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Alabaster Codify7 said:
I thought those 90mins perfectly highlighted why Luke Shaw needs to be replaced and demoted to a squad player next summer.

Offensively he didn't offer a single thing. His corners (I have no idea why he's taking them, that's on Ole) were pointless. Defensively, he was led a merry dance by a kick-and-run speed merchant, Traore, who pretty much murked him for 45mins.

I've said many times before, at his best Luke Shaw is a 7/10 player, reliable but completely forgettable. Compare him to Irwin, Evra and even Heinze and ask yourself "is this good enough for Man Utd's full-time LB"?

Not for me, not if we have ambition.

Upgrade needed in the summer window.
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Shaw is the least of our problems next summer. Yeah he's not Evra or Irwin but it';s hardly a fair comparison given they're two of the best PL left backs ever, unless you know of another left back we can sign who's as good as them without fecking up our transfer budget for other areas we desperately need to strengthen way more?

Shaw is fine, he's solid, he's not amazing but he's not really a problem either. He's a solid 6 or 7 out of 10 player every game and we may find an upgrade on that at some point but until we sort out other areas of the pitch I'm not really bothered if we don't.
 

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Tarrou said:
It wasn't once though, was it?

And it's true, unlike your post which was fictional.
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What other attacks did he muster?

Did you watch him in the second half? It was like watching a replay constantly because he did the same thing over and over again. Pass responsibility to a centre back.
 

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He had a weird game. He would get out wide but often would just pass it back when there was so much space to run to the byline and cross it back. The one time he got the ball and went forward, it created an overload and we scored (he was also in position had Martial not been there).
 

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acnumber9 said:
What other attacks did he muster?

Did you watch him in the second half? It was like watching a replay constantly because he did the same thing over and over again. Pass responsibility to a centre back.
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It’s like people don’t actually watch him and just assume he’s doing a good job. He was awful in that second half. Lazy in recovery no imagination going forward. He was literally just there. Not good enough and the day we upgrade will probably be the only day his fanatics understand what we have been saying for over a year now.
 

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Sylar said:
He had a weird game. He would get out wide but often would just pass it back when there was so much space to run to the byline and cross it back. The one time he got the ball and went forward, it created an overload and we scored (he was also in position had Martial not been there).
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Story of his career post leg break isn't it. He still seems scared to attack and yet when he does he's really good at it (he created the goal at Wolves last season for Rashford with his only attack). Really is annoying he doesn't have more confidence in himself
 

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Luke Shaw had a great second half, in which one of his forward runs led to a goal. Second half though he would run a little then pass it to a centre half LvG style.
 

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Mainoldo said:
It’s like people don’t actually watch him and just assume he’s doing a good job. He was awful in that second half. Lazy in recovery no imagination going forward. He was literally just there. Not good enough and the day we upgrade will probably be the only day his fanatics understand what we have been saying for over a year now.
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The discussion was about whether or not Shaw attacked more than once. Quite clearly, he did.

I take it you disagree then? Or did you just not read the post you replied to?
 

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He is now the weakest link in our defence. Made some decent runs last night in the first half when we were dominating, but as soon as Traore come on he began to struggle slightly. Seen it in the Chelsea game, also. Managers are now targeting him as they know he's our weakest point in defence.
 

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The discussion was about whether or not Shaw attacked more than once. Quite clearly, he did.

I take it you disagree then? Or did you just not read the post you replied to?
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I was responding to his second paragraph. Maybe you need to understand what I wrote. But I’ve explained it now.
 

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Another poor performance, not that good going forward and the weakest of the back four defensively
 

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Seemed to lag in the 2nd half. Didn't look to travel forward with the ball at all. Fitness needs to improve as the best fullbacks can run all day.
 

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RussellWilson said:
We should have got Tierney for 25m. That's peanuts in this market. Even bloody Rose would be an upgrade.

Don't like Dalot on the left as he loses his best quality, his right foot cross. So it'll be Shaw all season. He doesn't even need to do anything with a lot of quality, just sprint wide to occupy the full back but he doesn't even do that. Just gets a to the edge the area and stops.
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Williams can step in.
 

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i wouldnt say he was poor, anybody would have troubles with Traore. Defensivelly he was fine, even from supporting role. Only thing which iritates me is when he has ball and space he stops and always need many touches, almost never see him quick up build up by first touch pass
 

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He needs to improve his stamina, the coaching team should give him a special programme to follow. He seems like he's behind the rest of the team in terms of fitness.
 

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Game of 2 halves. decent 1st, got rinsed the 2nd
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would agree with this

looked gassed in the second half

I thought at the start of Jose's reign that Shaw's fitness was an issue, but then he seemed to have fixed it

saying that its only the second game, hopefully he'll improve and rediscover his form from the start of last season
 

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He needs to improve his stamina, the coaching team should give him a special programme to follow. He seems like he's behind the rest of the team in terms of fitness.
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He's been built since he was younger but it does look like he's keeping it up or adding weights instead of leaning down. It's a problem I've got with a lot of footballers. Even at his worst shape I recall Rooney being less..erm.. bulky (not sure if it's the right description)

Zouma is a great example. He's leaned down significantly since his big injury. I think it's going to help him tremendously through the season both for fitness and keeping injury free.
 

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We seriously have human beings in this world who expected Shaw to keep attacking with Adama Traore attacking his wing the entire second half? And with wolves making every effort to feed Traore the ball all half long to keep Shaw pinned in his own half? SERIOUSLY?
A Traore who is a) quicker than even Daniel James b) a natural dribbler c) built like a tank. And whose only weakness is absence of vision and low on the ball intelligence?
 

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Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
We seriously have human beings in this world who expected Shaw to keep attacking with Adama Traore attacking his wing the entire second half? And with wolves making every effort to feed Traore the ball all half long to keep Shaw pinned in his own half? SERIOUSLY?
A Traore who is a) quicker than even Daniel James b) a natural dribbler c) built like a tank. And whose only weakness is absence of vision and low on the ball intelligence?
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The only thing Shaw could have done (a big if because it's very tough) is get to the ball before Adama received it because otherwise he gets sized up, it's impossible to stop Adama. I'm not blaming Shaw for being less fast than a monster.
 

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The lack of support when defending wide was alarming during a lot of moments on this game. This exposed Shaw a lot to one-on-one situations.

Unless you have to chase the result and take risks, a defender in 1-on-1 situations is rarely a good thing. it will drag the all defense with him.
 

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I'm usually pretty critical of what he offers but I actually thought he had a very good first half :lol: It's funny how people can interpret things so differently.

I think his upper body looks massive. Definitely been hitting the weights.
 

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You can see why Jose was so hard on Shaw

Look at yesterday as a prime example, his problems began when Wolves bought on Traore, a kick-and-run merchant. The problem Shaw has is that for whatever reason, whether it's fitness, laziness, attitude or just poor positioning, he doesn't get close enough to the opposition winger to effect them early enough

What I mean by that is with a player like Traore, you know all he has is pace. Therefore, you need to get tight enough to instantly be on his first-touch, making it difficult for him to turn and run at you. Bear in mind, ANY half-decent PL attacker SHOULD beat any half-decent PL full-back in a one-vs-one situation IF they can get running at them directly at speed.

Watch Shaw last night. Every time Traore received the ball, Shaw was 4/5 yards away. This allows Traore to get the ball under control, turn and pick up speed BEFORE Shaw engages. It's basic really. Shaw has every attribute, I just cannot comprehend why he defends this way.....maybe it's arrogance or comes from always being the best player in his side at every age group and always being able to trust his natural ability/pace...? Whatever it is, no wonder Jose was frustrated as their is a player in there. As I've said, Jose doesn't waste time with lost causes, he wouldn't have been so critical of Shaw if he didn't think he COULD do better
 

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Hard to be too critical of last night as he had a tough job and needed to be especially careful given the circumstances (brick wall moving at lightning speed), but I think that the problem with him is often that he's not brave enough to do the business in attack. It will expose him at times but I think you need to be willing to do that. He did it for the goal and it worked a treat.
 

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So the guy who was one of our top three performers last year, who has played not that different so far this year, is now a huge problem. He may not be a worldbeater, but he is quite far down the list of guys I think need replacing or areas that need strengthening. At the end of the day, unless we signing five or so first teamers (in areas that need more attention) over the next 12 months(unlikely), he should still be our starting left back next year.

Weird the hate he gets.
 

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Lentwood said:
You can see why Jose was so hard on Shaw

Look at yesterday as a prime example, his problems began when Wolves bought on Traore, a kick-and-run merchant. The problem Shaw has is that for whatever reason, whether it's fitness, laziness, attitude or just poor positioning, he doesn't get close enough to the opposition winger to effect them early enough

What I mean by that is with a player like Traore, you know all he has is pace. Therefore, you need to get tight enough to instantly be on his first-touch, making it difficult for him to turn and run at you. Bear in mind, ANY half-decent PL attacker SHOULD beat any half-decent PL full-back in a one-vs-one situation IF they can get running at them directly at speed.

Watch Shaw last night. Every time Traore received the ball, Shaw was 4/5 yards away. This allows Traore to get the ball under control, turn and pick up speed BEFORE Shaw engages. It's basic really. Shaw has every attribute, I just cannot comprehend why he defends this way.....maybe it's arrogance or comes from always being the best player in his side at every age group and always being able to trust his natural ability/pace...? Whatever it is, no wonder Jose was frustrated as their is a player in there. As I've said, Jose doesn't waste time with lost causes, he wouldn't have been so critical of Shaw if he didn't think he COULD do better
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So you wanted him to be 'touch tight' to a guy who is
A) twice his speed
B) stronger than him
C) with exceptional ball control
Seriously?
 

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He's a solid player, but he seems to lack the confidence(or maybe the ability) to cross the ball. It's the same every time: get in a good position, stop, pass the ball back.
 

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He was so good for that few early games of 2015-16 season before injury against PSV but that’s already 4 years ago and he has never really got to that level again.
 

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He's positioning is quite bad while defending. He rarely manages to stop the cross coming in. After watching AWB completely lock down the right side, Shaw's shortcoming has been thrown into light all of sudden. Definitely needs to be upgraded.
 

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spaceboyRSA said:
So the guy who was one of our top three performers last year, who has played not that different so far this year, is now a huge problem. He may not be a worldbeater, but he is quite far down the list of guys I think need replacing or areas that need strengthening. At the end of the day, unless we signing five or so first teamers (in areas that need more attention) over the next 12 months(unlikely), he should still be our starting left back next year.

Weird the hate he gets.
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There are a core of fans here who will never have enough.

The team could have 11 Messi’s and one of those would be a weak link, a disgrace, not fit to wear the shirt.

I suspect many of these fans are fairly young and have known nothing but the success Fergie brought and having dined out royally on it are struggling to come to terms with reality.

I hope people adjust over time as otherwise they are going to have a miserable few years ahead, and we here are going to have to listen to rant after rant about player after player because some people’s lives have holes that can never be filled.

Ear defenders at the ready...
 

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Thought he was good for most of yesterday, certainly better than against Chelsea. Looked fecked once Adama came on though.
 

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Alabaster Codify7 said:
I thought those 90mins perfectly highlighted why Luke Shaw needs to be replaced and demoted to a squad player next summer.

Offensively he didn't offer a single thing. His corners (I have no idea why he's taking them, that's on Ole) were pointless. Defensively, he was led a merry dance by a kick-and-run speed merchant, Traore, who pretty much murked him for 45mins.

I've said many times before, at his best Luke Shaw is a 7/10 player, reliable but completely forgettable. Compare him to Irwin, Evra and even Heinze and ask yourself "is this good enough for Man Utd's full-time LB"?

Not for me, not if we have ambition.

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1. You probably missed our goal
2. You probably don't know much about Adama Traore
 

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Loses argument. Takes moral highground.
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There's no win/loss is there? Its how we see it. For me he's not doing enough and is playing mediocre, for you he is great, people and assholes and all that.
 

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Honestly the folk defending him were probably the ones defending Smalling, Jones etc over the last few seasons.

He’d the worst left back in the top 8 easily.
 

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For all the odd ones thinking Shaw did a decent job vs Adama can you tell me how AWB would have defended him? Also why is it acceptable to be gassed out in the 60th minute and accept the mediocrity that is associated with that after? ‘He had to sit back’, ‘he couldn’t get as close to him’, ‘he couldn’t make as many runs forward’,’he couldn’t do much in possession’. These are some of the comments being made in sympathy for his mediocrity.

Why are you accepting that at Manchester United?

It’s really odd. It’s like I’m in 2008 reading a mid table team forum about their full back when they just played United and United brought on C.Ronaldo in the 60th minute.
 

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Gives me the impression he's contended with thinking he's cemented his place in Olle's line-up as our best LB. We've percevered with him far too long. He's just not good enough and never will be.
 
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