The short answer is yes. MCU now has free reign over X-Men, Fantastic Four etc.
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Good on Sony for the decision, Disney can feck off with that demand.
Spider-man will be fine, next phase of MCU will be a mess anyway. MCU finished with the Endgame for me.
Spider-man will be fine, next phase of MCU will be a mess anyway. MCU finished with the Endgame for me.
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Sony is Sony.
Disney owns Marvel.
Everybody on twitter says Disney should just go and buy Sony
I’m kinda feeling the same way. The next movies look weird, I’ll probably give them a chance but I can’t help but feel that after end game/ FFH I’m almost done with it.
Have to laugh at this...
"Poor Marvel might struggle to break $1 billion. Disgusting Sony weasels."
The loyalty people have to these all-consuming companies is mental. Reading through the Marvel subreddit is incredible in a sad way. Feck the mouse.
Marvel really only take a 5% cut on spiderman films? Props to whoever at Sony negotiated that deal.
Good. Laughing always purifies the soul.
Easily solution, kill Spiderman in the MCU and start making Night Monkey movies
Think it was easier to do as otherwise Marvel would have paid shit load more trying to purchase Spidey back. Plus 100% on merchandise would offset it. I kinda get now why Sony dont want to give 50%, but I kinda also get why Marvel want half given they did all the work except promotion for it.
Night monkey with his Peter Tingle.Easily solution, kill Spiderman in the MCU and start making Night Monkey movies
5% seems too low a cut.
i could see why Sony would balk at 50% though, that's a crazy increase.
maybe they will find a middle ground, something like 33% Disney 66% Sony.
Seems fair. Sony make the film entirely themselves and fund it too. Disney asking for 50% of profits for a film they don't actually make is a bit greedy imo. Don't blame Sony for being frustrated with that. Disney have a stranglehold on films and cinema. But there should be room for other companies to make films they way they want too.
I didn't think HomeComing and FFH were as great as everybody else thinks. Holland is good but the films have a frustrating Tony Stark problem. These films never feel like Spiderman solo films. More Stark and fiends. I want to see Spiderman come into his own without Stark's presence shadowing him.
Spiderman movies have always been a massive financial success. Even the amazing Spiderman 1 and 2 both made more than 700m despite their quality and without the oh so important help of the MCU.
I don't really see why they'd give Disney even something in the middle like 25%.
I don't really see why they'd give Disney even something in the middle like 25%.
Sony gave Disney 100% of the merchandising rights and Sony don't get a penny from any Avengers films Spiderman appears in, the current deal is probably already weighted in Disneys favour.
They didn’t give them anything on merchandise - they have always belonged to Marvel, therefore, Disney. Sony have never had or never will have any claim to merchandise.
Eh, Spider-Man is a bonus to the MCU. That’s it. It’ll do just as well whether he’s there’s or not. He’s hardly an integral figure.
Spider-Man is the most popular marvel superhero, and it’s obvious they were planning on making his character a centerpiece of the new generation of marvel movies. I would say this is quite a blow.
Maybe so, but they seemed to be doing alright prior to his arrival. He was a cherry on top.
I politely disagree. Sony's Spidey's show a degree of artistic integrity and vision. Marvel on the other hand make Happy Meals.
Video games rights have nothing to do with film rights, in fact Marvel can give Spiderman to any game developer they want, case in point Spiderman appears in the Nintendo exclusive Marvel game.
It says here they got the merchandise rights from Sony, either way it still doesn't change that Disney are currently getting all of the money outside of solo Spiderman movies. Sony pictures would be mental to hand 50% of their only guaranteed money maker over to Disney.
They were doing alright on the back of a supremely popular Iron man, a very good captain America and Thor. Iron man and Cap are no more, and it looks like they’re phasing out Thor as well. They have a lot of work to do to make this new generation of movies as good as the last one.
Disney wanted 50% of first exibithion profits, but they also would pay for 50% of the costs, not an unreasonable request.
Claims over the last day that the difference was much closer than first reported, Disney asked for 30% and Sony wanted 25% as the maximum and there's a lot of people teasing that it's already been resolved, possible announcement tomorrow. Thank feck.
Watched Spiderman 1 and 2 recently (Toby Maguire version), and I feel like they must be standout films within the genre. Great score, too... what a piece of music this is:
I've not seen the more recent films, to be honest, but several years back I went on an absolute Marvel spree on the advice of a neighbour, and there wasn't much that felt memorable. Iron Man and Antman were good, though.
I've not seen the more recent films, to be honest, but several years back I went on an absolute Marvel spree on the advice of a neighbour, and there wasn't much that felt memorable. Iron Man and Antman were good, though.
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Wouldn't call them the stand outs of the genre. Don't come close to a fair few MCU films and the dark Knight trilogy.
Really? Cause I rewatched them recently and thought they’ve aged terribly and were actually pretty naff. I used to love them when I was younger but rewatching them in my 20’s made me realised they’re definitely made for kids.
Controversial opinion, but Toby Maguire isn’t a great actor. Tom Holland is the best Spider-Man there’s been and it’s a shame it seems like his run has already ended.
I dunno... I really went on a rampage at one point and watched everything I had time to watch (Hulk, Captain America, Winter Soldier, Civil War, Age of Ultron, Thor, X-Men, etc). I'm gonna be honest, it's not the strongest film genre from what I've seen, although there is great potential. Dark Knight trilogy was really good, and Spiderman 1 and 2 were more towards that level of quality than, say, any of the Captain America/Avengers/Thor films I'd come across.
To be honest, some of these big budget superhero productions strike me as perhaps lacking uniqueness/flair. There was more soul in the Elfman/Raimi combo in my opinion, which just strikes me as rare in this genre. This was a great character:
That's not controversial, that's fact.
I mean every has their own opinions. Infinity War, Endgame, guardians 1, winter soldier and Thor Ragnorak, and homecoming are (IMO) a lot better than the original spiderman series.
The dark Knight set the standard for years too, more than just "good".
I was going to say controversial opinion but Toby Maguire was the worst Spider-Man (he was) but I thought I’d generalise it a bit more by pointing out it’s because he’s a shite actor
I just want to point out that he also appeared in Far From Home
You have to remember that the Raimi Spidey's were made before the Marvel Studios meat processing plant was fully up and running.
Love em or hate em it's easy to see a directorial voice in most of the big superhero films prior to the creative filmmaking process being turned into a homogeneous production line. Burton's Batmans, Nolan's Batmans, Raimi Spider-mans and Ang Lee's Hulk had varied levels of success but all clearly showed director finger prints on the finished product.
Now the big studios have realised that financially it's much safer to continue producing this brain-melting dirge, that'll be lapped up by the zombie fans, than to take a gamble on somebody's vision.
Love em or hate em it's easy to see a directorial voice in most of the big superhero films prior to the creative filmmaking process being turned into a homogeneous production line. Burton's Batmans, Nolan's Batmans, Raimi Spider-mans and Ang Lee's Hulk had varied levels of success but all clearly showed director finger prints on the finished product.
Now the big studios have realised that financially it's much safer to continue producing this brain-melting dirge, that'll be lapped up by the zombie fans, than to take a gamble on somebody's vision.
I said 'really good'.
I've a lot of time for some of the humour in Guardians of the Galaxy - that "finger to the throat means death/metaphor" bit was great, so yeah, I thought that stood out a bit more. There's just a bit more creativity and ambition in some of these films, and I see it in Spiderman 1 and 2. I still think it's underrated to be honest the beauty/feeling that a composer and director working really well in unison adds to a film. That combo is responsible for some of the absolute best scenes I've seen in film and television:
The end of Walkabout from Lost
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly ending duel
Rick and Morty with Mazzy Star
DBZ: Abridged - Trunks finding Gohan dead
etc
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly ending duel
Rick and Morty with Mazzy Star
DBZ: Abridged - Trunks finding Gohan dead
etc
I mean, how good is this...
People standing there doing almost literally nothing for 5 minutes, and it's one of the absolute most intense film scenes I've ever seen.
That's a very special scene, but this sort of combo runs well throughout Batman Begins and Spiderman 1 and 2, and it's an important thing in a film, for me - part of what gives a film uniqueness, beauty, etc. That sort of creative intent seems rare to me in these big budget superhero films, hence why I feel those first two Spiderman films stand out.
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The Raimi Spiderman’s have dated, and Maguire and Dunst are terrible leads, but they are certainly aesthetically interesting films, made with a discernible and individual sense of style...
The first Toby Maguire Spider-Man film is a triumph of craptastrophe and should be heralded as such. Every single scene is cringeworthy. The acting is worse than most television adverts...but it has that thing where it knows it's shite and just goes with it.
The second one was too long and boring and the third I stopped watching half way through because I thought that was the only fair thing to do.
The rebooted ones with that smug oil faced actor were terrible. I actively wanted him to die horribly.
Far From Home although I liked the characters a whole lot more was a bit shite, so I don't see the big fuss. It was more about Iron Man than it was about Spider-Man. Even the villain was just a rehash of the Iron Man 3 villain, and why anyone would think that was a good idea I don't know.
The second one was too long and boring and the third I stopped watching half way through because I thought that was the only fair thing to do.
The rebooted ones with that smug oil faced actor were terrible. I actively wanted him to die horribly.
Far From Home although I liked the characters a whole lot more was a bit shite, so I don't see the big fuss. It was more about Iron Man than it was about Spider-Man. Even the villain was just a rehash of the Iron Man 3 villain, and why anyone would think that was a good idea I don't know.
I expected a lot of this, given the hype; but it was fecking terrible. Most of the jokes fell flat, and the villain was laughably bad. Appallingly, embarrassingly bad. It’s really a kids/young adult’s movie. As a grown adult it is hard to enjoy a plot centred around the love interests of 16 year olds. One of my least favourite marvel films to date.
I rather spider man not be in Venoms universe. I want to see this Spider-Man interact with a better Eddie Brock/Venom interpretation.
Excellent news.
I'm trying to find the post where I called it - but I called it
But...
Would Love a Toby McGuire/Andrew Garfield/Tom Holland multiverse movie.
Rather than just Spider-Man and Venom
So same as before, one Sony/Spider-Man solo movie for every one Marvel/Avengers movie.
But...
So one Sony/Spider-Man, one Marvel/Avengers, one Sony-Multiverse movie.
Would Love a Toby McGuire/Andrew Garfield/Tom Holland multiverse movie.
Rather than just Spider-Man and Venom