LonelyFire
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The short answer is yes. MCU now has free reign over X-Men, Fantastic Four etc.Does that include the rights of all franchises?
By that logic, Disney could release the new Alien movie.
The short answer is yes. MCU now has free reign over X-Men, Fantastic Four etc.Does that include the rights of all franchises?
By that logic, Disney could release the new Alien movie.
Sony is Sony.What's the connection between Sony, Disney and Marvel? Who owns what?
I’m kinda feeling the same way. The next movies look weird, I’ll probably give them a chance but I can’t help but feel that after end game/ FFH I’m almost done with it.Good on Sony for the decision, Disney can feck off with that demand.
Spider-man will be fine, next phase of MCU will be a mess anyway. MCU finished with the Endgame for me.
Have to laugh at this...Hard blow to the MCU. Not sure Cpt.Marvel, Black Panther and the Guardians of the Galaxy can't mantain the 1-2 billion level of 2012-19. Also, it's sad that Fox still has the rights of Fantastic 4 and X-Men; the last movies of both franchises have been awful, and by that I mean franchise-killers.
If DCEU plays their cards right, we may witness a changing of the guard (WW and Aquaman very popular, upcoming Batman and Joker movies, etc).
Good. Laughing always purifies the soul.Have to laugh at this...
"Poor Marvel might struggle to break $1 billion. Disgusting Sony weasels."
The loyalty people have to these all-consuming companies is mental. Reading through the Marvel subreddit is incredible in a sad way. Feck the mouse.
Think it was easier to do as otherwise Marvel would have paid shit load more trying to purchase Spidey back. Plus 100% on merchandise would offset it. I kinda get now why Sony dont want to give 50%, but I kinda also get why Marvel want half given they did all the work except promotion for it.Marvel really only take a 5% cut on spiderman films? Props to whoever at Sony negotiated that deal.
Night monkey with his Peter Tingle.Easily solution, kill Spiderman in the MCU and start making Night Monkey movies
5% seems too low a cut.Think it was easier to do as otherwise Marvel would have paid shit load more trying to purchase Spidey back. Plus 100% on merchandise would offset it. I kinda get now why Sony dont want to give 50%, but I kinda also get why Marvel want half given they did all the work except promotion for it.
Seems fair. Sony make the film entirely themselves and fund it too. Disney asking for 50% of profits for a film they don't actually make is a bit greedy imo. Don't blame Sony for being frustrated with that. Disney have a stranglehold on films and cinema. But there should be room for other companies to make films they way they want too.Marvel really only take a 5% cut on spiderman films? Props to whoever at Sony negotiated that deal.
5% seems too low a cut.
i could see why Sony would balk at 50% though, that's a crazy increase.
maybe they will find a middle ground, something like 33% Disney 66% Sony.
They didn’t give them anything on merchandise - they have always belonged to Marvel, therefore, Disney. Sony have never had or never will have any claim to merchandise.Sony gave Disney 100% of the merchandising rights and Sony don't get a penny from any Avengers films Spiderman appears in, the current deal is probably already weighted in Disneys favour.
Eh, Spider-Man is a bonus to the MCU. That’s it. It’ll do just as well whether he’s there’s or not. He’s hardly an integral figure.Sony gave Disney 100% of the merchandising rights and Sony don't get a penny from any Avengers films Spiderman appears in, the current deal is probably already weighted in Disneys favour.
Spider-Man is the most popular marvel superhero, and it’s obvious they were planning on making his character a centerpiece of the new generation of marvel movies. I would say this is quite a blow.Eh, Spider-Man is a bonus to the MCU. That’s it. It’ll do just as well whether he’s there’s or not. He’s hardly an integral figure.
Maybe so, but they seemed to be doing alright prior to his arrival. He was a cherry on top.Spider-Man is the most popular marvel superhero, and it’s obvious they were planning on making his character a centerpiece of the new generation of marvel movies. I would say this is quite a blow.
I politely disagree. Sony's Spidey's show a degree of artistic integrity and vision. Marvel on the other hand make Happy Meals.feck off Sony. Disgusting weasels. The Sony Spider-Man movies sucked, especially the second one (unwatchable).
Pretty obvious we are going to get a Spider-Man vs Venom Sony movie, not set in the MCU, when we all thought it was going to be the other way around (Tom Hardy moving to the MCU).
Hard blow to the MCU. Not sure Cpt.Marvel, Black Panther and the Guardians of the Galaxy can't mantain the 1-2 billion level of 2012-19. Also, it's sad that Fox still has the rights of Fantastic 4 and X-Men; the last movies of both franchises have been awful, and by that I mean franchise-killers.
If DCEU plays their cards right, we may witness a changing of the guard (WW and Aquaman very popular, upcoming Batman and Joker movies, etc).
Video games rights have nothing to do with film rights, in fact Marvel can give Spiderman to any game developer they want, case in point Spiderman appears in the Nintendo exclusive Marvel game.Kind of funny that Sony just acquired Insomniac games who made the spider man games and now pulling out of the MCU.
They didn’t give them anything on merchandise - they have always belonged to Marvel, therefore, Disney. Sony have never had or never will have any claim to merchandise.
It says here they got the merchandise rights from Sony, either way it still doesn't change that Disney are currently getting all of the money outside of solo Spiderman movies. Sony pictures would be mental to hand 50% of their only guaranteed money maker over to Disney.Disney already bought the Spider-Man merchandising rights from Sony and now only pays an annual royalty of $30 million. That’s also why Disney can’t use merchandising revenue to accept a low share of Spider-Man box office profits, as the company stands to make a lot of money on Spider-Man merchandise regardless of which studio distributes the movies.
https://marvelstudiosnews.com/2019/08/22/why-disney-and-sony-value-spider-man-very-differently/
They were doing alright on the back of a supremely popular Iron man, a very good captain America and Thor. Iron man and Cap are no more, and it looks like they’re phasing out Thor as well. They have a lot of work to do to make this new generation of movies as good as the last one.Maybe so, but they seemed to be doing alright prior to his arrival. He was a cherry on top.
Wouldn't call them the stand outs of the genre. Don't come close to a fair few MCU films and the dark Knight trilogy.Watched Spiderman 1 and 2 recently (Toby Maguire version), and I feel like they must be standout films within the genre. Great score, too... what a piece of music this is:
I've not seen the more recent films, to be honest, but several years back I went on an absolute Marvel spree on the advice of a neighbour, and there wasn't much that felt memorable. Iron Man and Antman were good, though.
Really? Cause I rewatched them recently and thought they’ve aged terribly and were actually pretty naff. I used to love them when I was younger but rewatching them in my 20’s made me realised they’re definitely made for kids.Watched Spiderman 1 and 2 recently (Toby Maguire version), and I feel like they must be standout films within the genre. Great score, too... what a piece of music this is:
I've not seen the more recent films, to be honest, but several years back I went on an absolute Marvel spree on the advice of a neighbour, and there wasn't much that felt memorable. Iron Man and Antman were good, though.
I dunno... I really went on a rampage at one point and watched everything I had time to watch (Hulk, Captain America, Winter Soldier, Civil War, Age of Ultron, Thor, X-Men, etc). I'm gonna be honest, it's not the strongest film genre from what I've seen, although there is great potential. Dark Knight trilogy was really good, and Spiderman 1 and 2 were more towards that level of quality than, say, any of the Captain America/Avengers/Thor films I'd come across.Wouldn't call them the stand outs of the genre. Don't come close to a fair few MCU films and the dark Knight trilogy.
That's not controversial, that's fact.Really? Cause I rewatched them recently and thought they’ve aged terribly and were actually pretty naff. I used to love them when I was younger but rewatching them in my 20’s made me realised they’re definitely made for kids.
Controversial opinion, but Toby Maguire isn’t a great actor. Tom Holland is the best Spider-Man there’s been and it’s a shame it seems like his run has already ended.
I mean every has their own opinions. Infinity War, Endgame, guardians 1, winter soldier and Thor Ragnorak, and homecoming are (IMO) a lot better than the original spiderman series.I dunno... I really went on a rampage at one point and watched everything I had time to watch (Hulk, Captain America, Winter Soldier, Civil War, Age of Ultron, Thor, X-Men, etc). I'm gonna be honest, it's not the strongest film genre from what I've seen, although there is great potential. Dark Knight trilogy was really good, and Spiderman 1 and 2 were more towards that level of quality than, say, any of the Captain America/Avengers/Thor films I'd come across.
To be honest, some of these big budget superhero productions strike me as perhaps lacking uniqueness/flair. There was more soul in the Elfman/Raimi combo in my opinion, which just strikes me as rare in this genre. This was a great character:
I was going to say controversial opinion but Toby Maguire was the worst Spider-Man (he was) but I thought I’d generalise it a bit more by pointing out it’s because he’s a shite actorThat's not controversial, that's fact.
I mean every has their own opinions. Infinity War, Endgame, guardians 1, winter soldier and Thor Ragnorak, and homecoming are (IMO) a lot better than the original spiderman series.
I just want to point out that he also appeared in Far From HomeTo be honest, some of these big budget superhero productions strike me as perhaps lacking uniqueness/flair. There was more soul in the Elfman/Raimi combo in my opinion, which just strikes me as rare in this genre. This was a great character:
I said 'really good'.That's not controversial, that's fact.
I mean every has their own opinions. Infinity War, Endgame, guardians 1, winter soldier and Thor Ragnorak, and homecoming are (IMO) a lot better than the original spiderman series.
The dark Knight set the standard for years too, more than just "good".
and nowLooks like Disney and Sony can’t come to agreement.
https://deadline.com/2019/08/kevin-...nter-soldier-tom-rothman-bob-iger-1202672545/
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So same as before, one Sony/Spider-Man solo movie for every one Marvel/Avengers movie.Over the summer, news broke that the Disney, Marvel’s parent company, and Sony had reached an impasse over a new financing deal. Disney wanted the film to be financed on a 50/50 basis, with Feige remaining in a consulting producer capacity. Sony is believed to have proposed keeping the arrangement under the current terms, which stipulate that Marvel receives about 5% of first-dollar gross and all merchandising revenues.
The new deal was signed late on Thursday night. Negotiations involved top players from both studios, including Sony Pictures chief Tom Rothman, Feige and Walt Disney Studios co-chairs Alan Horn and Alan Bergman. In exchange for lending Feige’s producing prowess, Marvel and Disney will receive roughly 25% of the profits, according to insiders. Disney will retain its merchandising rights and will put up roughly a quarter of the financing. As part of the arrangement, Spider-Man will also appear in one future Marvel Studios film.
So one Sony/Spider-Man, one Marvel/Avengers, one Sony-Multiverse movie.“I am thrilled that Spidey’s journey in the MCU will continue, and I and all of us at Marvel Studios are very excited that we get to keep working on it,” Feige said in a statement. “Spider-Man is a powerful icon and hero whose story crosses all ages and audiences around the globe. He also happens to be the only hero with the superpower to cross cinematic universes, so as Sony continues to develop their own Spidey-verse you never know what surprises the future might hold.”