Neville is an idiot with his rants towards Pogba. Feck Gary! Hypocrite cnut.
Hopefully Pogba will never leave us
Hopefully Pogba will never leave us
Paul Pogba racially abused on social media
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Wayne's World
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Hope anyone that did post racist abuse towards Pogba get jailed. He missed a penalty but no need to abuse him for the colour of his skin.
Massive Spanner
Give Mason Mount a chance!
it's not all Neville's fault obviously, but he should be more aware of the fact that his words can have an impact when it comes to social media and players, especially black players, especially in a week where black players have already been getting abused on social media, and especially when it's Paul Pogba, who is subjected to tonnes of abuse on social media already.Yeah, Neville's fault obviously, he's caused racism in the UK and Brexit is probably on him too.
Pundits should be forbidden from criticising people of colour/other nationalities/religious people/people of X sexual preference to fix the problem imo. Only good words or neutral outlooks. 'Paul has two legs and two hands'. 'Raheem played football today.' 'Mohamed kicks the ball.'. Full Michael Owen mode.
Even say, if you take the racism element out of things with Neville's comments, and don't attribute any of the racism to what he said, he should still be aware that what he says, in such a negative and overblown fashion, can have an impact on the fragile masses who follow football, and the idiots we've seen abuse players on social media over and over again.
DomesticTadpole
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He turned a drama into crisis as he usually does. Every foul a United player does it should be a red. If he didn't love United so much you would think he hated them. Pogba missed a penalty, it happens. What if Rashford had missed it, would he have said anything or that Pogba should have taken it?Yeah, Neville's fault obviously, he's caused racism in the UK and Brexit is probably on him too.
Pundits should be forbidden from criticising people of colour/other nationalities/religious people/people of X sexual preference to fix the problem imo. Only good words or neutral outlooks. 'Paul has two legs and two hands'. 'Raheem played football today.' 'Mohamed kicks the ball.'. Full Michael Owen mode.
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Because there’s no racists in Spain?Disgusting.
Sure he will push for a move in December,
We will end the season with Fred Pereira Mc Tominay and we ll be happy for sure.
Fans nowadays are such idiots
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Really glad to see Rashford and Maguire come out and comment on it directly.
Disgusting from our fanbase. We have such a toxic set of fans.
Disgusting from our fanbase. We have such a toxic set of fans.
DomesticTadpole
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Of course there are, they are everywhere, but I think most people thought we were still pretty civilised. Obviously not.Because there’s no racists in Spain?
Yagami
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Man, I'm sorry to see this happening. Just know that it's only a stupid minority and the rest of us are together regardless of race.As a black man, I have to say that the racism in football is becoming really exhausting. I thought that the majority of united fans were above it, but ever since the situation with the Lukaku song it’s becoming more and more evident that even our own fan base is full of bigots. So much of the abuse handed out to the likes of Pogba, Martial, Rashford, Lingard etc has clear racial undertones and it’s upsetting to see. Football has always served as an escape from the pressures of everyday life but it’s becoming toxic to the point where I really want to distance myself from the sport as a whole, which is something I never thought I’d feel.
Adisa
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Gary Neville can feck himself.
OL29
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I hear you, and that’s the approach I would usually encourage but it’s disheartening to see things regressing at such an alarming rate.Don't give up bro. This is a very small minority and we shouldn't let them win.
Random Task
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That's not a terrible idea to be fair.This is why putting in a drivers licence number or something similar is important though.
Makes you wonder why no such security measures have been put in place in the first place.
TheReligion
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Well done for trying to point score on the subject of racism.Can i expect lots of posts about how racist Utd fans are, or are they reserved for when some Chelsea twats do it?
OL29
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Thank you sir.Man, I'm sorry to see this happening. Just know that it's only a stupid minority and the rest of us are together regardless of race.
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Absolutely shameful. Say what you like about his performances but there's no place for racial abuse in football. It's just a game ffs.
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Yes because Trump is a racist who airs his racist views.People don’t ‘become’ racist scum because of anything Trump says either. They feel a safe environment to express their views, created by the said ‘dog whistler’.
Neville's comments last night gave a safe space for those that would like to express their view on penalty takers only.
DomesticTadpole
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That wouldn't surprise me in the least.Gary Neville can feck himself.
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Absolutely. People are responsible for their actions. Elevating Gary Neville as if he has more say over a person's action than the individual themselves is ridiculous.I cannot believe people are blaming Gary Neville for Pogba being racially abused.
Simplistic nonsense. The reason why Pogba got racially abused is because the internet is full of faceless racist morons, not because Gary Neville criticised a player on Sky Sports.
This place is far more toxic than Gary Neville.
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I have an issue with Neville's name being mentioned in this thread. Yes, his criticism was moronic, but that is a completely separate issue from racial abuse on social media
The more "users" on Twitter, the more they rake in from advertising or partnerships maybe? Can't think of anything else.That's not a terrible idea to be fair.
Makes you wonder why no such security measures have been put in place in the first place.
It's not really a strong argument in sales to say "we have (example) 500 million verified human users" instead of "we have 2 billion users on Twitter"
Kostur
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I have absolutely no idea what he'd have said if Rashford had missed it, I can only assume that because he's always protecting English players he wouldn't have complained as much, no. Had he overdramatised the whole thing? Probably yes but to try and pin a bunch of fecking morons giving Pogba racial abuse on any pundit criticising him, hell, criticising any player, is just pure delusion. Neville doesn't like Pogba? He probably doesn't, neither do I, but every single pundit there is has an agenda, make no mistake, people are just convenient to agree and pretend it's not true with those who they like. Not long time ago it was Carragher giving Pogba shit, Souness constantly does that, Scholes did it too. Should they stop doing that or should the law be enforced so that people who abuse are actually held responsible?He turned a drama into crisis as he usually does. Every foul a United player does it should be a red. If he didn't love United so much you would think he hated them. Pogba missed a penalty, it happens. What if Rashford had missed it, would he have said anything or that Pogba should have taken it?
Also where do we draw a line, is it just racism/Xphobia/whatever the feck that should be penalised or should 'you're a cnut' and 'your mum's a whore' also fall into this category?
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Club needs to do something. We have a problem in our fan base, and just saying it's a minority isn't good enough.
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People who post this stuff aren't football fans. They're racists that are masked behind their fake twitter handles and using it as a platform to abuse people because they get a kick out of it. It's disgusting but not at all surprising if you've seen any of the 'football twitter' stuff before. Social media companies like Twitter and Instagram need to do something asap to sort out this stuff before they bring out any new updates or trends or whatever they're working on.
I had a friend that was a girl who had all of her pictures stolen and were being used on a fake account that was then sending abusive messages and stuff to people. When i went to report the account for being stolen/fake I was told that I wasn't allowed to report it because I wasn't the person who was being impersonated. The report functions on these websites are fecking trash and a cop out for them to say they're doing something without doing it. It's not just football that has this problem but everything in society because of social media buzz. The companies need to do something and governments need to start pushing them to do it otherwise they'll be censored/blocked out and I'd be completely for that if nothing changes.
The Maguire idea is a great one. Perhaps not DL or Passport but some way of identifying who a person is before they sign up to a site is a good idea. I don't exactly agree fully with the Porn law that the government wants to bring in but if they want people to go to a shop and get a pass or have to put in details before signing up/accessing pornographic content then this also can and should be transferred to social media so the people can be found and stopped. Banning accounts does nothing, they'll just make another and repeat.
Barnes is right when he talks about it being a societal problem and not a football problem. Unfortunately social media is what society is connected to most nowadays and it isn't monitered anywhere nearly enough. Think about Snapchat for example - people started to call that out as it could be used by teens etc to send nudes - what happened? Did they try resolve that? Nah! Let's bring out a new map feature that can tell people exactly where you are.
Social media needs to change. Governments need to apply pressure otherwise it will just continue and the cesspool will widen.
I had a friend that was a girl who had all of her pictures stolen and were being used on a fake account that was then sending abusive messages and stuff to people. When i went to report the account for being stolen/fake I was told that I wasn't allowed to report it because I wasn't the person who was being impersonated. The report functions on these websites are fecking trash and a cop out for them to say they're doing something without doing it. It's not just football that has this problem but everything in society because of social media buzz. The companies need to do something and governments need to start pushing them to do it otherwise they'll be censored/blocked out and I'd be completely for that if nothing changes.
The Maguire idea is a great one. Perhaps not DL or Passport but some way of identifying who a person is before they sign up to a site is a good idea. I don't exactly agree fully with the Porn law that the government wants to bring in but if they want people to go to a shop and get a pass or have to put in details before signing up/accessing pornographic content then this also can and should be transferred to social media so the people can be found and stopped. Banning accounts does nothing, they'll just make another and repeat.
Barnes is right when he talks about it being a societal problem and not a football problem. Unfortunately social media is what society is connected to most nowadays and it isn't monitered anywhere nearly enough. Think about Snapchat for example - people started to call that out as it could be used by teens etc to send nudes - what happened? Did they try resolve that? Nah! Let's bring out a new map feature that can tell people exactly where you are.
Social media needs to change. Governments need to apply pressure otherwise it will just continue and the cesspool will widen.
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Nobody is saying he's to blame but he added fuel to the fire by singling out Pogba and using words like 'treachery'I have an issue with Neville's name being mentioned in this thread. Yes, his criticism was moronic, but that is a completely separate issue from racial abuse on social media
The majority of United fans ARE above it, I really believe that. Lukaku song was misguided but wasn’t out of hate. I mean, there’s different levels to this, it’s a racial stereotype but not borne out of hatred for someone due to the colour of their skin. I think the distinction is important. On one hand you have fans singing a song about a player on the team, because they think it’s funny. On the other you have people that literally hate black people. It’s disingenuous to suggest they’re the same thing. They didn’t sing about Lukaku because they hated him.As a black man, I have to say that the racism in football is becoming really exhausting. I thought that the majority of united fans were above it, but ever since the situation with the Lukaku song it’s becoming more and more evident that even our own fan base is full of bigots. So much of the abuse handed out to the likes of Pogba, Martial, Rashford, Lingard etc has clear racial undertones and it’s upsetting to see. Football has always served as an escape from the pressures of everyday life but it’s becoming toxic to the point where I really want to distance myself from the sport as a whole, which is something I never thought I’d feel.
Also I wouldn’t say the criticism our black players get is any worse than anyone else. Phil Jones and Matic get hated on more than anybody (except maybe Lingard).
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We have some cnuts in our fanbase for sure. The Madrid fans are miles worse though. Just saying.
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That never happened. Nev even said he is holding back as he thinks Pogba is the main penalty taker and thought maybe Rashford took it off him the previous week. What Nev did say that he hates when people steal penalties off of the designated penalty taker and kick up a fuss about it. He says he hates that it’s treacherous.Ranting and raving about Pogba's "treachery" in taking the penalty instead of Rashford and not scoring.
I’ll never understand how people that claim to support our club could drop to such low standards. Yes be critical if you want but don’t be a racist a twat.
pocco
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Have the users that racially abused him been posted here? I hope they get threatened by others, can have a taste of their own medicine.
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Weekend we must all get behind Pogba and chant his name even before he gets on the pitch,This is fecking disgraceful and disrespectful to the player,the club, and all concerned.
Adisa
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It's not really a club problem. It's a twitter problem.Club needs to do something. We have a problem in our fan base, and just saying it's a minority isn't good enough.
Massive Spanner
Give Mason Mount a chance!
it's not a separate issue if people genuinely think it is part of the reason why he gets abuse.I have an issue with Neville's name being mentioned in this thread. Yes, his criticism was moronic, but that is a completely separate issue from racial abuse on social media
The problem is it should be a separate issue but sadly it is not and comments like his do inspire hate-speech on social media.
Neither of them ‘make anyone racist’. Football is a different environment, with different racial nuances and stereotypes. Gary Neville appeals to a school of ‘fans’ who subscribe to certain views, and those views include thinking foreigners dive, players who dance are unprofessional in some way (and black), and that Pogba is arrogant and selfish and an English footballer is an honest footballer. It is an entire school of thought and era that in itself, was often racist. Speaking to those fans will often go hand in hand with inciting some racial stereotypes.Yes because Trump is a racist who airs his racist views.
Neville's comments last night gave a safe space for those that would like to express their view on penalty takers only.
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2 of our players have been racially abused in the last 6 months. It is also a United problem.It's not really a club problem. It's a twitter problem.
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Even after Solksjaer was interviewed and put any controversy to bed, Neville was still referring back to "senior players undermining a younger player, like we've seen tonight".
He's whipped up a lot of unnecessary controversy towards Pogba as a result.
He's whipped up a lot of unnecessary controversy towards Pogba as a result.
KennyBurner
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Pushing for a move to Madrid just to get 10• more racially abused makes a lot of sense. These are troll accounts and not United fans. You guys need to stop feeding into the bait. We are not chelsea fcDisgusting.
Sure he will push for a move in December,
We will end the season with Fred Pereira Mc Tominay and we ll be happy for sure.
Fans nowadays are such idiots
Paul deserves better than this. He should be challenging for all the major trophies with one of the top continental clubs, not be forced to carry this midtable sh*t to 4th place in the league. He should be celebrated as club hero, not be xenophobically vilified scapegoat, single-handedly responsible for the downfall of our once prestigious club.
Isn't it funny that Paul never had any issues in notoriously racist Italy, and yet he's targeted with this demented abuse in supposedly tolerant England? It seems that fans in Turin can recognise a world class player and outstanding personality like PP (they have several of those playing for Juventus), unlike some of the troglodytes here. They deserve nothing but the cringeworthy Brexit FC they want so much, with 80 million slabheads getting dribbled past by mediocre strikers and nobodies bought from Championship diving and being otherwise useless.
Paul deserves better.
Isn't it funny that Paul never had any issues in notoriously racist Italy, and yet he's targeted with this demented abuse in supposedly tolerant England? It seems that fans in Turin can recognise a world class player and outstanding personality like PP (they have several of those playing for Juventus), unlike some of the troglodytes here. They deserve nothing but the cringeworthy Brexit FC they want so much, with 80 million slabheads getting dribbled past by mediocre strikers and nobodies bought from Championship diving and being otherwise useless.
Paul deserves better.
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People who shout racist abuse don't need fuel from pundits. They just go. Neville should be criticized, but not for anything connected to thisNobody is saying he's to blame but he added fuel to the fire by singling out Pogba and using words like 'treachery'
Kostur
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I'd agree with you here if he called Pogba a cnut, a piece of shit, made some racial or stereotypical remark. But in this case no, Neville isn't second coming of Hitler and he isn't inspiring masses to show their true colours, he isn't and shouldn't be held responsible for a bunch of grown men who know exactly well what they are doing. Neither did he rally people to storm Pogba's twitter.it's not all Neville's fault obviously, but he should be more aware of the fact that his words can have an impact when it comes to social media and players, especially black players, especially in a week where black players have already been getting abused on social media, and especially when it's Paul Pogba, who is subjected to tonnes of abuse on social media already.
Even say, if you take the racism element out of things with Neville's comments, and don't attribute any of the racism to what he said, he should still be aware that what he says, in such a negative and overblown fashion, can have an impact on the fragile masses who follow football, and the idiots we've seen abuse players on social media over and over again.
Telling Nevilles of this world to shut up because there are people waiting to jump on somebody via twatter is like telling Pogba to delete his twitter account if he has a problem with the abuse. It doesn't solve anything.
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No, I'm pretty sure attacking someone because of / with the colour of their skin in fact means they're racist.This will never stop unfortunately, as long as different skin complexions exist people will always use it to attack others; even if they aren't necessarily true racists. Real shame!!