I think if you were to rate lingard by starting priority out of the squad he'd probably be somewhere between 11 and 14 in that he's always on the fringe of our best side without ever having it nailed down. Having said that I can imagine Lingard and Dan James combining very well in a pressing set up.
Andreas Pereira vs Jesse Lingard
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Our young prospects are getting older and older.
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Create a poll dude
Pereira is a bit strange, considering that I think that he has everything to be a top player. Good technique, great crossing and dead-ball delivery, a good shot on him and is very hardworking. However, the game seems to get passed by him and he doesn't influence the game that much. In fact, at times you might forget that he is playing in the first place.
Lingard is currently the better player, but in an ideal world, neither of them should be starting for us.
Lingard is currently the better player, but in an ideal world, neither of them should be starting for us.
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Ground breaking stuff.Our young prospects are getting older and older.
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IMO, Perreira is the backup player to Lingard. Until we get better players to replace them both.
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Easily Lingard.
Well we are comparing 2 attacking players in similar positions so the PA% is very relevant plus I did mention the risk factor in the OP anyway - fact is that Pereira's only got a 50% accuracy on his riskier plays and that isnt enough especially when he is having the least touches of any player in the teamAttacking players having low pass accuracy isn’t always a bad thing, a lot of the time they’re trying to make things happen and play more risky passes. This is where stats fall on their arse when you don’t understand why things happen in a game. Same goes with losing the ball.
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None of them have the creativity and skill to play at number 10. Both of them can be easily upgraded if we wanted.
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Sums up our decline tbh. 10 years ago it would be Ronaldo v Rooney, Berbatov v Tevez, Rio v Vidic threads
Not really - Berba vs Tevez perhaps but the others were all starters and not competing with each other at allSums up our decline tbh. 10 years ago it would be Ronaldo v Rooney, Berbatov v Tevez, Rio v Vidic threads
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As both are known to be average players (albeit one is 3 years younger), the question should be, what this team need more: Lingard or Pereira?
Against big teams, it's Lingard with his superior movement and ball retention. But against smaller teams with parking bus tactic, it's obviously Pereira with better ball quality.
Against big teams, it's Lingard with his superior movement and ball retention. But against smaller teams with parking bus tactic, it's obviously Pereira with better ball quality.
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All Pereira has is his dead balls and the fact that he has energy to press.
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Great thread to be quoting. Gibson vs Anderson seems like a much, much more fair comparison than the likes of Rooney vs Ronaldo, or Berba vs Tevez...
I think that Pereira is a great utility player to have in our squad. I fully expect him to be involved in 30+ matches this season. I also think that he is still young enough to benefit from first team development in the EPL. Lingard on the other hand, has absolutely overstayed his welcome at Manchester United in my opinion. His career seems to have been propped up on a handful of big goals and a few purple patches to fend off any naysayers. Never once has he really looked like he deserves the amount of minutes he gets. Although, by the end of this season the same will perhaps be said of Andreas. I think Lingard seems like a nice enough lad on a personal level, but more than any other player (maybe between him and Pogba) he personifies the poor image of this club.
So ultimately I would take Pereira over Lingard in the squad.
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Both better than Pereira
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Pereira is much better than people are giving him credit for in this thread. He's a #10 that has never had a chance to show what he can do, but when we finally give him a game there - in which he ran more than anyone and created a terrific goal - all people can do is bitch and moan. He is not a winger - he doesn't have the pace - so anyone suggesting he is better out there rather than in the middle has to be smoking something. I mean seriously, putting one of your most penetrating passers out on the edge of the field seems like an odd use of talent. Against Chelsea he got separated from play a few times because he was pressing the damn goalkeeper while Pogba and McTominay were huffing and puffing back on the half way line. If our pressing system was better organised, Andreas would be much more productive. To my eyes he is improving every game. Let's give the guy a chance, especially when he actually produced!
As for Jesse, I like him a lot (again, he is much better than people here think - it is so weird that multiple world-class managers don't agree with certain RedCafe muppets, who are experts, of course), but he doesn't have the vision to be a solution at #10. Andreas just might. Maybe.
As for Jesse, I like him a lot (again, he is much better than people here think - it is so weird that multiple world-class managers don't agree with certain RedCafe muppets, who are experts, of course), but he doesn't have the vision to be a solution at #10. Andreas just might. Maybe.
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Agreed. Andreas needs a consistent run of games at #10. He could be more or less what we've been looking for at that position.Pereira is much better than people are giving him credit for in this thread. He's a #10 that has never had a chance to show what he can do, but when we finally give him a game there - in which he ran more than anyone and created a terrific goal - all people can do is bitch and moan. He is not a winger - he doesn't have the pace - so anyone suggesting he is better out there rather than in the middle has to be smoking something. I mean seriously, putting one of your most penetrating passers out on the edge of the field seems like an odd use of talent. Against Chelsea he got separated from play a few times because he was pressing the damn goalkeeper while Pogba and McTominay were huffing and puffing back on the half way line. If our pressing system was better organised, Andreas would be much more productive. To my eyes he is improving every game. Let's give the guy a chance, especially when he actually produced!
As for Jesse, I like him a lot (again, he is much better than people here think - it is so weird that multiple world-class managers don't agree with certain RedCafe muppets, who are experts, of course), but he doesn't have the vision to be a solution at #10. Andreas just might. Maybe.
Both are at similar level and we are not losing much on either of these as they are academy products (only low point is 100K wages for Lingard he couldn't get that anywhere else)
At their best they both can be just squad players hence we need top class starters in their positions(RW/CM) so these 2 can be backup.
Jones on 120K, Young on 120K, Lingard on 100K, I really think we are so inept when it comes to contract extension negotiations.
At their best they both can be just squad players hence we need top class starters in their positions(RW/CM) so these 2 can be backup.
Jones on 120K, Young on 120K, Lingard on 100K, I really think we are so inept when it comes to contract extension negotiations.
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Both offer little. I'm still scratching my head how against Chelsea both these guys werent even in the camera frame every time AWB was getting triple teamed high up the pitch. A right sided CM and a right sided attacker. Were they running away? Well Pereira got an assist but they need to contribute more in build ups
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I'm just afraid that playing the 2 of them makes us too vulnerable defensively.
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Both crap but I'd pick Lingard ahead of Pereira.
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Exactly we were too open against Chelsea, better teams will punish us if we play that midfield.I'm just afraid that playing the 2 of them makes us too vulnerable defensively.
Pereira seemed far more effective 2nd half against Chelsea when he went wide and conversely Lingard seems more comfortable in central areas (although I do agree that he doesnt quite have the vision to be a top #10) - of course he is not a winger but played wide midfield on both loans in La Liga and he has a good cross so his best position is still not clear at all, which is one of the main issues for him (and also Lingard in fact)Pereira is much better than people are giving him credit for in this thread. He's a #10 that has never had a chance to show what he can do, but when we finally give him a game there - in which he ran more than anyone and created a terrific goal - all people can do is bitch and moan. He is not a winger - he doesn't have the pace - so anyone suggesting he is better out there rather than in the middle has to be smoking something. I mean seriously, putting one of your most penetrating passers out on the edge of the field seems like an odd use of talent. Against Chelsea he got separated from play a few times because he was pressing the damn goalkeeper while Pogba and McTominay were huffing and puffing back on the half way line. If our pressing system was better organised, Andreas would be much more productive. To my eyes he is improving every game. Let's give the guy a chance, especially when he actually produced!
As for Jesse, I like him a lot (again, he is much better than people here think - it is so weird that multiple world-class managers don't agree with certain RedCafe muppets, who are experts, of course), but he doesn't have the vision to be a solution at #10. Andreas just might. Maybe.
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Id rather start Pereira than 0 assist 0 shots Lingard (his stats vs wolves)
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Pereira for me offers nothing but industry. I couldn't say anything he actually excels at on the pitch.
At least Lingard has some good link-up play at times. I agree he's been anonymous more times than not for a while and I'd love to see Gomes get a start over him but Lingard is still easily a better option than Andreas.
At least Lingard has some good link-up play at times. I agree he's been anonymous more times than not for a while and I'd love to see Gomes get a start over him but Lingard is still easily a better option than Andreas.
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I second that.Just replace them both with Gomes and Greenwood. Job done.
I don't know how anyone who has actually watched him play would say this.Pereira for me offers nothing but industry. I couldn't say anything he actually excels at on the pitch.
At least Lingard has some good link-up play at times. I agree he's been anonymous more times than not for a while and I'd love to see Gomes get a start over him but Lingard is still easily a better option than Andreas.
He has a very good right foot. That's what he excels in. He has the best (as in, the most consistent) delivery from set pieces from anyone I've seen recently at the club, including from corners and free kicks. He can whip in a good ball when he finds himself on the wings, ample evidence of that. And he can also smash a good shot from outside the box.
That along with his industry is a good solid basis. He needs to learn to get more involved in the play, absolutely, but it's not like Lingard is significantly better at that either. They both had the lowest touches against Chelsea.
Personally I'd rather give Pereira the time and see if he grows in the role. Rather than wait another 10 months before Lingard does something useful from the #10 position.
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I've watched every game he's played. I don't think having a very good foot is that much of skill. Most players should have at least one good foot no?I don't know how anyone who has actually watched him play would say this.
He has a very good right foot. That's what he excels in. He has the best (as in, the most consistent) delivery from set pieces from anyone I've seen recently at the club, including from corners and free kicks. He can whip in a good ball when he finds himself on the wings, ample evidence of that. And he can also smash a good shot from outside the box.
That along with his industry is a good solid basis. He needs to learn to get more involved in the play, absolutely, but it's not like Lingard is significantly better at that either. They both had the lowest touches against Chelsea.
Personally I'd rather give Pereira the time and see if he grows in the role. Rather than wait another 10 months before Lingard does something useful from the #10 position.
Delivery and goals outside the box sure but they're rare.
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They should but they don'tI've watched every game he's played. I don't think having a very good foot is that much of skill. Most players should have at least one good foot no?
Delivery and goals outside the box sure but they're rare.
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Neither are remotely good enough, but Pereira is less annoying than Lingard, so I pick him.
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I'd drop both and give Gomes and Garner their play time.
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Pereira offers more quality on the ball easily, in addition to industry as you say.Pereira for me offers nothing but industry. I couldn't say anything he actually excels at on the pitch.
At least Lingard has some good link-up play at times. I agree he's been anonymous more times than not for a while and I'd love to see Gomes get a start over him but Lingard is still easily a better option than Andreas.
Lingard apart from a 3m safe pass to the nearest teammate is incapable of playing something with the ball, which is laughable for a number 10.
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I agree. What he is good at is finding pockets of space for the rest of the team to play off though. He's not going to split a defence with a pass but he's like a kind of bumper we can use to get up the pitch by passing to and it's likely to be laid off quite well to an advancing attacker.Pereira offers more quality on the ball easily, in addition to industry as you say.
Lingard apart from a 3m safe pass to the nearest teammate is incapable of playing something with the ball, which is laughable for a number 10.
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It’s not enough imo. He is too limited on the ball.I agree. What he is good at is finding pockets of space for the rest of the team to play off though. He's not going to split a defence with a pass but he's like a kind of bumper we can use to get up the pitch by passing to and it's likely to be laid off quite well to an advancing attacker.
I’m not saying Pereira will be good enough at the end of the day,but he might just cut it.
Ideally I want Gomes playing same as you.
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Gomes over Pereira though
Sell Lingard for an overpriced fee to a club below us. Win-win
Gomes over Pereira though
Sell Lingard for an overpriced fee to a club below us. Win-win
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I agree with that too. They're both very limited imo and giving Gomes a chance can't hurt.It’s not enough imo. He is too limited on the ball.
I’m not saying Pereira will be good enough at the end of the day,but he might just cut it.
Ideally I want Gomes playing same as you.