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Dirty bastard who was in the refs ear all night.
Knows how to hit them though.
 

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Straw man. Nobody is writing him off after the first game. Everyone is just saying he wasn't that good... which he wasn't.
Not really he's been described as a party trick ffs :lol:
 

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Anyone who's watched him consistently knows he hasn't been that great ever since he got in the Premier League after a great year in the Championship. He does score incredible goals and make incredible passes so plenty of highlight plays which means people overrate how well he's been doing. Still pretty good but he's not what people make him out to be.
 

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Been wank all game but I wonder how many people are gonna want him off the back of that goal.
Exactly

There's a reason why no one even had a sniff at him in the summer

Just another one for the hipsters (not saying he isn't a good player mind)
 

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He's been underwhelming for over a year now. Not sure why people are surprised by his consistent average to shit games. He's slow and immobile too which is a issue IMO.
 

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Well our lot bossed him for every bit of the game except the goal, the only thing he did apart from getting booked.
They bossed shit. We were better in the first half mainly to the aggressiveness of our front pressing and winning the ball back fast. While creating feck all apart from the goal, which was a misplaced pass to Shaw. In the second half McTominay was lost, Lingard was absolute shit for the whole game and Pogba boiled over while missing a penalty. I’d take Neves contribution to the game over any of our midfielders,in a heartbeat.
 

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He expalined it exactly how it was.
I'm not saying he's a exceptional player, because I know he isn't. He could barely get minutes at Porto and was basically a third option.

This is pretty much like people saying center back X made a great game and the only thing he missed was giving striker Y space to score.
 

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A sniper's goal. Very well taken and not easy at all.
 

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The guy should have been sent off before he even got the chance.

Long shot merchant. Don't know why everybody raves about him he's the epitomy of a youtube player.
 

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Apart from long range shooting, he isn't anything special. Moutinho is a better player but much older
Moutinho was one of the best portuguese B2B midfielders of his generation, so not really a far comparison. But yeah, Neves was scarcely used by Porto's managers mainly because he wasn't aggressive enough, had issues with positioning (which he still has now) and was prone to loose his composure when under high pressure.

And he was always trying to make those long through passes, something that irked a lot of managers.
 

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Should've been office. Raul was blocking De Gea's viewpoint whilst standing offside.
Jimenez wasn't standing in front of De Gea, he was about 2 yards to his left. De Gea could still see the ball as Neves shot, so it's not offside.

Portuguese Darron Gibson/Charlie Adam.
Neves had a poor game last night, but this is just a ridiculous comparison. Charlie Adam was fat and shit. Darron Gibson had good technique but was very average on the whole (he played for Wolves so I've seen this first hand).

Neves is a fixture in our side for a reason, he's Portugal's regular 'number 6' for a reason. He would improve your team, as would our other midfielders.
 

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Jimenez wasn't standing in front of De Gea, he was about 2 yards to his left. De Gea could still see the ball as Neves shot, so it's not offside.



Neves had a poor game last night, but this is just a ridiculous comparison. Charlie Adam was fat and shit. Darron Gibson had good technique but was very average on the whole (he played for Wolves so I've seen this first hand).

Neves is a fixture in our side for a reason, he's Portugal's regular 'number 6' for a reason. He would improve your team, as would our other midfielders.
Charlie Adam wasn't shit, he was a fat granted but he got once got 20 goals and assists in a season playing for Blackpool in the PL. Is he Portugal's regular 6 as well, wasn't he dropped in the Nations League final whilst Carvalho played?
 

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Very nice goal but apart from that he was no better than McTominay was and McT was having a bad game. Both lost the ball countless times and didn't offer much in possession.
 

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He's sooooooo overrated, Moutinho is definitely the stand out in their midfield. He can hit them but when afforded the luxury of hitting many, many shots high and wide from range it's not surprising he hits the odd screamer every now and again. It's a luxury he wouldn't be given at a top side.
 

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Should've been office. Raul was blocking De Gea's viewpoint whilst standing offside.
:lol:

Blocked his view so much that De Gea still got this close to saving it.
 

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Is he Portugal's regular 6 as well, wasn't he dropped in the Nations League final whilst Carvalho played?
He was, I believe he was carrying a slight knock.

He started 6 of their 8 games last season, playing an average of 85 mins in those games. Seems pretty regular to me.
 

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He can hit them but when afforded the luxury of hitting many, many shots high and wide from range it's not surprising he hits the odd screamer every now and again. It's a luxury he wouldn't be given at a top side.
I don't know about that, Rashford seems to get license to do it. Including shooting from wide free kicks from 40 yards, that just trickle out of play.
 

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Blocked his view so much that De Gea still got this close to saving it.
It doesn't matter how close the goalkeeper is to saving it though, does it?

That said, I don't think he blocked anything and the goal was totally legit.
 

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He was, I believe he was carrying a slight knock.

He started 6 of their 8 games last season, playing an average of 85 mins in those games. Seems pretty regular to me.
I believe the Chalie Adam comparisons do have merit, although they're not exactly the same kind of player, both deliver substandard passing stats through a love of hitting countless long balls with poor accuracy, both have poor mobility and both mask their deficiencies with Hollywood moments.
 

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I don't know about that, Rashford seems to get license to do it. Including shooting from wide free kicks from 40 yards, that just trickle out of play.
Touché :lol:

Although I feel like Rashford get's a lot stick for it to be honest. Can't imagine Ruben get's any stick from you lot..

Checked the stats and Neves had 22% shot accuracy from 74 shots compared to Rashford who had 48% from 84 last season. I know it's always gonna favor Rashy with him being a striker but yeah, Neves is a wasteful c*nt. :)
 

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He wasn't good at all last night apart from the goal but that will get the headlines. He's fantastic with long range shots and it's a shame that a couple of minutes of United shitting it that allowed him space to do that on the edge of the box. I think Moutinho outshone him last season too. He's a good player, no doubt, but he needs to make that step up from being a big fish in a small pond.
 

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I believe the Chalie Adam comparisons do have merit, although they're not exactly the same kind of player, both deliver substandard passing stats through a love of hitting countless long balls with poor accuracy, both have poor mobility and both mask their deficiencies with Hollywood moments.
Not having that I'm afraid. Based on last night, yes his passing radar was off. But he was the only outfield player amongst the top 20 players for 'accurate long-passes' in our Champ winning season and he averages over 50% more 'Accurate Long-Balls' per game in the Premier League than Charlie Adam ever did.

The only comparison I'll agree with is the 'Hollywood Moments', but I'm not sure they do this to mask their deficiencies, but because they are capable of them!!

His long-passing and the way he can switch the play is crucial to our system. No surprise that when he had an off night last night, we weren't very functional as a unit. A lot of that came from how well you pressed us.
 

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Touché :lol:

Although I feel like Rashford get's a lot stick for it to be honest. Can't imagine Ruben get's any stick from you lot..

Checked the stats and Neves had 22% shot accuracy from 74 shots compared to Rashford who had 48% from 84 last season. I know it's always gonna favor Rashy with him being a striker but yeah, Neves is a wasteful c*nt. :)
If a striker had that sort of record, I'd be worried. But as a deep central midfield player, I'm happy to let him carry on having a pop and be as wasteful a c*nt as he wants to be, if he puts a few of them in the top bin from time to time!
 

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Not having that I'm afraid. Based on last night, yes his passing radar was off. But he was the only outfield player amongst the top 20 players for 'accurate long-passes' in our Champ winning season and he averages over 50% more 'Accurate Long-Balls' per game in the Premier League than Charlie Adam ever did.

The only comparison I'll agree with is the 'Hollywood Moments', but I'm not sure they do this to mask their deficiencies, but because they are capable of them!!

His long-passing and the way he can switch the play is crucial to our system. No surprise that when he had an off night last night, we weren't very functional as a unit. A lot of that came from how well you pressed us.
Not really bothered about his stats in The Championship here.

As far as I can see, in Charlie Adam's best season he made about 13 long passes a game with about 56% accuracy whereas Neves made about 10 long passes per game last season with 59% accuracy.

Pretty much the same.

They both have poor mobility too.
 

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If a striker had that sort of record, I'd be worried. But as a deep central midfield player, I'm happy to let him carry on having a pop and be as wasteful a c*nt as he wants to be, if he puts a few of them in the top bin from time to time!
Yeah that's fair enough, I just think he wouldn't get that at a top side.
 

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Ruben was nowhere near his best last night, probably one of his most frustrating and error prone games in a Wolves shirt. Our shape was also way off in the first half which left him isolated to your (very good) pressing given how deep he sits.

Some of the comments in here though - Jesus. Didn't know United fans watched us week in, week out to have the opinion that he's a Darron Gibson (ffs - one of the worst players we've had the misfortune of watching in our shirt) clone who's been underwhelming for over a year. So underwhelming he played a vital role in taking us straight into Europe, righto. Is he top, top tier at the moment? No, but I don't believe any Wolves fan thinks that in any case. He's a very good player who is still learning and improving his all round game.
 

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Not really bothered about his stats in The Championship here.

As far as I can see, in Charlie Adam's best season he made about 13 long passes a game with about 56% accuracy whereas Neves made about 10 long passes per game last season with 59% accuracy.

Pretty much the same.

They both have poor mobility too.
So compare Adams' best passing season with Neves' overall record. Good work.

Also, on the mobility front, what exactly do you mean? His km per game last season was 10.70km, higher than all your central midfield players apart from Matic (11.16km). Comparable to Kante (10.94km) and Jorginho (10.98km), who are lauded as two of the most hard working and mobile midfielders in the league.

They only started measuring running stats towards the end of Adams' career, which will obviously impact them, but his 2 seasons on record are 7.48km per game and 4.60km per game! Even assuming he fell off by 25% in the later stages of his career, he still wouldn't get near Neves at his most mobile!

The comparison on mobility just doesn't stack up I'm afraid.
 

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So compare Adams' best passing season with Neves' overall record. Good work.

Also, on the mobility front, what exactly do you mean? His km per game last season was 10.70km, higher than all your central midfield players apart from Matic (11.16km). Comparable to Kante (10.94km) and Jorginho (10.98km), who are lauded as two of the most hard working and mobile midfielders in the league.

They only started measuring running stats towards the end of Adams' career, which will obviously impact them, but his 2 seasons on record are 7.48km per game and 4.60km per game! Even assuming he fell off by 25% in the later stages of his career, he still wouldn't get near Neves at his most mobile!

The comparison on mobility just doesn't stack up I'm afraid.
That's because it's per game and he played many games as a sub. So obviously per game average will be shit.

Also Fred covers around 11.5 Kms per 90 mins.