What sort of option is he? He doesn't even want to be here, he's injury prone and he's crap.
Alexis offered to Roma
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An existing one? The injuries are a factor, but what's the point of letting him go while still paying him?
I think it is incase we miss his 5 goals in two years, or his piano playing or his walking the dogs round the cliff
Agreed. If Sanchez is so desperate to leave, then he should take a paycut and get paid whatever Inter can afford.
We should not be subsidising his wages.
I’m happy for him to go, and if we end up short, then so be it - that’s a risk we take, but the plus side is getting rid of his wages.
A loan, and subsidising his wages just kicks the can down the road. Next season we have the same issue, and a player who is no doubt even more difficult to get rid of.
Back when I was young, AC Milan was the team to beat. That team was pretty much invincible. Imagine Pep's team but with a world class defence as well. While EPL teams were still struggling with long ball football, a pub club mentality and defenders who looked more like thugs then players AC Milan had the likes of Baresi, Maldini, Rijkaard, Van Basten, Gullit and Evani. Yet, when investment dried up, so did the players' quality. Once that happened the team nosedived to oblivion, expectations were lowered to the ridiculous and these days they are happy to dig deep in any top team trash to pick leftovers. Its not the brand name that make the team but the people on the pitch and unfortunately I am noticing that United have taken that route. Players are being not replaced, we're taking ages to hire a DOF and the people being employed are simply nowhere as experienced for the task at hand. The same happened about expectations. I mean can you imagine someone targeting 4th place when Sir Alex was around? These days 4th place is our holy grail.
Returning to the subject. Its not about Sanchez. If United had bothered bringing in a much needed RW and a striker to replace Lukaku then no one would have complained about Sanchez leaving. What's concerning is that several people had left the club and had not been replaced. Herrera is gone, Fellaini is gone and Lukaku is gone. If Sanchez leaves as well, then we'll be relying on players like Martial and Rashford who had been inconsistent throughout the past years + a bunch of kids whom while having talent, can't even top their own division. The U23 is in shambles while the U18 ended 4th last season and had a real beating by Shitty in the league cup semi final. We need all hands on deck to make it to top 4 and Id rather have Sanchez as an option in the unlikely event of him returning to his former best (or even at 50%, he's a way better player then most of our players even on those terms), then not having any options at all. And for what? So that Woodward's spreadsheet can look better?
Even if our kids are the best in United's history I am still uncomfortable giving them such responsibility at such early stage of their career. The reason being is that kids need time to develop physically and mentally. If we rely on them too much then the risk of them picking an injury or suffering a burn out early in their career is reasonably high. And lets be clear here. We will be relying on this kids. The EPL is just too long and too physical for Martial, Rashford and co not to need rest and when that happens they will be thrown in the deep end because we really have no choice. Our backup is really dire. Lingard is Everton's level at best, Mata is meah, James has pace but I've yet to see him dribble past a player. There's really little option there.
If you reduce it to few paragraphs then I probably bother reading it. Until then please read my previous post. It probably answer your post.
1. we save money not having to pay a full wage on a player that is absolutely done
2. we create more development opportunity for our young players, greenwood especially.
We should let Sanchez go if inter agrees to buy him or a loan deal with the option to buy.
Why would anyone want to keep Sanchez as a squad option? A former star on very high wage, he will disrupt the team on/off the pitch.
I would rather give his playing time to Gomes, Greenwood and James, there's no way they won't match Sanchez's contribution in terms of goal and assist and have the added advantage of gaining more experience. I mean James already has half the number of Sanchez's last season goals in one match.
I understand the concern about squad depth ,we can manage till January and get a decent replacement.
If we don't sale him now that inter are interested, we may never get a reasonable take for him.
Why would anyone want to keep Sanchez as a squad option? A former star on very high wage, he will disrupt the team on/off the pitch.
I would rather give his playing time to Gomes, Greenwood and James, there's no way they won't match Sanchez's contribution in terms of goal and assist and have the added advantage of gaining more experience. I mean James already has half the number of Sanchez's last season goals in one match.
I understand the concern about squad depth ,we can manage till January and get a decent replacement.
If we don't sale him now that inter are interested, we may never get a reasonable take for him.
Selling him could finally settling some things regarding contracts and salaries. On top, I rather watch Gomes or Greenwood than Sanchez. He had more than enough time to prove himself, he couldnt do it. Time to sell and move on
I am still somewhat hoping that Sanchez can gel with this current team with quick transition play. But if a good deal comes along to get rid of him, I'm all up for it. But if he is staying, he better start not losing possession. From what I saw last 2 seasons, he tries to run and press the opponents, however the other team mates did not press as a team and his body language seems to indicate he give up.
Perhaps if he get full fitness and he takes over Lingard position, he might start banging in goals, as he is good in shooting from around the box.
Perhaps if he get full fitness and he takes over Lingard position, he might start banging in goals, as he is good in shooting from around the box.
AC Milan is not a good example at all. They were funded by Berlusconi, and their descent started when he pulled out. United are generating their own money in a way AC Milan never did.
The problem at United for the last six years is not the amount of money spent, but that they have been spent on the wrong players. Solskjær is trimming the squad, getting rid of wantaway players and deadwood. He will be giving the youngsters a chance to impress, and I would be utterly surprised if he does not strengthen the positions that are still weak by january or summer .
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The fact that you refuse to read a long post just says it all about your ability to absorb new information, as well as your ability to make rational judgements and form rational opinions.
Save money? As I already pointed out the damage is done regarding financial damage. If we are to loan him out while paying part of his wage, which I can imagine is a big part because the Italians are cheapskates, without an obligation to buy since I've only seen option to buy mentioned, we are still paying a wage for him to be an option for someone else while we have a 17 year as the only back up in the squad.
If he does bad, he will be here next summer and we are in an even worse situation, if he does good and we are paying a part of his wage, I'd rather he be here until we find someone to take him off our hands.
There will be plenty of opportunities for young players even with Alexis staying.
If we manage to get him off without paying part of his wage/ he takes a wage cut, then fine the risk of playing the season with Rashford, Martial and Greenwood would be worth it.
yes, but we would be paying less. that's the point. i'd rather pay £150k per week for him to (hopefully do well) at Roma rather than £300k per week for him to sit on our bench and contribute sweet fa (as evidenced by his entire career at United thus far).
there have been some reports saying there would be an option to buy for 15m. our best hope is he does well for Roma in an easier league, and they then buy him (or someone else in Italy does). he's not going to do anything in England.
yeah there will, because Sanchez is utter crap. but the more opportunity the better. i don't want Ole to feel obliged to give Sanchez minutes out of pity, or whatever. better him out of the club and the dressing room completely. he doesn't fit into anything the club is wanting to do right now and especially going forward.
It is not fair to the youngsters? Do we run a preschool? This is Man Utd, you play if you are good enough, simple as that. Young players would only dream to be relied on as soon as possible. I actually cannot see a better timing as we do not compete for the league win and do not play CL. Perfect time for youngsters to shine.
Also, on topic, get rid of Sanchez ASAP. To be benched as highest earner (in any company/organization) prevents future contract negotiations amongst colleagues.
Nah its about me not really be bothered especially since I'll probably be repeating myself.
Its not an exactly like by like as United do produce their own money unlike AC Milan. However, in the past 2 years we've seen a reduction in spending. This year 4 players have left and hadn't been replaced. Meanwhile top jobs had either not been filled (ex tech director) or had been replaced with pound shop like signings (ex Ole as manager)
You don't think there is a remote chance that Solskjær is hired because he has experience building a club culture (Molde) in Uniteds image, worked with youth players and has experience with taking a team with said youngsters from midtable to champions (albeit in a lesser league)? United needed a reset now, and that's exactly what he is doing when Solskjær is doing when he gets rid of Lukaku, Fellaini, Sanchez and the like while promoting youth.
If we had bought Dybala or another attacker, then I'd be entirely up for this move.
Sanchez leaving now would leave us very thin on the ground and an injury away from scrabbling around the reserves for players which is not ideal. As shit as he has been, he brings PL nouse, experience and can be a decent substitute option.
Sanchez leaving now would leave us very thin on the ground and an injury away from scrabbling around the reserves for players which is not ideal. As shit as he has been, he brings PL nouse, experience and can be a decent substitute option.
All your comparisons with AC Milan are fair, but big difference is also that our club/ owners cannot afford the team going into oblivion. The fan base is clearly used to trophies, and a lot of their commercial appeal will fall if we go the AC Milan way. 4th place is not our "holy grail" - but it is the realistic expectation for this season. We can agree to disagree that this is because of a lack of investment or a lack of planning. I think it's the latter. We had a scatter-gun approach to transfers and to managers over the last 4-5 years. It was not about balance sheet, but moving away from the club's principles to get results. All of which miserably failed when Woodwood didn't give Jose what he wanted last summer. As a club, we should never have hired Moyes as manager, nor should we have hired Jose. With Jose, we thought we will get back to winning things - but it didn't materialize and his "third season meltdown" is well known by now. Our club is not the first place where he had that.
The team now needs a rebuild. The consistency with which our managers complained about squad attitude (including, the ever positive Ole) over the last 4-5 years has been obvious to see. We need players who want to be at United, and think of this club as their holy grail - and not as a stepping stone for other big things. We are taking a big risk on this one, but I am fully with Ole on this.
Ole has said in a few pressers that Alexis is a part of the squad and is behind only on his fitness. However, if in his judgment (based on training) he feels that Alexis's attitude is not right to keep him around, then he must go. Ole knows his job will be at risk if he doesn't show signs of a massive improvement this season, and he wants to bet that on youngsters - so be it.
Also, you are making a narrative now which is based on your biases, without considering how the players are performing.
1. Mata's output has been better than Alexis since the latter came to the club.
2. Lingard (although is perhaps Everton level) has been a started for the last 3 managers because he brings something (off-the ball movement) which others don't really bring.
3. James beat Kante (the universally acknowledged world class CDM) all ends up in the last game itself.
Would you be fine if we kept Alexis and let one of Lingard or Mata go? I would imagine yes.
It's funny how that, when top players want to leave the club, people moan about loyalty etc. Yet when players are struggling there is no loyalty the other direction. For all we know Sanchez may want to stay and prove himself. He could be putting in the work in training and has been unlucky with injuries.
I think as temporary manager because no one wanted the job at the time (top managers would want to take the job in the summer) then we made him permanent cause he was cheap, he was winning and it was a popular move among the fans.
As said for a million times. I DON'T MIND IF PLAYERS LEAVE. If Rojo, Jones or Darmian left then I'd be over the moon. However up front/in midfield replacements need to be brought in first. We lost 3 players already that hasn't been replaced and we can't lose any more players. Also next summer there will be a major rebuilding that need to be made with Matic leaving probably alongside DDG & Pogba. From what had happened during the past 2 transfer windows I don't trust the club for being able to support that with players. Sure we've got 1-2 decent kid coming up who might make it if we support them properly (ie we play them with in a top team, they are given time & patience to develop etc). However lets be realistic here. There's no class of 92 coming up and even if there were, we'll be asking these kids way more then what we asked from the original class of 92.
Well the Glazers are making good money out of the clubs despite being in shambles. Also considering what happened with Tampa Bay, I doubt these guys know how to manage a sport business in the first place. They do know how to make money but that success rarely translated on the pitch.
4th place is our holy grail because that's all we can achieve. Years of bad management, bad investment and non investment had brought us to this point. I do agree that rebuilding is neccessary here. However 2 signings and a half (James is a punt) is too little for a club who need major rebuilding. You'll expect more ambition, a well executed plan and more players coming in especially considering that we lost 3 players throughout the year and look set to lose the 4th.
Finally to answer your question I wouldn't want any midfielder/forward to leave at this point, not unless we strengthen those position. That include Sanchez, Lingard, Mata and even the youth players who might go on loan.
Exactly. I will not be happy if he leaves now. Our options are way too thin.
He's been more like a PL noose around our neck since arriving. Probably the only player to look shite under Ole's good run.
I'm not that against him staying but I'd like to see something to show he's worth persevering with.
I'm not that against him staying but I'd like to see something to show he's worth persevering with.
The MEN are saying he's scheduled for a medical with Inter tomorrow morning.
If we are going to subsidise his wages I'd much rather keep him for time being as we don't exactly have an embarrassment of riches in the squad ATM.
unless it's an outright sale or loan with obligation to buy.
unless it's an outright sale or loan with obligation to buy.
I get that people think him moving on might leave us short, but his contract has been an albatross around our neck and it'll only get worse as time passes and his reputation drops to the point no one would take a chance on him. If there's a chance to move him on, we have to take it, unless there are genuine signs that he might be able to contribute. When you hear stuff from journos on the United beat - Ian Ladyman on the Sunday Supplement yesterday, for example - the suggestion seems to be that he hasn't exactly warmed to the task of proving himself all over again. If that's the case, you have to take your chances and move him on.
He offers nothing though and if he's causing a negative effect on the training pitch then it's better to get shot. Out of sight out of mind when it comes to contract renewals as well one would hope
Adios, muchachos.
It's a long season with a lot of games, and if we are still paying a considerable chunk of his wages it's a (small) gamble we just might as well take.
I'm not convinced that he would be having a negatives effect on the other lads, and it's something we can't know for sure. IF it were to be the case, for certain, then I'd be inclined to agree with you.
I agree, it makes no sense to send him on loan and we subsidise more than half his wage. Unless we are getting like a £10m loan fee or something.
I am all for promoting youth, but we only have Martial, Rashford, Greenwood, James to fill 3 positions. Surely, we need minimum 6 - and with no experience we will regret this. Sanchez may not be the same player but what he does bring is a wealth of experience, if he can get fit and playing somewhat good football, he can be a valuable member.
it's not just about this season, it's a chance to get rid of his hideous contract in future seasons. Roma will be a shop window either for Roma themselves or someone else.
Its just plain madness to let him go at this point regardless of his wages.
Why? He's been shite. What can he contribute that would make it 'madness' to get rid of him?
Yeah, how can we possibly cope without his 2 league goals per season...madness indeed...
Because we will only have three strikers and one of them is 17? Also if we are still paying the cnuts wages then whats the point. Its madness to let him go now.
Don't you just love child like logic "it happened like this last time so this is how its ALWAYS gonna be" Have a fecking word with yourself fs.Yeah, how can we possibly cope without his 2 league goals per season...madness indeed...
Alexis, we hardly knew ye.
Really hope this does indeed go through. If he stays every moment he gets to play will be a moment one of our young players could have had instead.
Really hope this does indeed go through. If he stays every moment he gets to play will be a moment one of our young players could have had instead.