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Because it over turns a refs subjective call. Seriously.
It doesn't have to overturn the ref if they tell the ref to check a replay and he then decides it's a pen/
Because an offside even if by a few mms is objective, no two ways about it. Whereas any penalty call will have a subjective element to it where they have to defer to the onfield referee.
I know that which is why I said it's obvious that's all it's for. It's not meant to be all it's for though which is why I said why aren't they told to watch replays so the ref can make a more informed decision.

You are not overruling the ref if you tell him to watch a replay like ALL the other VAR leagues do, the ref can still decide no pen after seeing what we have seen and then we at least know that VAR worked but the ref is just shit/bent. VAR clearly didn't work there and we don't know if the ref seen the foot stomp as a result.
 

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It doesn't have to overturn the ref if they tell the ref to check a replay and he then decides it's a pen/


I know that which is why I said it's obvious that's all it's for. It's not meant to be all it's for though which is why I said why aren't they told to watch replays so the ref can make a more informed decision.

You are not overruling the ref if you tell him to watch a replay like ALL the other VAR leagues do, the ref can still decide no pen after seeing what we have seen and then we at least know that VAR worked but the ref is just shit/bent. VAR clearly didn't work there and we don't know if the ref seen the foot stomp as a result.
They don't want the TV's at the side of the pitch and this is where it is falling down.
 

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It annoys me when journos and pundits moan about VAR, but never acknowledge it is the operators/referees using it.
No no no. VAR has an inherent flaw then- so of course you can blame the system as it’s not suitable for football. It’s another ref looking at a replay- that’s it. Won’t get quicker & won’t get less inconsistent from game to game unless you use the same ref for every premier league game.

So enough of this ‘ technology is great just people using it ‘ rubbish .
 

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They don't want the TV's at the side of the pitch and this is where it is falling down.
Seriously!? well they haven't got VAR then, that is half of the system. No wonder it doesn't work properly, they didn't order all of the bits haha.
 

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It doesn't have to overturn the ref if they tell the ref to check a replay and he then decides it's a pen/
Which I would agree with but they got rid of this completely and don't want refs looking like in Europe or world cup
 

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No no no. VAR has an inherent flaw then- so of course you can blame the system as it’s not suitable for football. It’s another ref looking at a replay- that’s it. Won’t get quicker & won’t get less inconsistent from game to game unless you use the same ref for every premier league game.

So enough of this ‘ technology is great just people using it ‘ rubbish .
Then train people up to use VAR and how to deploy the rules of the game. People who are independent, not professional referees.
 

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No no no. VAR has an inherent flaw then- so of course you can blame the system as it’s not suitable for football. It’s another ref looking at a replay- that’s it. Won’t get quicker & won’t get less inconsistent from game to game unless you use the same ref for every premier league game.

So enough of this ‘ technology is great just people using it ‘ rubbish .
"Enough of this " ? You're dictating terms now?
 

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It’s another ref looking at a replay- that’s it.
:lol:

What did you expect exactly? Who said it was anything other than that?

If implemented properly, another ref looking at replays would take away majority of bad decisions which is big improvement on what we had so far.
 

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"Enough of this " ? You're dictating terms now?
Do you want to put an argument to my point rather than writing that?

VAR will never be consistent as it’s just another ref looking at a replay. So unless you use the same ref for every premier league game you’ll always have inconsistencies.

Am I wrong?
 

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It doesn't have to overturn the ref if they tell the ref to check a replay and he then decides it's a pen/


I know that which is why I said it's obvious that's all it's for. It's not meant to be all it's for though which is why I said why aren't they told to watch replays so the ref can make a more informed decision.

You are not overruling the ref if you tell him to watch a replay like ALL the other VAR leagues do, the ref can still decide no pen after seeing what we have seen and then we at least know that VAR worked but the ref is just shit/bent. VAR clearly didn't work there and we don't know if the ref seen the foot stomp as a result.
The ref scurrying over to the sideline to watch a replay would take too long which I why I think its not been implemented. Guess their reasoning is that ref mistakes used to happen earlier, at least with this haf baked VAR, errors leading to goals will be avoided.
 

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Do you want to put an argument to my point rather than writing that?

VAR will never be consistent as it’s just another ref looking at a replay. So unless you use the same ref for every premier league game you’ll always have inconsistencies.

Am I wrong?
VAR is a replay, you're barking at the wrong tree bro. Shit referees will always protect themselves, I have no problem separating the 2 issues.
Edit: besides it's here to stay for a little while (as long as that corrupt bald cnut heads FIFA anyway) so better hope for the referees to improve on it.
 

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:lol:

What did you expect exactly? Who said it was anything other than that?

If implemented properly, another ref looking at replays would take away majority of bad decisions which is big improvement on what we had so far.
Well I always knew it was that but I think some thought it was some ultra sophisticated technology. It’s not.

‘ if implemented properly ‘ proves the system isn’t that good to begin with.

And no it really wasn’t that bad before. At all. Even those who like var say we were at 95% correct decisions before so your memory must be hazy
 

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Well I always knew it was that but I think some thought it was some ultra sophisticated technology. It’s not.

‘ if implemented properly ‘ proves the system isn’t that good to begin with.

And no it really wasn’t that bad before. At all. Even those who like var say we were at 95% correct decisions before so your memory must be hazy
For some reason I highly doubt that 95% is an accurate number. With so many decisions open to interpretation, referees getting calls close to perfection in each game on average is pure delusion
 

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Well I always knew it was that but I think some thought it was some ultra sophisticated technology. It’s not.

‘ if implemented properly ‘ proves the system isn’t that good to begin with.

And no it really wasn’t that bad before. At all. Even those who like var say we were at 95% correct decisions before so your memory must be hazy
What kind sophisticated technology, who thought that :lol:

If implemented properly, it's really not out of this world task just to ask them to implement it properly. You saw penapty on Silva today, only insane persin wouldn't get penalty for that, and the ref missed it. However, on VAR it was showed that it was the most obvious penalty ever and yet they decided to not give it, so what exactly is technology there to blame? They simply refused to overturn referee's decision even though the penalty was quite clear. If someone was fined after this game for not showing penalty for that I am sure we would see an imprement from that set of referees in the next game.
 

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What kind sophisticated technology, who thought that :lol:

If implemented properly, it's really not out of this world task just to ask them to implement it properly. You saw penapty on Silva today, only insane persin wouldn't get penalty for that, and the ref missed it. However, on VAR it was showed that it was the most obvious penalty ever and yet they decided to not give it, so what exactly is technology there to blame? They simply refused to overturn referee's decision even though the penalty was quite clear. If someone was fined after this game for not showing penalty for that I am sure we would see an imprement from that set of referees in the next game.
Again every one loves to make excuses for VAR ‘ give it time- it’ll get better honest!’ ‘ it’s not VAR it’s the ref to blame’

If the system needs too many things to be working for it to work then it isn’t a good system.

And you will ALWAYS get inconsistencies game to game as it’ll be another VAR ref looking at the replays. It’s a system which just isn’t ever going to work
 

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If the system needs too many things to be working
It's not the system that needs to be working, it's just VAR room referees that need to be objective and stop defending his collegue on the pitch. They just need to implement football rules as they are and everything will be alright.
 

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Question for you caftards. Why do the various broadcasters love to give us replays on fouls/tackles and not piece of skills/outrageous controls/etc ?
 

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It's crazy how bad some of the midfields are at big clubs. United's is unbalanced and we have a distinctly average player playing every week, Spurs have Winks and Sissoko who are also distinctly average as starters, Arsenal have some incredibly average starters in there as well... Chelsea's is poorly balanced but they at least have good options there. City of course have a quality midfield, while at Liverpool Fabinho is quality with Keita as the potential to be quality, but the rest are all just functional players. Personally think if we signed a top holding midfielder we would see a crazy change.
 

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It's not the system that needs to be working, it's just VAR room referees that need to be objective and stop defending his collegue on the pitch. They just need to implement football rules as they are and everything will be alright.
Well that’s the system not working
 

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It's crazy how bad some of the midfields are at big clubs. United's is unbalanced and we have a distinctly average player playing every week, Spurs have Winks and Sissoko who are also distinctly average as starters, Arsenal have some incredibly average starters in there as well... Chelsea's is poorly balanced but they at least have good options there. City of course have a quality midfield, while at Liverpool Fabinho is quality with Keita as the potential to be quality, but the rest are all just functional players. Personally think if we signed a top holding midfielder we would see a crazy change.
Been crying for one this summer. Problem is we might sign couple next summer but then Pogba would leave means we are back to square one.