Penalty taker - Ole needs to pick his men

Who should take our penalties?

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Renegade

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roonster09 said:
Why not? It's not like we have Balotelli playing for us. Till date I haven't seen our players fighting for a free kick or a penalty and I don't have any reason to believe they will in the future.

Rashford happily let him take the penalty just like how Pogba happily let him take one against Chelsea.

We have designated taker, instead of 1 we have 2. Ideally we should have 1 and that should be Rashford but this micro analysis is silly.
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Has that been confirmed that’s it’s between Pogba and Rashford? If that’s the case it’s not too bad. I thought it was who ever fancied it?
If Alexis or Lingard won a penalty, fancied it and demanded it would people have a problem?

There was no argument tonight during the discussion between them both tonight but for me it could potentially be a issue later down the line. For instance what if both Pogba and Rashford go through a goal scoring drought and both feel they need it? Does Pogba want to redeem himself next time or will his confidence be shot? Will Rashford demand it next time after seeing Pogba missing last night. Is there now more pressure on Rashford to score his next now Pogba missed his?

Don’t under estimate the power of clarity and responsibility. The problem for me isn’t that it was Pogba over Rashford it’s the fact there isn’t one designated taker. I think mentally it doesn’t help the player.
 

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Renegade said:
Has that been confirmed that’s it’s between Pogba and Rashford? If that’s the case it’s not too bad. I thought it was who ever fancied it?
If Alexis or Lingard won a penalty, fancied it and demanded it would people have a problem?

There was no argument tonight during the discussion between them both tonight but for me it could potentially be a issue later down the line. For instance what if both Pogba and Rashford go through a goal scoring drought and both feel they need it? Does Pogba want to redeem himself next time or will his confidence be shot? Will Rashford demand it next time after seeing Pogba missing last night. Is there now more pressure on Rashford to score his next now Pogba missed his?

Don’t under estimate the power of clarity and responsibility. The problem for me isn’t that it was Pogba over Rashford it’s the fact there isn’t one designated taker. I think mentally it doesn’t help the player.
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Solskjaer confirmed it, Rashford confirmed it (I think Rashford said this post Chelsea game and said it again).
 

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Pogba should be 3rd on the list - strikers should take penalty kicks as it gets their goal tally up and maintains confidence. He lost my trust when he used to do the silly run up.

Shearer was the best type of penalty taker decent run up and wack it !

Rashford and Martial have good records plus when a player gets fouled it could affect their ability to strike the ball - if this was the case pass it to the other striker.
 

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Renegade said:
That’s it’s between only him and Pogba?
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Yeah. Ole said Rashford and Pogba are the designated penalty takers.

“They are the two designated penalty takers,” he said. “The two of them are confident and good penalty takers. When there are two names there, it’s the one who is the most confident [who takes it]. Paul has scored many before so there’s absolutely no problem.

“Sometimes in a game you grow in confidence, sometimes [you think] ‘I don’t want to take it today because I had a bad game’. I’ve absolutely no problem with players walking up and saying ‘This is mine’.”
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Ok, lets say Rashford is Ole's choice. Pogba, seems to me, is a deeply insecure yet highly egotistical individual (the two do go together). I can understand the frustration. Pogba probably can't be controlled, can't take instruction. I saw him with Jose, at one point he seemed to be actually trying to be a disciplined, structured, integrated team player. But he has a wayward heart. The other thing is of course that he is ludicrously talented. That ball the other day. You would imagine a SAF type leader would be good with him, but that didnt turn out well. Pogba needs to prove himself at United. He wants away. He has a utter c*** of an agent. Paul really doesn't know what he wants.

Of course, anybody can miss a penalty. But him pulling non-existent rank on Rashford (if that is what happened) is disquieting. Look at him in the prep and run-up. He doesnt look like he is going to score. He has stopped that psych-ops, slow run. Now, if ever I saw anyone over-think a penalty, that was it. Ronaldo went through a similar phase before, like the most talented player on the pitch carries an extra weight in the run up that slows them down.

In the end this might be a good thing, if growth can happen. Ole needs to grow with respect to Pogba. He needs a pair, Pogba needs to be ordinary. An ordinary lad, with flaws, who is not a God, who goes to the toilet and is humble enough to let others take the limelight now and again.
 

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Pogba should not take penalties. His record is poor and he just doesn't fill me with any confidence when he steps up to take them. Also, if you are placing faith in Martial and Rashford to step up and provide the goals this season, they should be trusted with penalties.

Saying all of that, Pogba's play to win that penalty was sensational. There isn't another player in the squad who could have done it and it was completely out of nothing due to his individual brilliance. If there ever was a penalty he earned the right to take it was that one.
 

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Should be one designated one. Look at City the other week, winning comfortably and Sterling chasing a hat-trick. Aguero was having none of it and took it himself. That was at 3-0. And we somehow have indecisiveness at 1-1.
 

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Samid said:
Should be one designated one. Look at City the other week, winning comfortably and Sterling chasing a hat-trick. Aguero was having none of it and took it himself. That was at 3-0. And we somehow have indecisiveness at 1-1.
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It cost us two points.
 

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If he takes Pogba off penalties he'll sulk all season.
 

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Leftback99 said:
If he takes Pogba off penalties he'll sulk all season.
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Pretty poor reason to let him keep taking them. At what point can we take him off them?

If he misses another couple more and actually has the worst penalty record in premier league history rather than just the 6th worst as it stands now.

Pretty sure he wouldn’t want that stat following him around for the rest of his career.
 

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It’s Rashford. If he can score against PSG in those circumstances, he can score anywhere.
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THIS. If not Rashford, then somebody else but not Pogba. Pogba doesnt look confident even when he scores.
 

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elmo said:
If a striker doesn't feel confident enough to take a penalty, he doesn't deserve to be playing.
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Yeah it's as simple as that. Nothing to do with being a good teammate and having confidence on your teammate who is also designated penalty taker.

Some of the fans really deserve Balotelli.
 

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I'm of the view that our team is much better with Pogba in it, so am not anti him.

Having said that, last night's miss cost us 2 points - if we are serious about challenging for the top place, that is unsustainable.

Pogba isn't a bad penalty taker, Rashford (so far) is clinical.

Therefore Rashford should be the penalty taker.

Players do not select the team or choose the formation, nor should they choose the penalty taker - it's a coach decision.
 

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This whole thing has been blown completely because of Neville/the miss. Nobody was crying about it last week when Rashford was saying that there wasn't a designated taker and that they'd play it by ear each week. Players miss penalties. It happens - worth noting that this is the only pen that Pogba has missed for you where it has had an impact in terms of points dropped. The other games he missed in you won anyway so it didn't matter.

People are also talking like Rashford is a penalty veteran too, he's not. The hyperbole surrounding this kind of stuff is mental.
 

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SilentWitness said:
This whole thing has been blown completely because of Neville/the miss. Nobody was crying about it last week when Rashford was saying that there wasn't a designated taker and that they'd play it by ear each week. Players miss penalties. It happens - worth noting that this is the only pen that Pogba has missed for you where it has had an impact in terms of points dropped. The other games he missed in you won anyway so it didn't matter.

People are also talking like Rashford is a penalty veteran too, he's not. The hyperbole surrounding this kind of stuff is mental.
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He’s missed 4 of his last 10 penalties, he has no business taking anymore unless there is no one left on the pitch that should be taking them.
 

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I've never been involved in any organisation where such a key decision will be taken be the actors as and when it happens.

There has to be clarity for the players on who our penalty taker is.
 

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roonster09 said:
Yeah it's as simple as that. Nothing to do with being a good teammate and having confidence on your teammate who is also designated penalty taker.

Some of the fans really deserve Balotelli.
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The fact that Pogba is a designated penalty taker shows how the club is a fecking joke.

Pandering to players when the focus should be on the results, players who don't like it can get the feck out.
 

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elmo said:
The fact that Pogba is a designated penalty taker shows how the club is a fecking joke.

Pandering to players when the focus should be on the results, players who don't like it can get the feck out.
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:lol:
 

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A lot is getting made out of this because Pogba missed. Had he scored, this would not be a huge talking point.
Let's think about this. Pogba didn't beg Rashford for the penalty, he didn't snatch the ball away from Rashford, he didn't bully him into taking the penalty and he didn't go against the manager's orders. Pogba has taken penalties before, so I'm not sure why this was such a huge shock that he took one yesterday. If they've got some agreement in place that "he who wins the penalty takes it" or that they alternate it, then that's a professional conversation that they need to have. These are grown men, in fact, they're millionaire professionals.

At the same time, we are also living in a bit of a weird age. I don't get, for example, why Rashford takes free kicks. They seem to lead nowhere. In fact, we had that abysmal one in the second half where he chose to shoot from a huge distance out in place of putting the ball into the box, despite us having the box overloaded with our players. I don't get that and this happens more frequently than the penalty that took place yesterday. Instead of talking about that, more of the talk should be on freekicks and corners, because we are rubbish at all of this. We may not get a penalty every game, but we most certainly will be getting corners and free kicks.

I don't think it would hurt to have more defined roles in some aspects, like who takes the free kicks or who takes the corners. But, there are advantages and disadvantages to all of this. Surely a more predictable penalty taker is easier for the opposition to work out and plan against. E.g. if it's Rashford taking all of them, the opposition goal keeper hasn't got that much homework to do before it gets sussed out.
 

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2 points dropped last night. That could be the difference between champions league and Europa league. Man up Ole. Pogba missed. He now goes to the bottom of the list for penalty takers.
 

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What they should do is have everyone in the club listed as a designated penalty taker.

And then when they're awarded a penalty, they should hold a chess tournament on the pitch, and then the winner of that tournament gets to take the penalty.

However, before taking the penalty, the winner of the tournament has to go through a series of psychometric tests, in order to determine his level of confidence, and if the researchers discover that it's less than 70% on the spectrum of possible responses, then the runner-up in the chess tournament would then be nominated to take the penalty. Although, obviously, he needs to go through the psychometric tests first.

Alternatively, the club could determine who the best penalty taker is in training, and then he could take all of the penalties, unless he has a really bad run, or isn't on the field when a penalty is awarded.

No, that would never work.
 

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roonster09 said:
Yeah. Ole said Rashford and Pogba are the designated penalty takers.
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Fair enough I didn’t hear that. I don’t necessarily agree with it though. A player having a bad game can still bang a penalty but whatever.
 

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elmo said:
Come back when you have proof that Pogba is a designated penalty taker because of merit.

He's shit at them and his record proves it.
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Because of merit? What a shit argument. He is designated penalty taker along with Rashford as Ole decided so, same with Jose.

If Ole thinks he isn't good enough then he won't be penalty taker.
 

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Renegade said:
Fair enough I didn’t hear that. I don’t necessarily agree with it though. A player having a bad game can still bang a penalty but whatever.
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Yeah, even I don't agree with that. I want Rashford to be our first choice penalty taker and after him it should be Martial. Pogba should be on free kick duties though, the close ones.
 

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Renegade said:
Fair enough I didn’t hear that. I don’t necessarily agree with it though. A player having a bad game can still bang a penalty but whatever.
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Exactly. All footballers can score a penalty and certainly all attacking players have the technical ability to score a high percentage of them. It's about calmness and confidence more than anything.

One thing I'm sure of is that the most healthy thing for a penalty taker is knowing he has a job to do the moment the penalty is given. Not going through discussions about who takes it, which only increases pressure if he does.
 

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Both Rashford and Martial are better than Pogba. They should be the penalty takers.
 

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Its not who takes the penalty that is the concern, its the process of deciding on the pitch at the time i don't like.
 

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roonster09 said:
Because of merit? What a shit argument. He is designated penalty taker along with Rashford as Ole decided so, same with Jose.

If Ole thinks he isn't good enough then he won't be penalty taker.
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Yes, because Ole picked him for his brilliant penalty record for us. :houllier:

It's clear as hell that Pogba is on penalty duties to keep him happy because it clearly isn't his ability to score them.
 

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elmo said:
Yes, because Ole picked him for his brilliant penalty record for us. :houllier:

It's clear as hell that Pogba is on penalty duties to keep him happy because it clearly isn't his ability to score them.
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He was already designated penalty taker before Ole took over. He added Rashford into the mix now.

This is not FM where you can change everything with 1 click.
 
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