If it is generally happening.... Then that must include United?
Pep - Doping (?) | Are PEDs being used by footballers
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Read about the case. He was cleared on a technicality. WADA gave evidence at the trial that the chances of his test actually being a false positive were between 1 in 1000 and 1 in 10000.
He went to great lengths and expense to remove the stain on his character.
He did so in court. Not guilty.
Here's a good right up on it
http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2017/04/25/sharapova-guardiola-doping-darkness-and-light-250401/
I don't think you can look at the evidence and really believe that his failed tests were not legit.
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EPO is probably quite common. Short half-life and difficult to even test for. Helps cardio and stamina without adding muscle mass. Perfect football-PED.
When a case goes to court I am inclined to believe the verdict.
I am not aware what the burden of proof is in an Italian court but whatever the criteria is he met it and was cleared of all charges.
Both positive tests were weeks apart from his time at Brescia. It wasn't as if he got caught at different stages in his career. He was cleared of the charges too so on paper he's done absolutely nothing wrong
Paranoia! Ha! Your manager (who has previously failed doping tests) just called a press conference saying a player could fail a drug test so didn't make the squad.
Müller-Wohlfahrt has been in the focus of doping investigations himself. Great character witness. Usain Bolt dedicated one of his gold medals to him, surely for his expert application of bandaid.
I take it you haven't even read the article?
He was cleared on a technicality
Guardiola was cleared by the Brescia Court of Appeals. This was not because his samples were deemed “unstable” but because it could have been possible that his four samples had been “unstable”. Guardiola was absolved of all blame because of “the impossibility to now perform stability tests on the samples taken” in 2001.
Then-WADA Director General David Howman stood by the efficacy of previous testing for nandrolone and said the chances of urine becoming unstable were “very rare”. The chances were between 1 out of 1,000 and 1 out of 10,000 positive tests for nandrolone.
He gave 4 positive samples.
That before you factor in that Frank De Boer who was with the same doctor tested positive for the same substance around the same time.
Add to that the numerous other players in Italy that tested positive for the same drug around that time.
I just can't see how you can read the facts of the case and think that he was innocent.
Then Pep strangely decides to take the same doctor with him to Barcelona. After he and De Boer had tested positive for steroids under his care, why on earth would you do that?
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I'd be hugely surprised if it's not commonplace in football sadly. Some of the statistics you see through the PL season are mind-boggling if you think about the consistency with which they're taking place regarding high intensity sprints, distance covered and diminishing (not increasing) injuries.
What I always found odd was the idea that we as fans have accepted that there's a hug gap in fitness between some teams and others when, realistically, it's far more likely that all PL teams would be extremely close together if measured purely for fitness given how advanced sports science is and how much money is in the PL. You can argue that facilities make a difference but to what point - all PL teams will have world class gyms, nutritionists, trainers and all the paraphernalia that comes with it. I'm sure Carrington has more saunas and masseuses than the Colney Training Centre (Norwich FYI) but you only need to look at Brighton's new setup to see how every team is now 'state-of-the-art' if there is a difference it will be minuscule.
Of course it would be a disaster if this came out but I just see it as an arms race now - I'm certain Pep is up to his eyeballs with PEDs, Klopp and Poch for sure and now Ole is starting to look at this style of constant pressing, very high intensity football I guess we'll be looking for every edge we can find. It's well documented how difficult it is to test for and there's so much money in football, finding every advantage possible is literally worth millions of pounds that it would be weird if it was not rife.
What I always found odd was the idea that we as fans have accepted that there's a hug gap in fitness between some teams and others when, realistically, it's far more likely that all PL teams would be extremely close together if measured purely for fitness given how advanced sports science is and how much money is in the PL. You can argue that facilities make a difference but to what point - all PL teams will have world class gyms, nutritionists, trainers and all the paraphernalia that comes with it. I'm sure Carrington has more saunas and masseuses than the Colney Training Centre (Norwich FYI) but you only need to look at Brighton's new setup to see how every team is now 'state-of-the-art' if there is a difference it will be minuscule.
Of course it would be a disaster if this came out but I just see it as an arms race now - I'm certain Pep is up to his eyeballs with PEDs, Klopp and Poch for sure and now Ole is starting to look at this style of constant pressing, very high intensity football I guess we'll be looking for every edge we can find. It's well documented how difficult it is to test for and there's so much money in football, finding every advantage possible is literally worth millions of pounds that it would be weird if it was not rife.
Oh that’s right, mention United as all City fans do and can’t hold a conversation without mentioning the 20 times Champions. City received a written warning from the FA in 2017 for players missing drugs tests THREE TIMES IN FIVE WEEKS. In 2003, Rio Ferdinand missed at drugs test and got an eight month ban. City get a written warning and £35,000 fine, as if that hurts. Rio passed a test 24 hours later. Christian Negouai was fined £2000 for missing a drugs test on the same day as Rio. Who did he play for? Why Manchester City no less. Stuck in traffic after picking his Mum up from the airport he said. How many City academy players have ended up in Jail for drugs? As far as I know, no United player has been banned for taking drugs. Jones was banned for abusive language to testing officials but was clean. Smoke and fire!
What an idiotic post, our manager was cleared of said drug test and you think a manager who is openly supplying his players with drugs would say in a press conference (Sorry we couldn't play him as he's mid cycle).
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No City player missed a drug test ala Rio for what its worth. City failed to inform the FA of changes to training times so failed on the player location rule. it was nothing to do with missing drug tests hence the 35k fine in comparison to Rios ban.
Bournemouth were given the exact same fine for exactly the same issue funnily enough but it never gets mentioned here... drugs must only work for us.
As for the bolded bit Gabriel Jesus wept...
You're right, I didn't read the article. I've read some stuff about it a few years ago in Graham Hunter's biography "Pep".
I have no experience in the world of PED's and no real interest in acquiring it. I do, however, have this quaint belief that a man is presumed innocent until proven guilty by the ultimate arbitors.
I do understand that there is a great deal of mitigation in the case but the final reckoning was not guilty.
Good night.
It’s so obvious Pep does some fishy shit with performance enhancers on his players
...this dude would make Matic miraculously cover the most distance on the pitch
...this dude would make Matic miraculously cover the most distance on the pitch
What a naive post. Quick edit though.
Don't forget your club under Guardiola failed to comply with anti doping rules 3 times in 5 months. Then received a £35k fine. Not to mention the financial revelations which reveal your club has no problem breaking rules and then trying to cover it up.
But yeah, perfectly normal. Nothing to see.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...all-news/man-city-doping-news-drugs-13586051?
Well, he was found guilty and the verdict twice upheld before cleared on his third appeal on a technicality. The chances of him actually being clean were absolutely minuscule Thats before you factor in that De Boer also tested positive for the same drug whilst working with the same doctor at the same time. The chances of them both having 4 unstable urine samples each must be long enough to reach the moon.
Eh... do you think we got a 35k fine because our whole team was roioded to the max like an army of Dorian Yates? We got it because we failed to inform the FA of updated training schedules, so they had the wrong info with regard to player whereabouts. No one from City missed a drug test since Negoui the same day as Rio ironically.What a naive post. Quick edit though.
Don't forget your club under Guardiola failed to comply with anti doping rules 3 times in 5 months. Then received a £35k fine. Not to mention the financial revelations which reveal your club has no problem breaking rules and then trying to cover it up.
But yeah, perfectly normal. Nothing to see.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...all-news/man-city-doping-news-drugs-13586051?
Was a quick edit indeed because I was a bit too harsh mate.
As I said B'Mouth failed and were done for the exact same issue as City yet not a word... Maybe they are on worse imaginary peds than we are.
Have you watched us recently? Hahahahaha
He was most likely doped to the eyeballs as was half of Italian football back then. I remember thinking the same of Veron funny enough who went from being a whippet to huge in just over a year in Italy. But Pep was proven innocent so technically he's no more guilty than any other footballer.
Woodward bought the wrong dope.
He wasn’t proven innocent. He was cleared on a technicality, it’s quite different. I’m not sure how you can read the details of the case and believe that he was innocent.
http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2017/04/25/sharapova-guardiola-doping-darkness-and-light-250401/
Read it. It’s interesting, especially how it he took his doctor to Barca with him and insisted the players use his methods. I’ve never been able to find if the same doctor is at City or employed by them in some way. His Barca side were also done for not being available for testing the same as at City. Thiago Alcantara was also done for the same thing while they were at Bayern together.
Now you have him saying he dropped a player because he thought he might fail a dope test. It’s quite remarkable really. I don’t think I’ve heard such a excuse before. You might ask why he’d admit it. To control the narrative perhaps? It would be a lot worse if the testers turned up at Eastlands yesterday to carry out their random tests and pulled Mahrez up dirty, it would be a PR disaster for City. There’s no way that Mahrez could disappear for a day and duck the testers because City have already been done for whereabouts breaches in the recent past.
We've never looked like it. I wouldn't back us to be ahead of the curve in terms of anything non commercial.
Not due to any evidence other than Guardiola saying he didn't do it. He tested positive for Nandrolone, said he didn't do anything and somehow got let off.
Some how probably being a bung in someones back pocket
If United have been using peds I’d haul the club doctors in to check their qualifications are real. Because judging by performance over the last few years somebody has been giving them saline
Man, this thread reminds me of that time when there was a laughable conspiracy going around that Ricky ponting/Australians were using springs inside their bat handles or something like that. Man City are that good because Pep is the best coach on the planet who has coached his already talented players to play at insane/never before seen levels in the PL. It is as simple as that.
It is a shame that he has been a huge thorn in our side since 2009. I respect him, but I fecking hate that cnut. At the rate City are going, I would be surprised if they didn't get to 21 before we did.
And mods, please close this thread. It is embarrassing.
It is a shame that he has been a huge thorn in our side since 2009. I respect him, but I fecking hate that cnut. At the rate City are going, I would be surprised if they didn't get to 21 before we did.
And mods, please close this thread. It is embarrassing.
Is this thread embarrassing because no professional athlete has ever tested positive for performance enhancing drugs? Unlike your springs-in-bats example, there are numerous ways to enhance performance that exist and have been used in virtually every sport there is, football included. To pretend that it is a laughable notion is naive and ignorant of the numerous examples that have been exposed over the years. People used to think it was laughable that Lance Armstrong would ever cheat, and we all know how that turned out.
I'm not accusing Pep of doping because there is currenty no evidence to make that assertion. But if doping really is an issue in football (which it may well be) then pretending it doesnt exist based on nothing but blind faith isnt going to fix the problem. The cheaters will actually get away with it, and faulty arguments like yours will be the reason they maintain their unfair advantage over the competition.
Sports will a lot less money involved have had several doping scandals. There is doping in football, I have no doubt about it. It's just a matter of wanting to expose it or not.
Is it though? I mean they do have the best squad in the league, but many times they seem to run out of ideas. Look at them against Spurs, they relied heavily on KDB and driving crosses into the box, had 30+ shots, and dropped points. Kinda feels like Mourinho's first season here, we played some exciting stuff at times but failed to break down the opposition. The big difference is that they are able to sustain that level of pressure throughout the entire match. So I think it's a very valid topic rather than just some random conspiracy 'cuz theyre too good'.
Not to mention that pep actually failed a drugs test, so the idea that its laughable to suggest there are drugs in football is basically null and void and embarrassingly ignorant.
Not saying i think they are cheating.
Not saying i think they are cheating.
I don't think they're doping but I want to know what their fitness coach does that other teams' don't. They're comfortably the fittest team in the league and how they maintain the dame tempo through out the game if they have to, I don't know.
Their fitness team aren't doing anything others aren't, they're all at the cutting edge of fitness training. Pep obviously puts a lot of emphasis on fitness and probably requires a high level of fitness to be eligible for first team selection. When you have that kind of culture within your club you will always have people striving to be the best in order to guarantee themselves first team football.
However, the amount of high intensity running City do over a sustained period of time is suspect. I've stated before that Cardarine would be my best guess. It can improve your high intensity output by 5% after a few days, and that is massive for pro athlete's.
I remember when Rio Ferdinand got a lengthy ban, Arsene Wenger made a comment that in all the years that he'd been at Arsenal, they had only had one unannounced testing.
Football is a multi-million pound business, there are incredible riches and fame to be had, for anyone to believe that doping isn't happening seems incredibly naive.
Wouldn't shock me if its absolutely rampant throughout the game.
You've only got to look at baseball in America to see what happens when a full-scale investigation into doping does to the sport. There's no way they would do that to football and I wouldn't be surprised if the testing committee's made it pretty easy to circumvent their tests.
Haha those extra 2 CL's just wouldn't feel right tbh, even If Barca did cheat!Strip Barca of their titles won under Pep, ban City from football for 5 years.
Also, Congrats guys we are 5 time UCL winners
absolutely crazy. first doping, now a conspiracy with var... but var costed them the win versus spurs there.
has it ever occurred to you that he might spending more hours during the week keeping his team fit. if any player is not tip-top fit then they don't play. i mean look at lukaku after he joined united he became massively overweight. united looked like the least fit team in the league.
has it ever occurred to you that he might spending more hours during the week keeping his team fit. if any player is not tip-top fit then they don't play. i mean look at lukaku after he joined united he became massively overweight. united looked like the least fit team in the league.
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Müller-Wolfahrt is a controversial figure; Many other doctors don't like his wonder healer image in combination with his public exposition as doctor for the DfB, the FCB and numerous celeb private customers (not all from sport).
He *was* under investigation for the use of actovegin, which is a banned substance if injected into the blood circulation. Wolfahrts therapy includes applying it intramuscular which, according to research, has no effect at all, not healing, but also not perfomance enhancing. He was cleared on all fronts.
I've seen Bolts jersey at the orthopedists shop where MW sends his patients to, so if he did something illegal with Bolt, it included getting shoes fitted.