silva, and Mahrez.It is if we make a bid that's accepted all they have to is make the same bid and it's the players choice .
Iv no idea why people are so convinced he would join United before City or any other club such as Chelsea who he is a fan of
He left City because he wanted to prove he could play regular football at a high level for him to come back in the premiership he would want 2 things a first team place and trophies .
City are the much better option for those two things as we stand right now
At this point I genuinely think our only competition in getting him would be from Chelsea, City have shown with Sanchez, Fred and Maguire that they won't compete with us for a player whereas Chelsea need to spend some serious money now if they have any ambition in being a title contender again. That being said I believe Sancho would pick us over ChelseaEven amongst the English sides, half of the top sides likely wouldn’t pay it either. I could see Liverpool and City being willing/able if he really establishes himself as Europe’s top young player this year, as he could. Spurs wouldn’t go that high, Chelsea would need to spend massively on a centre forward first and foremost, and Arsenal will come with their piggie bank full of sheckles which will be laughed off.
Thing is Chelsea have Pulisic and Hudson-Odoi too, if they sign Sancho one of them’s off.At this point I genuinely think our only competition in getting him would be from Chelsea, City have shown with Sanchez, Fred and Maguire that they won't compete with us for a player whereas Chelsea need to spend some serious money now if they have any ambition in being a title contender again. That being said I believe Sancho would pick us over Chelsea
Only way this transfer doesn't happen imo is if we finish without UCL football again
City can match any bid that comes in for Sancho. Like United could match any bid City make for a player. It's a pretty pointless clause really.It is if we make a bid that's accepted all they have to is make the same bid and it's the players choice .
Iv no idea why people are so convinced he would join United before City or any other club such as Chelsea who he is a fan of
He left City because he wanted to prove he could play regular football at a high level for him to come back in the premiership he would want 2 things a first team place and trophies .
City are the much better option for those two things as we stand right now
There we have the magic words. If they didn't have said clause it would still be - you guessed it - the players choice (granted there is an offer on the table Dortmund are willing to accept). So in each situation you are proposing City would have to convince Sancho to join them which means there is virtually no difference whether they have some kind of matching right or whatever. That is precisely where the huge difference to a buyback clause lies: If they had one of those neither Dortmund nor Sancho could have any say in the matter if City wanted to take him back. As things stand they have the same shot at getting him that everybody else has.It is if we make a bid that's accepted all they have to is make the same bid and it's the players choice .
Iv no idea why people are so convinced he would join United before City or any other club such as Chelsea who he is a fan of
He left City because he wanted to prove he could play regular football at a high level for him to come back in the premiership he would want 2 things a first team place and trophies .
City are the much better option for those two things as we stand right now
First refusal and buy back clauses are not similar at all.They have first refusal which is pretty similar
I doubt Dortmund entertain this officially in January. They will be in a title ‘race’ and probably still in Champions League. He’s their star player. Dortmund sell but they are not quite Ajax.Contact his agent in January and do a Pulisic on it. Loan him back until the summer and pay whatever is needed. He’ll be a star.
even better. Do a Militao. Contact his people and dortmund now. Negotiate. Seal a deal for next summer.Contact his agent in January and do a Pulisic on it. Loan him back until the summer and pay whatever is needed. He’ll be a star.
Not completely pointless though. It has its uses. Sometimes selling clubs ask for more when a certain club bids. This helps in those cases.City can match any bid that comes in for Sancho. Like United could match any bid City make for a player. It's a pretty pointless clause really.
It's not gonna happen like Militao or Pulisic. He's gonna cost at least double of what Pulisic did and more likely there'll be a bidding war. I don't think any club is gonna spend north of 100 million and then loan him back, risking a long term injury.even better. Do a Militao. Contact his people and dortmund now. Negotiate. Seal a deal for next summer.
Why don't you give us a list of the top English players to go play for Barca and Real in the last 10 years.Aside from money, what’s our biggest offering ahead of Barca,Real,City?
People talk on here like if we want him we’ll go out and get him.
Nb. Militao was never loaned back. He was bought out right, with him arriving in the summer when the deal was to be activated. He was simply purchased 6-5 months in advance of the summer window, side stepping any bidding warsIt's not gonna happen like Militao or Pulisic. He's gonna cost at least double of what Pulisic did and more likely there'll be a bidding war. I don't think any club is gonna spend north of 100 million and then loan him back, risking a long term injury.
The best we can hope for is to seal the deal before the Euros( even that carries the risk of long term injury happening in the tournament) but knowing our board it's not likely we can wrap up such a major deal quickly.
Yeah well that's not gonna happen with Sancho. No chance of any club purchasing him before the season is done.Nb. Militao was never loaned back. He was bought out right, with him arriving in the summer when the deal was to be activated. He was simply purchased 6-5 months in advance of the summer window, side stepping any bidding wars
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Why are we getting carried away with this? I would rather see where this season takes us, then decide on who we should and CAN sign.Yeah well that's not gonna happen with Sancho. No chance of any club purchasing him before the season is done.
We've needed a right winger for about 6 years now, don't think anything this season will change that.Why are we getting carried away with this? I would rather see where this season takes us, then decide on who we should and CAN sign.
We sign players on the premise that we will be out of Champions League for one season.. but I fear if we do not get top 4 we wont get these signings.
No chance Sancho even looks at United without Champions League. 1 year is a off year 2 years we can call it a "transformation" but then 3/5 no champions league becomes a trend.
I agree, but Sancho will only come if we get Champions League and before anyone starts saying have I spoken to him etc.. No I haven't but there will be a few clubs in for him.We've needed a right winger for about 6 years now, don't think anything this season will change that.
What have I said that contradicts this? I was simply stating no one will be able to purchase Sancho or agree a deal for him before the season is done.Why are we getting carried away with this? I would rather see where this season takes us, then decide on who we should and CAN sign.
We sign players on the premise that we will be out of Champions League for one season.. but I fear if we do not get top 4 we wont get these signings.
No chance Sancho even looks at United without Champions League. 1 year is a off year 2 years we can call it a "transformation" but then 3/5 no champions league becomes a trend.
Jon Snowkarl.Liverpool and City are sadly much, much more exciting teams to join for any prospect, and we should not be surprised when inevitably Sancho leaves for a team other than our own next summer.
Unless we massively outbid other clubs and give him 500kpw, I very much doubt he will come here unless we win the league or something.
Don't set yourselves up for disappointment lads.
Guys like Ornstein have said that we would be Jadon’s first choice if he was to come back to England.Liverpool and City are sadly much, much more exciting teams to join for any prospect, and we should not be surprised when inevitably Sancho leaves for a team other than our own next summer.
Unless we massively outbid other clubs and give him 500kpw, I very much doubt he will come here unless we win the league or something.
Don't set yourselves up for disappointment lads.
No player ever does that, it’s always just fans jumping to conclusions, just as they concluded Pogba would never return to United.Guys like Ornstein have said that we would be Jadon’s first choice if he was to come back to England.
City may go for him if they sold Sane or even Mahrez for that matter? Another theory is when David Silva retires at the end of the season, they may shift Bernardo Silva in the middle which frees up an opportunity on the right? Phil Foden won’t be happy if that ended up being the case! Then again, they don’t normally like to get themselves involved in a bidding war with other clubs (Sanchez, Jorginho, Fred, Maguire, De Ligt). If Dortmund ask for a lot of money which I’m sure they will, I can’t see City willing to battle ourselves and a number of other clubs to sign him. Then again, has he made it perfectly clear that he wouldn’t go back there, no matter if they made a move for him? He didn’t leave on the best of terms and I’m sure Pep mentioned that when they sold him to Dortmund, he wasn’t up for the challenge to compete for a starting spot. Also he wouldn’t be guaranteed game time at City if he was to go there.
Liverpool will only have a chance of getting him if one of their front 3 leave (Salah, Firminio, Mane). How will they fit all 4 players in?
Agree with a lot of what you're saying, but I think you underestimate the power of United and also who we have at the club "mate" wise with the boy. If, and it's obviously a big if, we have a large-ish contingency of young and leading English players at the club (Maguire, AWB, Rashford etc) AND the club have a clear strategic goal AND we get back into CL - I see no reason why he wouldn't want to come when at City he wouldn't be guaranteed a starting place while at United he's exactly what he knows this club needs to get us to compete again with City.Liverpool and City are sadly much, much more exciting teams to join for any prospect, and we should not be surprised when inevitably Sancho leaves for a team other than our own next summer.
Unless we massively outbid other clubs and give him 500kpw, I very much doubt he will come here unless we win the league or something.
Don't set yourselves up for disappointment lads.
Liverpool and City are sadly much, much more exciting teams to join for any prospect, and we should not be surprised when inevitably Sancho leaves for a team other than our own next summer.
Unless we massively outbid other clubs and give him 500kpw, I very much doubt he will come here unless we win the league or something.
Don't set yourselves up for disappointment lads.
They've also got a settled first team with 2 fantastic wide players already. Who's going to drop out of those teams?Liverpool and City are sadly much, much more exciting teams to join for any prospect, and we should not be surprised when inevitably Sancho leaves for a team other than our own next summer.
Unless we massively outbid other clubs and give him 500kpw, I very much doubt he will come here unless we win the league or something.
Don't set yourselves up for disappointment lads.
He won't join Liverpool. Isn't he a manchester lad ? They also have Salah there.They've also got a settled first team with 2 fantastic wide players already. Who's going to drop out of those teams?
Sancho also fell out with City/Guardiola and is supposed to have a very poor relationship, so that could leave just Liverpool. Will they splash out 150m? unless they sell Salah I can't see it happening.
Well he lived in London before he went to the City academy.He won't join Liverpool. Isn't he a manchester lad ? They also have Salah there.
City is a very likely destination though. Sane or Mahrez will leave and Pep could also leave in couple of years and he could rejoin them.
True. We need to get our shit together and put everything on this basket next year.Well he lived in London before he went to the City academy.
I think people are discounting Chelsea too. They're going to want to spend the Hazard money, and he was a boyhood Chelsea fan.
He and Hodson Odoi could be their first team wingers for ages.
Agreed. Chelsea would be our biggest rivals for him IMO. Reminds of us going for Hazard. That tipped the scales for what 9 years? This would be similar IMO. It depends on who gets Top 4 probably but it would be interesting if neither of us got top 4 (which is what I think is going to happen).Well he lived in London before he went to the City academy.
I think people are discounting Chelsea too. They're going to want to spend the Hazard money, and he was a boyhood Chelsea fan.
He and Hodson Odoi could be their first team wingers for ages.
Have you never heard him speak? Hes as London as they come being born in Camberwell. He was only at City for 2 years, 7 years at Watford.He won't join Liverpool. Isn't he a manchester lad ? They also have Salah there.
City is a very likely destination though. Sane or Mahrez will leave and Pep could also leave in couple of years and he could rejoin them.
Don't think they spent £50m on Pulisic for nothing.Well he lived in London before he went to the City academy.
I think people are discounting Chelsea too. They're going to want to spend the Hazard money, and he was a boyhood Chelsea fan.
He and Hodson Odoi could be their first team wingers for ages.
If he u-turned on joining us due to the lack of UCL football this season why would he join Chelsea as I assume they'll be without it as well next season?Well he lived in London before he went to the City academy.
I think people are discounting Chelsea too. They're going to want to spend the Hazard money, and he was a boyhood Chelsea fan.
He and Hodson Odoi could be their first team wingers for ages.
