Film Star Wars Episode IX The Rise of Skywalker [Theories]

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Its amazing that someone with these credits is still well......getting any work. Which is basically the one consistent theme of the new star wars movies(And really any giant franchise) - poor to average writers/directors getting huge movie deals.


And this won best film editing


In fairness there is a chance he had very little to do with the DC movies(Considering just how much of a shit show they are.)
BvS was good.
 

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So we know Palpatine is back, but how?
Also, the title of the movie references "Skywalker", but which Skywalker is it referring to?

I have a feeling the fan backlash from the last episode brings Luke Skywalker back from the dead to battle his old nemesis - Palpatine also back from the dead. Not sure how they'd pull this off with any credibility though.

What do you reckon?
Umm, spoilers? When was Palpatine back?
 

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I would imagine palatine and luke have some kind of force ghost battle, but luke calls upon the aid of anakin and obiwan.

Whilst Rey continues to help Kylo turn good. (I would love to see rey go bad mind. Maybe it's palpatines daughter just like a ani?)

Finn and the rest will probably do nothing of note.

As we all know the teaching of the jedi and the sith code are so dated. (qui gon the best jedi ever realised this long ago)
Kylo, Rey and luke have now all realised this and create a new religion called the 'skywalker'. Hence the movie title.

I mentioned the grey jedi plot in episode 7 tread when it was realised. I'd be very surprised if it doesn't go this route.

From a story progression point of view, Last jedi was truly awful. JJ has a lot of work to get people back on board. I personally think it will be epic.
 
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We gonna get a timeline here?
Nah. Just hope they don't row back on everything The Last Jedi did. If Rey's suddenly a Skywalker, if Snoake was actually important all along, it'd be pretty fecking cowardly and a sign that fandoms are out of control.
 

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Nah. Just hope they don't row back on everything The Last Jedi did. If Rey's suddenly a Skywalker, if Snoake was actually important all along, it'd be pretty fecking cowardly and a sign that fandoms are out of control.
It’s a sign that maybe they should’ve planned this whole trilogy out beforehand, instead of just giving 3 separate writers one film after another.

We’re 2 films in and we don’t really know anything.
 

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Its amazing that someone with these credits is still well......getting any work. Which is basically the one consistent theme of the new star wars movies(And really any giant franchise) - poor to average writers/directors getting huge movie deals.


And this won best film editing


In fairness there is a chance he had very little to do with the DC movies(Considering just how much of a shit show they are.)
Still can't believe that's an actual scene of a film released to the cinema.
 

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BvS was good.
Maybe palpatine, Finn and Rey will be in a battle to the death, then they realise that Finn and palpatine's mothers had the same name and bond over it, thus bringing balance to the force and peace to the universe. the end.
 

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It’s a sign that maybe they should’ve planned this whole trilogy out beforehand, instead of just giving 3 separate writers one film after another.

We’re 2 films in and we don’t really know anything.
Or just let creators do what they want to do and if it doesn't work out then we move on with our lives. :)
 

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Or just let creators do what they want to do and if it doesn't work out then we move on with our lives. :)
I fully intend to. But I can certainly spare a few moments every 2 years to laugh at how shit Star Wars is.
 

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I fully intend to. But I can certainly spare a few moments every 2 years to laugh at how shit Star Wars is.
It's been a mixed bag from the beginning really. You either buy in to the whole thing or you don't. Simple.

I love the original trilogy (even if Return isn't great), think the prequels get a bad rep (aside from Clones which is genuinely awful), and have really liked the sequel trilogy. Thought TLJ was really special. Awaiting the final installment, so.
 

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It's been a mixed bag from the beginning really. You either buy in to the whole thing or you don't. Simple.

I love the original trilogy (even if Return isn't great), think the prequels get a bad rep (aside from Clones which is genuinely awful), and have really liked the sequel trilogy. Thought TLJ was really special. Awaiting the final installment, so.
Literally thought it was one of the worst things I have seen and has left me zero plot lines or hooks for me to be excited about the finale. I am glad some people liked it though
 

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Maybe palpatine, Finn and Rey will be in a battle to the death, then they realise that Finn and palpatine's mothers had the same name and bond over it, thus bringing balance to the force and peace to the universe. the end.
:lol:

To be fair this is literally all I remember about bvs
 

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It's been a mixed bag from the beginning really. You either buy in to the whole thing or you don't. Simple.

I love the original trilogy (even if Return isn't great), think the prequels get a bad rep (aside from Clones which is genuinely awful), and have really liked the sequel trilogy. Thought TLJ was really special. Awaiting the final installment, so.
Original trilogy is obviously good, prequels are bad but in a good way if that makes sense. Revenge is decent but boring, the rest is just boring. Clones as you say is awful. I think the new films, with the exception of solo, are on a similar level. Last Jedi is the worst of the lot imo.
 

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I was wondering how long this thread would last before someone declares TLJ worse than the prequels.

I can't wait for EP 9. I don't think Kylo Ren will turn good at the end. I think he will still be alive and disappear into the Unknown Regions so they can bring him back when they make EP 10 in 10 years time.

I reckon JJ was stung by the 'remake' criticism aimed at TFA and won't want to copy Jedi.
 

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Nah. Just hope they don't row back on everything The Last Jedi did. If Rey's suddenly a Skywalker, if Snoake was actually important all along, it'd be pretty fecking cowardly and a sign that fandoms are out of control.
Or it's a sign that you've horribly mismanaged one of the biggest properties in all of entertainment and somehow lost money with a Star Wars film. So you need to maybe give the people that will go and see the film 3 or 4 times, buy the books, buy the toys and keep the damn thing alive what they want because you seem to be losing everyone else anyway?

Although it's too late for that now anyway, they killed off Han, gimped Luke and Carrie Fisher is dead so they can't even put them together one last time. The first time in decades you have them all in one Star Wars film and you don't put them on screen together then kill one of them off, what's the goal there? If they had created decent characters to replace them the blow wouldn't be so bad for them, but they didn't even manage that.
 

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Or it's a sign that you've horribly mismanaged one of the biggest properties in all of entertainment and somehow lost money with a Star Wars film. So you need to maybe give the people that will go and see the film 3 or 4 times, buy the books, buy the toys and keep the damn thing alive what they want because you seem to be losing everyone else anyway?

Although it's too late for that now anyway, they killed off Han, gimped Luke and Carrie Fisher is dead so they can't even put them together one last time. The first time in decades you have them all in one Star Wars film and you don't put them on screen together then kill one of them off, what's the goal there? If they had created decent characters to replace them the blow wouldn't be so bad for them, but they didn't even manage that.
Yes they can. I don't follow spoilers but I bet they will as well. They were filmed together for TFA.

And they won't row one thing back from TLJ. Every movie, bar solo, has been a success with critics and at the box office. That's reality. Angry nerds on Youtube won't change shit.
 
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Kylo Ren is technically a Skywalker (Ben Skywalker) too being Anakin's grandson, right?

Palpatine didn't really die and was the part of Snoke's consciousness and now set free. Luke also didn't die and his good force results in Kylo turning good and joining Rey.

Rey and Kylo defeat Palpatine (or whatever form he's in this movie) and Leia dies a happy death naming Kylo "a true skywalker", voila the movie name.
 

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Yes they can. I don't follow spoilers but I bet they will as well. They were filmed together for TFA.

And they won't row one thing back from TLJ. Every movie, bar solo, has been a success with critics and at the box office. That's reality. Angry nerds on Youtube won't change shit.
How? Time travel? Flashbacks? Force ghosts? That negates how Force ghosts work and none of those are good ideas. Why film it then to use it two films later when they hadn't even got a plan for the next film?

Well it was TLJ the angry nerds on Youtube reacted badly to and then Solo loses them money. It wasn't only angry nerds on Youtube either, that's the same kind of argument they pulled when subjected to criticism "it's white males that can't handle a female lead" or "it's trolls" or "it's Russians". TLJ disappointed a lot of people.
 

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Probably. In the trailer we hear and read, "the saga comes to an end", "no one's ever really gone". So technically they could bring everyone back. Lando's back, and I heard that Ewan McGregor will be reprising his role as ObiWan. Even Porkins is back (I'm kidding).
I don't care about any of them, if they're going to bring someone back it has to be Admiral Ahkbar. They did AA real dirty.

If not then we riot.
 

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Maybe palpatine, Finn and Rey will be in a battle to the death, then they realise that Finn and palpatine's mothers had the same name and bond over it, thus bringing balance to the force and peace to the universe. the end.
How did anyone think this would be a good story. BvS (and tbh, the DC universe entirely) is just unwatchable.
 

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Anyway, this film will be trash, but I suspect it'll be 4th or 5th highest grossing film ever, because morons like me will still go and watch it even though we know it'll be shite.
 

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How? Time travel? Flashbacks? Force ghosts? That negates how Force ghosts work and none of those are good ideas. Why film it then to use it two films later when they hadn't even got a plan for the next film?

Well it was TLJ the angry nerds on Youtube reacted badly to and then Solo loses them money. It wasn't only angry nerds on Youtube either, that's the same kind of argument they pulled when subjected to criticism "it's white males that can't handle a female lead" or "it's trolls" or "it's Russians". TLJ disappointed a lot of people.
Flashblack scene. And I bet if such a scene exists half the audience will hate it, and cry 'fanservice' and that's it's 'cheap'. In some ways you can't win with this fan base. Alway mad about something.

TLJ was divisive among the fandom. However, people tend to use hyperbole when discussing Star Wars online. It makes the online discourse surrounding it tedious to say the least. The franchasie has been 'dead' about 5 times since 1999. The fact is, after a 3 year break, they're going to keep producing these movies every 2 years. Some will be good and some won't.
 

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The title of the episode is baffling. TLJ stated that Rey's parents were filthy junk raiders, ergo the Force had randomly chosen her to face the evil rise of Sidious' Sith Spirit (yes, his spirit lives on and was pulling the strings all these years after ROTJ) and Ben Solo's turn to darkness.

Then, what Skywalker ia going to rise-triumph? A redeemed Ben Solo Skywalker? Rey? Is she a Skywalker then? Or do they mean the spirits of Anakin-Luke?

IX might be the most esoteric SW episode yet.
 

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How? Time travel? Flashbacks? Force ghosts? That negates how Force ghosts work and none of those are good ideas. Why film it then to use it two films later when they hadn't even got a plan for the next film?

Well it was TLJ the angry nerds on Youtube reacted badly to and then Solo loses them money. It wasn't only angry nerds on Youtube either, that's the same kind of argument they pulled when subjected to criticism "it's white males that can't handle a female lead" or "it's trolls" or "it's Russians". TLJ disappointed a lot of people.
Flashblack scene. Again, I don't know for sure if it exists, but plenty of movies have cut scenes. It was meant to be when Kylo was dropped off at Luke's academy.

This being Star Wars, even if such a scene exists, rest assured, half the audience will hate it, and cry 'fanservice' and that's it's 'cheap'. In some ways you can't win with this fan base. Always mad about something.

TLJ was divisive among the fandom. However, people tend to use hyperbole when discussing Star Wars online. It makes the online discourse surrounding it tedious to say the least. The franchasie has been 'dead' about 5 times since 1999. The fact is, after a 3 year break, they're going to keep producing these movies every 2 years. Some will be good and some won't.
 
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The title of the episode is baffling. TLJ stated that Rey's parents were filthy junk raiders, ergo the Force had randomly chosen her to face the evil rise of Sidious' Sith Spirit (yes, his spirit lives on and was pulling the strings all these years after ROTJ) and Ben Solo's turn to darkness.

Then, what Skywalker ia going to rise-triumph? A redeemed Ben Solo Skywalker? Rey? Is she a Skywalker then? Or do they mean the spirits of Anakin-Luke?

IX might be the most esoteric SW episode yet.
Inspired by Luke, I think 'Skywalker' will be the new name given to lightside force users. It will replace Jedi.
 

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I was wondering how long this thread would last before someone declares TLJ worse than the prequels.

I can't wait for EP 9. I don't think Kylo Ren will turn good at the end. I think he will still be alive and disappear into the Unknown Regions so they can bring him back when they make EP 10 in 10 years time.

I reckon JJ was stung by the 'remake' criticism aimed at TFA and won't want to copy Jedi.
He'll just 'copy' something else in that case, Pound-Shop Speilberg hack that he is :)
 

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Anyway, this film will be trash, but I suspect it'll be 4th or 5th highest grossing film ever, because morons like me will still go and watch it even though we know it'll be shite.
Wouldn't be totally shocked if it doesn't break 1bn, would be shocked if it grosses more than Last Jedi.
 

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Or it's a sign that you've horribly mismanaged one of the biggest properties in all of entertainment and somehow lost money with a Star Wars film. So you need to maybe give the people that will go and see the film 3 or 4 times, buy the books, buy the toys and keep the damn thing alive what they want because you seem to be losing everyone else anyway?

Although it's too late for that now anyway, they killed off Han, gimped Luke and Carrie Fisher is dead so they can't even put them together one last time. The first time in decades you have them all in one Star Wars film and you don't put them on screen together then kill one of them off, what's the goal there? If they had created decent characters to replace them the blow wouldn't be so bad for them, but they didn't even manage that.
Yeah, this is kinda what I mean. You're making it sound like the sequel trilogy sucks because it made choices that you didn't want it to.

The Last Jedi made £1.3bn worldwide, and they'll make more than £1bn with the next one. I doubt that's them losing money.
 

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Kylo Ren is technically a Skywalker (Ben Skywalker) too being Anakin's grandson, right?

Palpatine didn't really die and was the part of Snoke's consciousness and now set free. Luke also didn't die and his good force results in Kylo turning good and joining Rey.

Rey and Kylo defeat Palpatine (or whatever form he's in this movie) and Leia dies a happy death naming Kylo "a true skywalker", voila the movie name.
You could be on to something there:

His father: Han Solo
His mother: Leia Skywalker

Solo Skywalker: Last Skywalker

Allowing his character to redeem himself by rising up against an evil tyranny he was once part of.
 

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He'll just 'copy' something else in that case, Pound-Shop Speilberg hack that he is :)
He's no Rian Johnson, but he's pretty talented. I wish a new director was doing 9, but he's a hell of a lot better choice than Colin Trevorrow.
 

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I actually think it'll happen. And like always, it comes down to execution.
My idea of "rise of skywalker" is a redeemed Ben Solo fighting the Sith Spirit of Sidious with the help of the Force Ghosts of Luke-Anakin. The three generations of Skywalkers finally defeating, together, the all-powerful evil individual who ruined their lives and the Galaxy. And of course Ben doesn't survive the ordeal, but at least redeems himself. I'm most likely wrong.