Penalty taker - Ole needs to pick his men

RoadTrip · Aug 20, 2019

This is ridiculously being blown out of proportion.

You don’t have to have a no. 1 and no. 2. You can and should have a pool if takers. And yeah usually there is a no. 1 and no. 2 but I don’t see why there has to be and I certainly don’t think it’s a huge issue as it is portrayed in the media, even if you disagree.

fergiesarmy1 · Aug 20, 2019

rpitroda said:
This is ridiculously being blown out of proportion.

You don’t have to have a no. 1 and no. 2. You can and should have a pool if takers. And yeah usually there is a no. 1 and no. 2 but I don’t see why there has to be and I certainly don’t think it’s a huge issue as it is portrayed in the media, even if you disagree.

It does not look good on the pitch, it needs sorting out before they step onto the pitch. Sums up the last 6 years though.

Amar__ · Aug 20, 2019

fergiesarmy1 said:
It does not look good on the pitch, it needs sorting out before they step onto the pitch. Sums up the last 6 years though.

Yeah, it's quite ridiculous to start a gane without setting things like corner taker, PK takers, free kick takers, etc. Those things are decided before the game even at amateur level.

bosnian_red · Aug 20, 2019

Rashford should take them. Really not a big deal though. Pogba until this one had a decent record, nothing amazing but it was an average record. He took a decent pen, keeper just saved it. It happens. Pogba, martial and Rashford all can take good pens and I wouldnt be surprised to see them all take more pens over the season. It would be great if we had a specialist set piece taker for corners, pens and free kicks who was actually quality at them, but nobody specifically excels at them. So it happens.

fergiesarmy1 · Aug 20, 2019

bosnian_red said:
Rashford should take them. Really not a big deal though. Pogba until this one had a decent record, nothing amazing but it was an average record. He took a decent pen, keeper just saved it. It happens. Pogba, martial and Rashford all can take good pens and I wouldnt be surprised to see them all take more pens over the season. It would be great if we had a specialist set piece taker for corners, pens and free kicks who was actually quality at them, but nobody specifically excels at them. So it happens.

He’s missed 4 of his last 10? Not sure how that can be called decent. Even at amateur level you would be relieved of penalty duty with that record.

Samid · Aug 20, 2019

Last season we had Pogba, Martial, Lingard and Rash all taking them. This season we've already had two different players in two games. Also if Pogba is supposed to be one of two designated takers, why did fecking Mata take one against Kristiansund instead?

Can't believe how careless and neglecting we are in department, especially considering we easily could get 15+ pens in all comps with the pace in our attack.

RoadTrip · Aug 20, 2019

fergiesarmy1 said:
It does not look good on the pitch, it needs sorting out before they step onto the pitch. Sums up the last 6 years though.

Amar__ said:
Yeah, it's quite ridiculous to start a gane without setting things like corner taker, PK takers, free kick takers, etc. Those things are decided before the game even at amateur level.

But it has been decided. It’s been decided that Pogba or Rashford can take the penalties. You can disagree with the fact that he’s decided not to just pick one, but you can’t act like it’s not been decided.

Grylte · Aug 20, 2019

Rash and Pogba discussed it om the pitch and agreed.
Didn't anyone see this? I'm sure those two are picked by Solskjær.
Bit silly blaming Solskjær for not having picked one when it's quite obvious he picked them and they decided.

neilv93 · Aug 20, 2019

NinjaZombie said:
You can click on the vote count and see who voted for that option.

Ah ffs, I'm such a N00B.

fergiesarmy1 · Aug 20, 2019

Grylte said:
Rash and Pogba discussed it om the pitch and agreed.
Didn't anyone see this? I'm sure those two are picked by Solskjær.
Bit silly blaming Solskjær for not having picked one when it's quite obvious he picked them and they decided.

Do you agree with that system? Ole is my boy but he’s got to sort that bullshit out.

gregor · Aug 20, 2019

Rashford, Martial, Pogba. In that order.

romufc · Aug 20, 2019

Grylte said:
Rash and Pogba discussed it om the pitch and agreed.
Didn't anyone see this? I'm sure those two are picked by Solskjær.
Bit silly blaming Solskjær for not having picked one when it's quite obvious he picked them and they decided.

Agreed, I don't see the big issue in this.

Anyone can miss a penalty. Simple as. If Rashford took it and missed, the polls would have been even. He is the senior player, well respected in the dressing room, and a leader.

Grylte · Aug 20, 2019

fergiesarmy1 said:
Do you agree with that system? Ole is my boy but he’s got to sort that bullshit out.

Yeah, i agree with a system with more penalty takers.
A player who has been playing well, will have confidence to score, while someone who had a few misses, might not.

I do think Rashford should be nr 1, but have no problem with Pogba on pens either, had he scored noone would even think about this.

Nikelesh Reddy · Aug 20, 2019

Rashford should be our first choice designated penalty taker.When he’s on the pitch,he should be taking all the penalties...

Enigma_87 · Aug 20, 2019

rpitroda said:
This is ridiculously being blown out of proportion.

It's really not. 2 points difference could be CL qualification for next year or not.

Those are the basics and as somebody said even on amateur level you have your penalty taker from the off.

fergiesarmy1 · Aug 20, 2019

Grylte said:
Yeah, i agree with a system with more penalty takers.
A player who has been playing well, will have confidence to score, while someone who had a few misses, might not.

I do think Rashford should be nr 1, but have no problem with Pogba on pens either, had he scored noone would even think about this.

But open discussion on the pitch? I’m sure the goalkeeper took some encouragement from it as well.

Schmeichel's Cartwheel · Aug 20, 2019

1. Rashford
2. Mata
3. Martial
4. Pogba

gza the genius · Aug 20, 2019

I think after yesterday it should be Rashford but I do think the media/everyone else is making this a much bigger deal than it should be. Ole, Pogba and Rashford were all seemingly confident and comfortable having Pogba take it yesterday after he earned it. He missed, it happens.

If Rashford took it and missed you'd have people moaning that Pogba won the penalty and looked confident so he should have taken it.

MalBot · Aug 20, 2019

I always found not having a clear no. 1 penalty taker is asking for trouble. By all means have a no. 1, no. 2 etc. So if in a game the no. 2 feels confident and wants to take it, he can ask no. 1. If you have 2 players with equal rights to penalties, what happens if they can't agree on who should take it? Let them sort it out on the pitch?

romufc · Aug 20, 2019

Enigma_87 said:
It's really not. 2 points difference could be CL qualification for next year or not.

Those are the basics and as somebody said even on amateur level you have your penalty taker from the off.

So are you saying that Rashford would never miss a penalty? Grow up, penalties can be missed by anyone.

Velvet Revolver · Aug 20, 2019

rpitroda said:
This is ridiculously being blown out of proportion.

You don’t have to have a no. 1 and no. 2. You can and should have a pool if takers. And yeah usually there is a no. 1 and no. 2 but I don’t see why there has to be and I certainly don’t think it’s a huge issue as it is portrayed in the media, even if you disagree.

I swear! Everything has to be dramatic these days. Player missing a penalty is normal. A good player missing a penalty doesn't make him lesser one and an average player scoring one does not making him great either.

Imagine if social media existed when Baggio missed his penalty in 94!

SCJY · Aug 20, 2019

Cantona is the best penalty taker ever in a United shirt. He only missed 1 out of 16, giving him a conversion rate of 87.5% and for the vast majority of them, he sent the keeping the wrong way.

Ronaldo is second 84.6% (11/13)
RVN, third 81.8% (18/22)

fergiesarmy1 · Aug 20, 2019

gza the genius said:
I think after yesterday it should be Rashford but I do think the media/everyone else is making this a much bigger deal than it should be. Ole, Pogba and Rashford were all seemingly confident and comfortable having Pogba take it yesterday after he earned it. He missed, it happens.

If Rashford took it and missed you'd have people moaning that Pogba won the penalty and looked confident so he should have taken it.

I always preferred Thierry henry’s approach, if he won it he didn’t take it (unless I’d stuck a few quid on him :lol:

)

Inigo Montoya · Aug 20, 2019

romufc said:
So are you saying that Rashford would never miss a penalty? Grow up, penalties can be missed by anyone.

And of course dropping 2 points in an away game( the 2nd PL match of the season) we should have won is going to have a huge bearing come end of season :rolleyes:

fergiesarmy1 · Aug 20, 2019

SCJY said:
Cantona is the best penalty taker ever in a United shirt. He only missed 1 out of 16, giving him a conversion rate of 87.5% and for the vast majority of them, he sent the keeping the wrong way.

Ronaldo is second 84.6% (11/13)
RVN, third 81.8% (18/22)

Where was Irwin and Bruce out of interest if you’ve got the info?

Inigo Montoya · Aug 20, 2019

SCJY said:
Cantona is the best penalty taker ever in a United shirt. He only missed 1 out of 16, giving him a conversion rate of 87.5% and for the vast majority of them, he sent the keeping the wrong way.

Ronaldo is second 84.6% (11/13)
RVN, third 81.8% (18/22)

How's Denis Irwin's? Wonderful dead ball specialist

Enigma_87 · Aug 20, 2019

romufc said:
So are you saying that Rashford would never miss a penalty? Grow up, penalties can be missed by anyone.

I'm saying we should have a designated (1) penalty taker on the pitch. If he misses fair enough.

romufc · Aug 20, 2019

Inigo Montoya said:
And of course dropping 2 points in an away game( the 2nd PL match of the season) we should have won is going to have a huge bearing come end of season

So everytime someone misses a guilt edge chance we should crucify them ? When a defender makes a mistake they should be replaced? If Maguire makes a mistake we should bring Smalling back into the first team?

Inigo Montoya · Aug 20, 2019

romufc said:
So everytime someone misses a guilt edge chance we should crucify them ? When a defender makes a mistake they should be replaced? If Maguire makes a mistake we should bring Smalling back into the first team?

Precisely! Of course that's what I was implying

KristianMackle · Aug 20, 2019

This whole "fiasco" is embarrassing. It's almost like nobody ever misses penalties ever and Rashford is dead cert to make all of his penalties throughout his career. Pogba is not Chris Smalling; why is he taking a penalty become such a gargantuan topic? So what if he missed? He'll help us win more points than not throughout the season anyway.

It's gone so far, you have people questioning Ole's leadership! Because Paul Pogba takes a penalty and happens to miss?

I think I need to log off for while....

The Brown Bull · Aug 20, 2019

I think it’s bad management.OGS should nominate a no1 penalty taker who should take them if they are on the pitch.You can’t leave it to players to decide on the day.

romufc · Aug 20, 2019

Enigma_87 said:
I'm saying we should have a designated (1) penalty taker on the pitch. If he misses fair enough.

I agree that we need to have one designated taker. Last season this was Pogba, there has been no reason to change. In the first game Rashford took it, maybe took it of Pogba but Pogba didn't create a scene.

So the next game Pogba gets a penalty, he would be taking it because he has been our designated Penalty taker for the past couple years.

romufc · Aug 20, 2019

Inigo Montoya said:
Precisely! Of course that's what I was implying

Fans.

Probably more suited to supporting City or Chelsea.

Inigo Montoya · Aug 20, 2019

The Brown Bull said:
I think it’s bad management.OGS should nominate a no1 penalty taker who should take them if they are on the pitch.You can’t leave it to players to decide on the day.

One penalty taker. The same even if they miss one.

I saw RVN miss one or two, he still stood up and took the next one

ivaldo · Aug 20, 2019

fergiesarmy1 said:
It does not look good on the pitch, it needs sorting out before they step onto the pitch. Sums up the last 6 years though.

Why does it? Pogba and Rashford are the two takers. Whoever was confident of scoring at the time takes the penalty. There was no argument, no debate. It took all of 5 seconds. It’s only an issue because he missed. Would this thread exist if he scored?

Enigma_87 · Aug 20, 2019

romufc said:
I agree that we need to have one designated taker. Last season this was Pogba, there has been no reason to change. In the first game Rashford took it, maybe took it of Pogba but Pogba didn't create a scene.

So the next game Pogba gets a penalty, he would be taking it because he has been our designated Penalty taker for the past couple years.

We need to start every game knowing who is going to take a penalty, not decide on the pitch, that's basics.

Pogba shouldn't take our penalties, his record is poor. Rashford should be our main taker then Mata/Martial.

Especially with VAR we need to practice it and the best one should be taking all the penos when he's on the pitch.

Inigo Montoya · Aug 20, 2019

romufc said:
Fans. Probably more suited to supporting City or Chelsea.

I've been supporting Utd long enough to know that one game doesn't make a season so don't understand fans' view that, " that game will cost us." We will pinch a win when least deserved so wonder what the comments will be then

As SAF used to say after a tough away point, It's a point gained, not lost.

romufc · Aug 20, 2019

Enigma_87 said:
We need to start every game knowing who is going to take a penalty, not decide on the pitch, that's basics.

Pogba shouldn't take our penalties, his record is poor. Rashford should be our main taker then Mata/Martial.

Especially with VAR we need to practice it and the best one should be taking all the penos when he's on the pitch.

The best penalty taker takes penalties.

But it has to be noted that Rashford has only taken 3 for United. So the data compare to Pogba is not huge.

I do agree that Pogba has to realise that Rashford seems a better penalty taker and for the better of the team should hand them over to him.

fergiesarmy1 · Aug 20, 2019

ivaldo said:
Why does it? Pogba and Rashford are the two takers. Whoever was confident of scoring at the time takes the penalty. There was no argument, no debate. It took all of 5 seconds. It’s only an issue because he missed. Would this thread exist if he scored?

Well It obviously doesn’t bother you but nearly everyone where I was watching it wasn’t happy.

No, but he did and his success rate is poor so obviously merits discussion.

romufc · Aug 20, 2019

Inigo Montoya said:
I've been supporting Utd long enough to know that one game doesn't make a season so don't understand fans' view that, " that game will cost us." We will pinch a win when least deserved so wonder what the comments will be then

As SAF used to say after a tough away point, It's a point gained, not lost.

I am not the one saying it is going to cost us Champions League like some of the fans on here.

I too am frustrated that we didn't score a Penalty but I wouldn't crucify someone for missing a penalty saying ohh now you have cost us Champions League 2 games into a season.

Its 38 games, believe it or not Pogba will win us points.

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