Road Trip Draft II 1st Round: Moby vs 2mufc0/Theon

Who will win based on all the players at their club career peak as mentioned?


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Welcome to the Road Trip Draft II KO Stage.

Only the club career for the clubs mentioned against player names will be considered for evaluation. No national teams performances count whatsoever.



Team Moby --------------------------------------------- Team 2mufc0/Theon

Team Moby

Key Highlights:
  1. X-mas tree formation with two explosive creative geniuses roaming the lines behind a goal machine.
  2. Midfield foundation of Rivellino and Breitner brimming with creativity and work ethic.
  3. Sammer plugging the gaps in front of defense and comfortable dropping into defense when Vasovic bombs forward.
  4. Kaltz crossing being a massive weapon for RvN's aerial ability along with his general presence on the wing.
  5. Maldini - Kohler - Vasovic - Kaltz being a quality complementary backline.
  6. Maldini's career wide experience of playing of playing in similar setups and being a lynchpin in defense will be immensely valuable here.

Team 2mufc0/Theon

TACTICS:

Tactically we have built the team around Lionel Messi inspired by his most devastating iteration as the the false #9 in a 4-3-3 formation. The system has been heavily inspired by Pep's dominant Barcelona team to get the best out of our talisman. Averaging a goal every game and winning four Ballon d'Ors in a row, Messi is arguably the most devastating club footballer of all time during this period. With a possession based set-up Messi will be granted full freedom to drop deep towards midfield where he can pick up the ball, create space for others and utilise his dribbling/passing ability to slice open the opposition back line. When approaching the goal Messi will be both creator and finisher, equally comfortable slipping in the inside forwards with a through ball as skipping through challenges to finish himself.

In another ode to Pep's Barcelona set up, we have partnered Messi with two goal-scoring inside forwards who are equally comfortable with technical wingplay on the flanks as they are penetrating the centre of the park to race through on goal. On the left we have Anderlecht legend Rob Rensenbrink, who rattled 173 goals in 304 games for Anderlecht, hitting 20+ goals in 6 out of 9 seasons there. Arjen Robben is placed on the right hand side, like Rensenbrink he was a quality creator and scorer, with 144 goals in 309 appearances for Bayern. Both of the wide men are technically brilliant footballers and comfortable playing possession football and intricate play in the final third and able to expose the space created by Messi with their movement.

In the middle of the park we have opted for a trio who are comfortable on the ball and capable of both maintaining possession and penetrating more directly. In the hybrid-attacking #8/#10 role Iniesta can again link up with Messi to re-create one of the most proven and dominant combinations in domestic football. Sitting slightly deeper in midfield is Paul Scholes (in his '06-'09 playmaker iteration) who has the technical ability to keep the ball and set up attacks with his devastating passing range (his cross-field passes to Robben and Rensenbrink should work wonders here). With his striking ability Scholes also has a knack of getting a few goals himself and in a fluid possession team he will find himself in these forward positions. Acting as the holding midfielder we have the Brazilian Cerezo, a member of the legendary Brazil '82 international side who should slot seamlessly into the technical set up we have implemented. At over 6ft with an excellent engine, Cerezo is capable of dictating play from deeper positions whist also being defensively sound and providing protection for the defence - at his best he was the highest rated footballer in Brazil ahead of Falcao and Zico which is testament to his quality.

In defence we have significantly upgraded the weakest area of Pep's Barcelona. In the centre of the defence Nesta & Vidic provide a rock solid defensive core, with both being part of two of the best defensive units in the history of club football (definitely the case for the 00's onwards). As a partnership the sweeping/covering style of Nesta is well complimented by the physical dominance and aerial presence of Vidic - indeed there are clear similarities to Rio/Vidic and with all the hallmarks of a dominant partnership. The left back position is significantly upgraded with one of the all-time GOATs Giacinto Facchetti providing defensive solidity and unrivalled attacking threat down the wing - we all know how Messi loves the switch of play to the Alba on the left who has proved devastating for Barcelona and should be equally effective here (if not more so). On the right flank Amoros who was the French player of the year in 1986 also provides excellent defensive cover and attacking threat on the right side. In goal is Jose Chilavert a goal keeper that was great on the ball and carried a goal threat on top of his superb goal keeping skills. During his time in Argentina he won both the Argentinian and South American footballer of the year in 1996.
 

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Personally, I'd say that the midfield version of Breitner peaked in Germany, post his Real Madrid stint. He was still quality, of course, but not quite at his very best.

By the way, it's either Mazurkiewicz or Mazurka, if you're going for a more convenient name. I feel like you've tried to combine the two, but Mazurkaweicz doesn't really work :lol:

As for 2T, I'd probably prefer someone slightly different at DM — Cerezo was too different from Busquets in his, first of all, attitude and understanding of that role. Perhaps someone more boring and defensive would've worked a bit better (especially with the amount of creativity and flair in Moby's attacking midfield).
 

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Lots to like about both teams. Have a few qualms as well, let me list them

Team Moby

1. Sammer and Vasovic are redundant. Definitely functional but I don't see the point of both being there. Vasovic most likely is going to be underused.
2. Rivellino at club level AFAIK was a proper No.10 and a great one at that. One whom Maradona looked up to (yes the club version, not the International version). One of those drafts where he could have had a lead role rather than be in the supporting cast as always.

Team 2mufc/Theon

1. I have never liked Messi and Robben in the same team.
2. The OP says it uses Pep's Barca system and I am assuming its the tiki taka one. I am not confident of Rensenbrink and Robben being that effective in a pressing system off the ball. Especially against the barrage of central players from Moby.

I'd probably have voted for 2mufc/Theon by now but hope to hear more about how they will be playing off the ball against Moby's system before voting as the game could be lost there.
 

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Not a fan of Rivelino in the position used. He's similar to Kopa on the left and the dynamics with Ronaldinho are quite off. Also not sure Sammer's peak was in DM role for Dortmund. You'd have to go back to his younger days with Stuttgart for this.

As to 2mu/Th team, don't think Rensenbrink, Robben and Scholes are good fit for a Pep Barca possession side. They should just play a direct attacking style here.
 

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How was Cerezo defensive game? From what I understand he was more than capable in holding the last line of midfield, although he could play b2b too. Asking because he will be under a lot of pressure in that middle area of the pitch from Moby.

I like Moby formation and the players mainly fit. You do need to have a man like Sammer in this formation to dictate the game and be great on the ball, one player to watch his back and break the play in Breitner with more adventurous and playmaking second mid in Rivellino. Only problem is that front 3 are mostly relieved of any responsibilities in defense (and Kopa, Ronaldinho, RVN didn't have some great work-rate tbf), so Rivellino would have to provide probably even more energy then he used to. Especially as that flank with Maldini will be strongly attacked by Amoroso, Robben and even Messi.

Not so sure about complaints for 2mufc0/theon. Why would Rensenbrink and Robben have problems with pressing game or in this system? Robben even played for Pep Barca and was great. Rensenbrink was a pretty mobile player, also was familiar with a pressing system. Don't see the issue. Only thing and if am not mistaken, during his time in Belgium he was the absolute main man and some type of "runner" without a ball to exploit the space would probably be a better fit considering you have Messi and Robben in the team already. Lovely team though, slightly, but just slighty leaning towards them atm.
 

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@Jim Beam Cerezo was more than comfortable in the defensive phase, he played a lot of his career as the deepest midfielder and also had the physical profile for the defensive side.

I also don’t agree with the Robben/Rensenbrink criticism, they are both from the total football country and will put a shift in. As already pointed out Robben played under Pep and that great Bayern team under Heynckes also executed high pressing.
 

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@Jim Beam Cerezo was more than comfortable in the defensive phase, he played a lot of his career as the deepest midfielder and also had the physical profile for the defensive side.
Aye and am a fan (choose him in a drafting league and had was on my reserve list even for this draft). He was a brilliant player who put together great ability on the ball while being pretty dynamic and mobile in defensive phase. Maybe the fact that he was so smooth in possession and great on the ball takes away some of the defensive plaudits he deserved to get throughout his career. But, I know him mostly from his time in WC and Serie A.

The proper question here would be what was his version that played in Brazil league and was it any different from his time in Italy? That part am not so sure of. Maybe @oneniltothearsenal can share some light too. As much as I rate him it is obvious that he will be under the most pressure here.
 

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Aye and am a fan (choose him in a drafting league and had was on my reserve list even for this draft). He was a brilliant player who put together great ability on the ball while being pretty dynamic and mobile in defensive phase. Maybe the fact that he was so smooth in possession and great on the ball takes away some of the defensive plaudits he deserved to get throughout his career. But, I know him mostly from his time in WC and Serie A.

The proper question here would be what was his version that played in Brazil league and was it any different from his time in Italy? That part am not so sure of. Maybe @oneniltothearsenal can share some light too. As much as I rate him it is obvious that he will be under the most pressure here.
He's always described as a defensive midfielder in articles apart for that little detail of position in Brazil.

Formation at AM



http://www.footballuser.com/1544650/C_Atletico_Mineiro

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Aye and am a fan (choose him in a drafting league and had was on my reserve list even for this draft). He was a brilliant player who put together great ability on the ball while being pretty dynamic and mobile in defensive phase. Maybe the fact that he was so smooth in possession and great on the ball takes away some of the defensive plaudits he deserved to get throughout his career. But, I know him mostly from his time in WC and Serie A.

The proper question here would be what was his version that played in Brazil league and was it any different from his time in Italy? That part am not so sure of. Maybe @oneniltothearsenal can share some light too. As much as I rate him it is obvious that he will be under the most pressure here.
His first period in Brazil at Mineiro he was perfectly suited for the role here as that was his most defensive period. He won Brazil's Bola de Prata at this time playing that role. I've always thought of him as a perfect Busquets upgrade actually. His career was basically one of slowly moving more forward on the pitch. He started out the most defensive and then by 93 when he returned and played in front of two DMs. But that early Brazil version of him is really spot on here for my tastes. (I'd say early he was DM, in Italy he was CM and returning to he was AM)
 

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Hard luck @Moby think it was a lot closer in reality.

As to 2mu/Th team, don't think Rensenbrink, Robben and Scholes are good fit for a Pep Barca possession side. They should just play a direct attacking style here.
Just seen this - really don’t agree at all. Rensenbrink and Robben are pretty much the sterotype inside forwards you would want to play in a false #9 Barcelona side - quick, dynamic goalscorers capable of both playing on the outside and cutting infield to get on the end of Messi’s / Iniesta’s throughballs. I agree with you that they should play a direct style but that’s not incompatible with a possession based approach elsewhere on the park (Messi for example is also a very direct player).

If you look at the inside forwards from that era the likes of Pedro, Villa, Sanchez, Henry were all direct wide goal scorers as opposed to ‘possession players’ and Robben and Rensenbrink fit that same role to a tee.

Within Pep’s Barca it was principally the midfield and defence who dominated the ball as opposed to wingers - similarly at City now, where Sterling, Mahrez or Sane would all play a more direct game from the flanks despite being in a possession orientated side. And as mentioned Robben played successfully under Pep in a possession set up for Bayern Munich - scored 40 goals in 75 games over the first two seasons.
 

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Think Rensenbrink is a good fit, Scholes is a great fit but dont like Robben and Vidic there if you guys going tiki taka. Think @Enigma_87 had the same attack recently Messi/Robben so that debate was already been done to death :D
 

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Think Rensenbrink is a good fit, Scholes is a great fit but dont like Robben and Vidic there if you guys going tiki taka. Think @Enigma_87 had the same attack recently Messi/Robben so that debate was already been done to death :D
Aye, was with Ronaldinho instead of Rensenbrink.

Obviously can see them working and Rensenbrink is a very good fit as well.

Scholes too can keep that midfield ticking.

Agree on Vidic as a stopper not very good fit for a possession based side obviously.
 

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Agree with Vidic not being the best fit, but not with Robben. At Bayern (which is the version we have here) I saw him as very good when it comes to pass & move schemes, specifically under Guardiola.

He gets pigeonholed as a "direct" player too much, imo. For me, his passing, creativity, vision/timing/decisionmaking (in short: playmaking abilities) are seriously underrated. (Again, mainly talking about the time after 2012/13 here.)
 
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Agree with Vidic not being the best fit, but not with Robben. At Bayern (which is the version we have here) I saw him as very good when it comes to pass & move schemes, specifically under Guardiola.

He gets pigeonholed as a "direct" player too much, imo. For me, his passing, creativity, vision/timing/decisionmaking (in short: playmaking abilities) are seriously underrated. (Again, mainly talking about the time after 2012/13 here.)
Its not even that, when you have Messi as F9 you want and need a selfless runner of the ball, someone that will make those runs whole game and open space for Messi to exploit. Robben wont do that, he makes his runs when he gets the ball.
Robben with a different F9 would be a good fit, Hidegkuti, Firmino, Totti etc.
 

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Its not even that, when you have Messi as F9 you want and need a selfless runner of the ball, someone that will make those runs whole game and open space for Messi to exploit. Robben wont do that, he makes his runs when he gets the ball.
Robben with a different F9 would be a good fit, Hidegkuti, Firmino, Totti etc.
Hm, before 2013/14 I would definitely agree. Robben was very single-minded then. Perhaps you're right in that regard for his later self too, but I would have to rewatch some games from 2013-16 to really make a judgement there. As I remember it, he developed an excellent understanding for collective play in that part of his career. Still wouldn't categorically deny that he could have found a mode of constructive interaction with Messi.