Yeah that's the case too. Apart from all that, KdB is among top 10 when it comes to losing possession via unsuccessful touches and dispossessed(tackled I guess). So saying he won't lose possession as often is silly thing to say.
... you quote me as ...
... although I excplitly stated ...
... and then accuse me of using strawman arguments? Wow.
Shows how fecking clueless your entire argument is. KdB losing possession bit less times than Pogba means feck all as prototype Pep player is someone who doesn't. So Pogba can't play under Pep is just nonsense.
and now considering total assists when KdB played more mins. Gerrard and Lampard were key players in a CL-winning team. When De Bruyne wins a CL, I might involve him in conversations of all-time PL midfield greats but not yet.
That doesn't make them better players than De Bruyne empirically speaking.
It always strikes me as odd that some people rate individual players based on team achievements. Is Wijnaldum now one of the greatest CMs seen as he was a key player in a CL winning side? de Bruyne has given some excellent performances for City in Europe, against PSG under Pellegrini and last season in the home leg against Spurs he was imperious. But because Aguero missed a penalty in the first leg and VAR gave an offside in the second leg, de Bruyne has lost his chance to be rated as highly as others in your eyes. The truth is it shouldn't really matter. Watch Lampard, Gerrard and de Bruyne play and rate them based on their performances, not how far the team they represent has progressed in a competition.
Funny that you find that funny because you were the one who did it first when you posted that image, remember? I happily focus on the 2018/19 stats since they show the difference in playstyle even more drastically.KdB's 2017-18 is compared to Pogba's 2018=19,
You've got a point here. Pogba played 3012 minutes in 2018/19, de Bruyne 3085 in 17/18. I'm sure Pogba would've turned this statistic upside down if he had played those additional 73 minutes.
As I said, de Bruyne is not a prototype Pep player but he is much closer to that concept than Pogba. The stats show it but everybody with eyes and a football brain should see it anyway. Pep's system revolves around ball circulation and patience. There's hardly any top midfielder who's more "head through the wall" and lets the ball circulate less than Pogba. If you don't believe me for whatever reasons, here are more than enough people who criticize him for clinging to the ball. I mean, it couldn't be more obvious.
Did it ever occur to you that Pogba and Messi play in different positions?
fecking hell, shifting goal posts, loads of nonsense. In short, typical Zehner post. Maybe I should call Prototype Zehner post.Guardiola isn't that rigid in my opinion. Pogba is arguably more talented than all of those players and would obviously be a key player for City.
Is that your default argument? Sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming 'SHUT UP! YOU'RE SHIFTING GOAL POSTS!'?
Pogba is probably the least popular player on this forum considering he just spent all summer trying to leave.
It's not default argument, it's used when necessary, usually when you make any posts outside Bundesliga thread or Messi/Ronaldo thread. You posts on Pogba are just ridiculous and actually shows how clueless you are. You just make up things with every post and I know this as you did this in few arguments with me.
He had a similar player in Yaya in Barcelona and we all know how that went out. If he fancied such players there' s also the question why he never went for them at his clubs and instead focused on the players who are typically associated with him. I think Guardiola didn't buy a single player of Pogba's profile throughout his whole career. He was never even interested in those dynamic and strong midfielders.
I make up things?
I make up things?
Whatever mate. If that makes you feel better, enjoy. Don't want to burst the bubble you're defending so hard.
Yaya Toure is a dramatically different player to Pogba.
To add to that, Lampard's legacy as one of the great PL midfielders was secure long before he eventually won the CL in 2012. He had clearly proved himself at that level with his performances for Chelsea through the 2000s even though they fell narrowly short on a few occasions.
Don't get me wrong, Pogba has amazing abilities. I just don't think he's a great fit for a possession based team because it would go completely against his DNA.
You should have watched tonight's game. Best player on the pitch and a one-man midfield, who played within himself, was involved with every part of our game AND he wasn't even that great.
This isn't a fair way to look at things. By this standard, James Milner is a better midfielder than a prime Paul Scholes.
Easily better player than both. Not even close imo. Specially Lampard aint fit to lace his boots
In what way is it not close? Some way along the line i think you may have confused De Bruyne for matthaus.
Pogba would get into that city side any day of the week. He's comfortable playing in a double pivot, as a no 6 / 8 in a midfield three and further up as a number 10. Pogba would be more versatile to pep's system than Silva, De Bryune and Gundogan. Cannot really fault paul for the fact that since he's been at United we have had very underwhelming coaches including Solskjaer when it comes to the art of keeping possession. The only nuisance with Pogba is that he needs a disciplined midfielder either behind or alongside to cover his defensive frailties, he switches off out of possession and that's most likely the biggest gripe he would have in a Guardiola team.
Wrong. There is no way Pogba would be more versatile than De Bruyne. De Bruyne can play as a 6 next to the holder, as an attacking 8, as a right forward and also as z left forward. Thats 4 positions. What 4 positions can Pogba play?
I disagree Pogba can and has played in left midfield (wide) no 6 / 8 and as a 10. The key is versatility in the midfield. Pep will always use forwards who exceed at running with the ball in tight spaces something that Sterling and Bernardo / Sane do well.
City, like Liverpool are about the sum of their parts. We, are not. Ole is working on it but still a long way off how well drilled these 2 sides are.
It is a bit. 9 key passes is a exceptional total in one game when you consider that Maddison had the highest average total over last season with 2.8 per game. KDB already has 5 'big chances' created on the the Premier League website which is 1/6 of the highest total last year already.
Look at the heat map, KDB played so high up the pitch.
Doesn't matter where he was playing, 9 key passes for any player in one game is exceptional and rare, especially when so many were clear chances.
Of course it matters haha
Sofascore have them.
You're comparing a game where KDB did something exceptional with a game where Pogba was all over the place, for all the good things he did he did just as many terrible things, he lost the ball through bad touches and dispossessions 9 times, add that to his misplaced passes and he turned the ball over 24 times to Chelsea! He was playing in the position of greatest responsibility when it comes to looking after the ball too.
